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Post by stokedan on Mar 15, 2023 21:53:30 GMT
😂Bayern you are so boring. You know your shit but it’s so tedious that you can never back down even an inch. You claim to love debating about football but you don’t really, all you do is dictate an opinion. Maybe just once we’ll hear you say “oh yeah you have a point…” Never gonna happen is it? 😂
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 15, 2023 21:55:09 GMT
Come on Bayern. That’s the point of a DM, to cover those areas. Not to that extent though. And as happened last night when he didn’t, it exposed Tuanzebe who was then booked for covering for his awol right back. Contrast to how well Sterling gets back when he goes forward. He just glides back and recovers the situation. Hoever has had two good games going forward and that’s it. Sterling has been class all season (when fit).
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 15, 2023 21:56:28 GMT
😂Bayern you are so boring. You know your shit but it’s so tedious that you can never back down even an inch. You claim to love debating about football but you don’t really, all you do is dictate an opinion. Maybe just once we’ll hear you say “oh yeah you have a point…” Never gonna happen 😂 Hoever has had two good games going forward and people are wanking him off. I just think it’s a bit laughable. He’s been much better than expected but the reaction is ott nonsense as expected.
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Post by stokedan on Mar 15, 2023 22:01:41 GMT
Ok it was a broader comment regarding your posts to be fair. I certainly can’t be arsed to attempt to argue with you. As I say, I like much of what you post but it must be amazing to never doubt yourself. Ever 😂
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 15, 2023 22:05:59 GMT
Ok it was a broader comment regarding your posts to be fair. I certainly can’t be arsed to attempt to argue with you. As I say, I like much of what you post but it must be amazing to never doubt yourself. Ever 😂 Why would you ever doubt yourself over such inane stuff?
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Post by riproaringagain on Mar 15, 2023 22:07:27 GMT
😂Bayern you are so boring. You know your shit but it’s so tedious that you can never back down even an inch. You claim to love debating about football but you don’t really, all you do is dictate an opinion. Maybe just once we’ll hear you say “oh yeah you have a point…” Never gonna happen 😂 Hoever has had two good games going forward and people are wanking him off. I just think it’s a bit laughable. He’s been much better than expected but the reaction is ott nonsense as expected. You also got take into consideration this kid is 21 and with sold to wolves for large fee and then not really lived up to his fee. Moved out to his 3rd club in a season cut the boy a bit slack, could be a serious footballer in future
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Mar 15, 2023 22:10:17 GMT
Exactly, he allows us to play an expansive style but Bayern would prefer it if he stayed in his box and was trained to be a better defender or even better, fucked off I’d rather the better right back played right back. Ok I’ll leave it at that and let you deal with the other posters.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 15, 2023 22:28:27 GMT
Hoever has had two good games going forward and people are wanking him off. I just think it’s a bit laughable. He’s been much better than expected but the reaction is ott nonsense as expected. You also got take into consideration this kid is 21 and with sold to wolves for large fee and then not really lived up to his fee. Moved out to his 3rd club in a season cut the boy a bit slack, could be a serious footballer in future No need for cutting slack tbh. He’s meant to be a PL quality full back and can’t really defend.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 15, 2023 22:29:07 GMT
I’d rather the better right back played right back. Ok I’ll leave it at that and let you deal with the other posters. Sterling is much better, you don’t agree?
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Post by riproaringagain on Mar 15, 2023 22:48:21 GMT
You also got take into consideration this kid is 21 and with sold to wolves for large fee and then not really lived up to his fee. Moved out to his 3rd club in a season cut the boy a bit slack, could be a serious footballer in future No need for cutting slack tbh. He’s meant to be a PL quality full back and can’t really defend. He’s not played much football either 5 apps for PSV I think, Alex Neil keeps on about Pearson not playing much for Bournemouth giving him time to get fit and ready
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 15, 2023 22:53:19 GMT
No need for cutting slack tbh. He’s meant to be a PL quality full back and can’t really defend. He’s not played much football either 5 apps for PSV I think, Alex Neil keeps on about Pearson not playing much for Bournemouth giving him time to get fit and ready And he’s come in and cracked on. Tbf to Hoever he has been better than expected but needs a lot of coaching.
