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Post by albundy on Feb 10, 2023 14:18:10 GMT
Get behind the team regardless, as AN said no team ever performs better when they get jeered or booed. Gouranga. Worked well enough at Sheffield recently. The 2nd half performance was much better than the 1st
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Post by LGH87 on Feb 10, 2023 14:23:54 GMT
we've won about 6 home games in 14 months, is it any surprise? Not that I was noisy anyway but I must have missed about half of those. When I go(every single home game when I'm not in Spain) we normally lose 0-1 to some absolutley rubbish team. Pre Reading I can't remember the last time I saw us win comfortably. Probably Hull when Allen did his achilles. It's mainly just boring scared football, too scared of losing, too scared of being to blame to provide any entertainment, joy or feel good factor. Bang on, nobody tries to do anything a bit different, no through balls or skill. Instead we get tepid scared passing that ends up in us giving it away cheaply anyway so they may as well try and be bold and brave on the ball
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Post by wearepremierleague on Feb 10, 2023 15:05:24 GMT
As soon as I see we’re playing 5 at the back again I completely give up.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Feb 10, 2023 15:07:41 GMT
Not that I was noisy anyway but I must have missed about half of those. When I go(every single home game when I'm not in Spain) we normally lose 0-1 to some absolutley rubbish team. Pre Reading I can't remember the last time I saw us win comfortably. Probably Hull when Allen did his achilles. It's mainly just boring scared football, too scared of losing, too scared of being to blame to provide any entertainment, joy or feel good factor. Bang on, nobody tries to do anything a bit different, no through balls or skill. Instead we get tepid scared passing that ends up in us giving it away cheaply anyway so they may as well try and be bold and brave on the ball Either that or lofted balls at players we know don't win headers. Keep doing the same things and expecting different outcomes.
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Post by dirtclod on Feb 10, 2023 15:22:16 GMT
The 12th man? Didn't he put in a transfer-request to some international club like Hull? The team needs to be consistently competitive in matches, plain and simple. Before, I'd have settled for effort/determination win or lose. Screw that now, we need wins any way we can get them.
FFS gut it up, make it to the summer in THIS league, then go for our 47th rebuild and this time at least get a couple of players right.
We can do any number of positive things at the club and amongst the fans, but we cannot play the games. We do not dictate the lineups or the roster. We do not dictate the strategy, whether it be gutsy or gutless. We do not dictate the quality of play.
No the 12th man hasn't gone anywhere, but he's on the treatment table at the moment with a strained "giveatoss." No date yet as to when he'll be on the grass.
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Post by Clayton Wood on Feb 10, 2023 15:37:40 GMT
When AN arrived he said 'he got it' that after years of decline and poor fare it was up to him and the players to give the fans something to get behind.
A couple of weeks back he got out the begging bowl and pleaded for an atmosphere to lift the team. Nobody plays better when they are booed, time. It took him 5 months (not 5 years+ like the rest of us have been subject to) to realise the shite dished up would send a glass eye to sleep. Physician heal thyself.
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Post by a on Feb 10, 2023 15:42:00 GMT
Just looking through some pics and one of them from our Wembley trip has a huge banner with "The 12th Man Loud and Proud" emblazoned on it. I get we've slipped and are struggling somewhat but our home crowd is almost silent, there are arguments almost coming to blows amongst the home supporters with people leaving earlier. What if anything can be done to get some semblance of the 12th man back and maybe lift the team as well? Gouranga. It’s very chicken and egg. Some folk say we need to lift the team, others say the team needs to excite the fans. Solve one and it will certainly help the other imo.
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Post by st3mark on Feb 10, 2023 16:21:28 GMT
I've missed a handful of home games since the late 90s and I've never experienced an atmosphere as shit and quiet as we have produced over the last 5 years.
I find it a chore to even attend some games at the moment. It's loyalty that keeps me going. We have lost that many games at home the last couple of years that when a friend of mine said to me "nobody worries about coming here anymore" I said "they do, fucking me for a start" because watching this team has been THAT daunting at home.
I have always been a loud supporter, singing songs and appealing for every decision just on the off chance we get the throw or the free kick we don't deserve but these days I can't muster it.
We have had one of the best squads in the league every season since we have been back down and they have majorly underperformed every time. It's nothing to do with their ability because they occasionally show its there, they are quite simply shithouses. It is their lack of desire that has affected my singing voice.
Another aspect in my opinion is the decade we had a decade in the prem. A lot changes in that time, plenty of people die and plenty change from being fit and able to go to being past it. The same cycle of life has seen that support replenished with a generation of supporters who had only ever seen the prem. I know a couple of lads in their early twenties and their first two away games were the two Wembley trips under TP. My first away day was Wrexham. I earned that Wembley trip and felt like I'd pushed us there every step of the way if that makes sense.
A spoilt generation of stoke fan basically formed.
Those same lads have often made comments to me suggesting that Crouch and walters were hopeless and I just think they have never lived in the real football world. When you've grown up anywhere between the years of John gayle and Riki Dadason I thought I'd won the lottery even with Akinbiyi nevermind crouch and super jon - watching Crouch and Walters was like a footballing privilege to me. The point being a large portion of the crowd think they are too good for this league and are not used to players this shit so they can't be arsed to get behind them.
For me I would happily swap this entire squad for some 100% effort players who are proud to represent the club.
Another interesting point a friend made to me recently when I asked them why they had stopped attending the match. He explained to me that he had been addicted to going stoke for 30 years and I can confirm that he truly was, but now that he felt he has seen the best that the club could ever reasonably achieve it has taken all the buzz away for him. He feels like he has maxed out so to speak.
All his dreams were completed with top flight football, cup finals, European tours, record breaking signings. He basically feels like he's completed it mate.
I don't know if many people feel the same way as him but I sort of get it.
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Feb 10, 2023 16:27:02 GMT
Is the never ending argument of "Get behind the team no matter what" versus "I pay my money it's up to them to get the crowd going" now somehow worthy of a completely new thead saying exactly the same things every bloody week??
Jesus hates Christ!
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Post by bagnallboothen on Feb 10, 2023 16:34:16 GMT
If you'd watched the Luton game last weekend you'd very easily find your answer.
I have never seen so much shit in all my life, both sides were absolutely pathetic.
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Post by banksy1art on Feb 10, 2023 16:34:59 GMT
Need a new standing area with about 4-5000 fans, quicker and cheaper beer , a fan zone (Not based around kids and toddlers) , fan displays before kickoff and grit and determination from the team
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Post by Gods on Feb 10, 2023 16:43:54 GMT
He caught the last train for the coast The day the music died
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Post by bridgnorthstokie on Feb 10, 2023 17:27:03 GMT
I understand and in some way agree that the teams performances over the last 4 or 5 seasons have not inspired the crowd at all..
But I do think the split in the fanbase is also a large part of the decline in atmosphere.
For years the boothen was united as the focal point of our atmosphere...then things changed..some prefer to the south stand and they create their own atmosphere.. block 19 seemed to want to be the new heartbeat of the boothen and often didn't join in with the main number of boothens singing. Alot of boothen members didn't want to join in with block 19 as they felt the speed of songs was just too fast and too clappy. Also nobody wanted to be a part of the ridiculous ira songs that kept being sung..
Overall our desire to do our own thing and be our own boss has brought about a decline in our