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Post by riproaringagain on Mar 15, 2023 23:03:52 GMT
He’s raw, I will give you that, a breath of fresh air for me a full back who attacks and gets into exciting and attacking positions
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 15, 2023 23:07:15 GMT
He’s raw, I will give you that, a breath of fresh air for me a full back who attacks and gets into exciting and attacking positions But he can’t defend. Sterling is the far superior player. He’s available on a free. Better defender by a mile. Good going forward. And a Rolls Royce of a player. If Hoever was free I’d be inclined to sign him too but anything over a million is too much with what we’ve seen so far which is an inconsistent player. I actually like Hoever but I just think people are going way ott based on 3 goals. Ie something you shouldn’t be judging a full back on really.
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Post by thepottypotter on Mar 15, 2023 23:29:03 GMT
He’s raw, I will give you that, a breath of fresh air for me a full back who attacks and gets into exciting and attacking positions But he can’t defend. Sterling is the far superior player. He’s available on a free. Better defender by a mile. Good going forward. And a Rolls Royce of a player. If Hoever was free I’d be inclined to sign him too but anything over a million is too much with what we’ve seen so far which is an inconsistent player. I actually like Hoever but I just think people are going way ott based on 3 goals. Ie something you shouldn’t be judging a full back on really. Hoever is a good technical player. He is a breath of fresh air to both have an attacking full back but also someone on the pitch with sharpness and an ability to finish. He is one of the players I am most confident in to take his chances when he gets them! He needs coaching on his defensive abilities but I trust AN to improve this side of his game if he sticks around.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 15, 2023 23:35:19 GMT
But he can’t defend. Sterling is the far superior player. He’s available on a free. Better defender by a mile. Good going forward. And a Rolls Royce of a player. If Hoever was free I’d be inclined to sign him too but anything over a million is too much with what we’ve seen so far which is an inconsistent player. I actually like Hoever but I just think people are going way ott based on 3 goals. Ie something you shouldn’t be judging a full back on really. Hoever is a good technical player. He is a breath of fresh air to both have an attacking full back but also someone on the pitch with sharpness and an ability to finish. He is one of the players I am most confident in to take his chances when he gets them! He needs coaching on his defensive abilities but I trust AN to improve this side of his game if he sticks around. Just seems a better solution to sign a left back tbh.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Mar 16, 2023 8:07:14 GMT
He’s raw, I will give you that, a breath of fresh air for me a full back who attacks and gets into exciting and attacking positions But he can’t defend. Sterling is the far superior player. He’s available on a free. Better defender by a mile. Good going forward. And a Rolls Royce of a player. If Hoever was free I’d be inclined to sign him too but anything over a million is too much with what we’ve seen so far which is an inconsistent player. I actually like Hoever but I just think people are going way ott based on 3 goals. Ie something you shouldn’t be judging a full back on really. This is the thing that you don’t seem to be able to get your head around FB’s very much should be judged on scoring and creating scoring opportunities. They’re not simply wide defenders where have you been for the last couple of decades. Also you keep saying Sterling is good going forward, I’ve already asked you without answer so I’ll ask you again where is your hard data to back up that view. Liking the look of a player is not output yet you dismiss actual output as ott.
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Post by mcw on Mar 17, 2023 13:55:13 GMT
Risk and reward isn't it. We either have a full back that sits in and defends so as to never be out of position, or we task our full backs to get up and down to provide an attacking outlet with the proviso that the rest of the team are aware of this and are filling in the gaps if an attack breaks down with the full backs up the pitch. Plus you can only adopt that risk and reward approach with quick and athletic full backs who can recover quickly to help out if the ball gets turned over. Pearson's job defensively is to spot the gaps, step in to either win the wall back or slow down their counter-attack and allow recovery into shape for the rest of the team. In my mind that worked perfectly against Middlesborough and as such highlighting one defender as being out of position is nonsense, the team defends as a unit.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Mar 18, 2023 9:04:19 GMT
But he can’t defend. Sterling is the far superior player. He’s available on a free. Better defender by a mile. Good going forward. And a Rolls Royce of a player. If Hoever was free I’d be inclined to sign him too but anything over a million is too much with what we’ve seen so far which is an inconsistent player. I actually like Hoever but I just think people are going way ott based on 3 goals. Ie something you shouldn’t be judging a full back on really. This is the thing that you don’t seem to be able to get your head around FB’s very much should be judged on scoring and creating scoring opportunities. They’re not simply wide defenders where have you been for the last couple of decades. Also you keep saying Sterling is good going forward, I’ve already asked you without answer so I’ll ask you again where is your hard data to back up that view. Liking the look of a player is not output yet you dismiss actual output as ott. It depends on how you setup. Some teams setup to counter attack - the fullbacks are there to defend and rarely move up the pitch. It's a low risk approach but it can be very effective. Some teams use their fullbacks to attack - Liverpool are a prime example. When it works it's brilliant but it's high risk, really hard to pull off and can easily go wrong. You might prefer the latter approach but you can't say all fullbacks should be judged on their attacking contribution - that just isn't true. In fact most teams don't have uber attacking fullbacks because it's really hard to do and there aren't many out there good enough to pull it off - most fullbacks are primarily defenders who might make the occasional attacking contribution and get judged on the ability to defend and any attacking contribution seen as a bonus.
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Mar 18, 2023 9:57:47 GMT
We won’t be able to sign both. We need a left back and that can’t be Sterling. I also think he’s the most likely to join because of his contract situation. Hats off to him for coping on his wrong side although he struggled early doors against Boro. Out of the door I’d love him to come in.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Mar 18, 2023 10:08:06 GMT
This is the thing that you don’t seem to be able to get your head around FB’s very much should be judged on scoring and creating scoring opportunities. They’re not simply wide defenders where have you been for the last couple of decades. Also you keep saying Sterling is good going forward, I’ve already asked you without answer so I’ll ask you again where is your hard data to back up that view. Liking the look of a player is not output yet you dismiss actual output as ott. It depends on how you setup. Some teams setup to counter attack - the fullbacks are there to defend and rarely move up the pitch. It's a low risk approach but it can be very effective. Some teams use their fullbacks to attack - Liverpool are a prime example. When it works it's brilliant but it's high risk, really hard to pull off and can easily go wrong. You might prefer the latter approach but you can't say all fullbacks should be judged on their attacking contribution - that just isn't true. In fact most teams don't have uber attacking fullbacks because it's really hard to do and there aren't many out there good enough to pull it off - most fullbacks are primarily defenders who might make the occasional attacking contribution and get judged on the ability to defend and any attacking contribution seen as a bonus. I completely disagree I think most teams have FB's that have good attacking attributes and would not consider very capable defenders who have non for the role(Fox). In fact if you removed the word uber which hadn't been mentioned previously I don't think you could be more wrong. Seeing a FB soley as a wide defender simply hasn't been a thing for a hell of a lot of years apart from the odd outlier manager/coach like Pulis for example.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2023 10:08:29 GMT
Sign both!
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Mar 18, 2023 10:10:57 GMT
If it's possible and financially reasonable I can't think of any reason not to. Both really good athletes that have shown they can make AN's tactics work well.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Mar 18, 2023 10:31:57 GMT
It depends on how you setup. Some teams setup to counter attack - the fullbacks are there to defend and rarely move up the pitch. It's a low risk approach but it can be very effective. Some teams use their fullbacks to attack - Liverpool are a prime example. When it works it's brilliant but it's high risk, really hard to pull off and can easily go wrong. You might prefer the latter approach but you can't say all fullbacks should be judged on their attacking contribution - that just isn't true. In fact most teams don't have uber attacking fullbacks because it's really hard to do and there aren't many out there good enough to pull it off - most fullbacks are primarily defenders who might make the occasional attacking contribution and get judged on the ability to defend and any attacking contribution seen as a bonus. I completely disagree I think most teams have FB's that have good attacking attributes and would not consider very capable defenders who have non for the role(Fox). In fact if you removed the word uber which hadn't been mentioned previously I don't think you could be more wrong. Seeing a FB soley as a wide defender simply hasn't been a thing for a hell of a lot of years apart from the odd outlier manager/coach like Pulis for example. Most teams play with fullbacks who are primarily defenders. The distinction I would make: Fox - defensive fullback Sterling - attacking fullback Hoever - uber attacking fullback Most teams have a Fox/Sterling. Not many have one that plays like Hoever.
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Post by nonameface on Mar 18, 2023 10:34:25 GMT
If it's possible and financially reasonable I can't think of any reason not to. Both really good athletes that have shown they can make AN's tactics work well. Wolves would have to make a big loss on Hoever and to pay off his contract as we are too restricted by FFP to do it. Perhaps another loan may suit all parties. Sterling should see us with Neil as a great chance of becoming a top end championship player or to get into the premier league as a regular 🤞.
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Post by a on Mar 18, 2023 14:13:21 GMT
He’s raw, I will give you that, a breath of fresh air for me a full back who attacks and gets into exciting and attacking positions But he can’t defend. Sterling is the far superior player. He’s available on a free. Better defender by a mile. Good going forward. And a Rolls Royce of a player. If Hoever was free I’d be inclined to sign him too but anything over a million is too much with what we’ve seen so far which is an inconsistent player. I actually like Hoever but I just think people are going way ott based on 3 goals. Ie something you shouldn’t be judging a full back on really. The irony of you claiming people are going OTT. You went far further based on 10 minutes of Lowe 😂 Hypocrite of the highest order 😆
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Mar 18, 2023 18:57:03 GMT
I completely disagree I think most teams have FB's that have good attacking attributes and would not consider very capable defenders who have non for the role(Fox). In fact if you removed the word uber which hadn't been mentioned previously I don't think you could be more wrong. Seeing a FB soley as a wide defender simply hasn't been a thing for a hell of a lot of years apart from the odd outlier manager/coach like Pulis for example. Most teams play with fullbacks who are primarily defenders. The distinction I would make: Fox - defensive fullback Sterling - attacking fullback Hoever - uber attacking fullback Most teams have a Fox/Sterling. Not many have one that plays like Hoever. I don't agree with that at all. Very few teams play with FB's as limited in attacking attributes as Fox. I don't consider Sterling to be a particularly attacking FB, there's certainly a fairly disappointing output in terms of his attacking play. I think Hoever is just a perfectly normal attacking FB in terms of the level of ambition of his play however having seen him play a different role today some of his technique is superb, that volleyed cross he put in was unbelievably difficult to execute I was disappointed when AN decided to replace him.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Mar 18, 2023 20:04:03 GMT
Ok it was a broader comment regarding your posts to be fair. I certainly can’t be arsed to attempt to argue with you. As I say, I like much of what you post but it must be amazing to never doubt yourself. Ever 😂 Why would you ever doubt yourself over such inane stuff? So inane you post more than anyone else? Love it when u pretend its not important. Come on bayern you have made the oatcake central to your life. Probably more than actually watching Stoke. You probably need to read some troll responses on here to get a boner before sex.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 18, 2023 20:19:27 GMT
Why would you ever doubt yourself over such inane stuff? So inane you post more than anyone else? Love it when u pretend its not important. Come on bayern you have made the oatcake central to your life. Probably more than actually watching Stoke. You probably need to read some troll responses on here to get a boner before sex. Have you heard yourself 🤣
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Post by pushon on Mar 18, 2023 21:15:01 GMT
So inane you post more than anyone else? Love it when u pretend its not important. Come on bayern you have made the oatcake central to your life. Probably more than actually watching Stoke. You probably need to read some troll responses on here to get a boner before sex. Have you heard yourself 🤣 Hmm..He can be a bit cheeky, can't he😉
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 18, 2023 22:04:00 GMT
Have you heard yourself 🤣 Hmm..He can be a bit cheeky, can't he😉 It’s just weird.
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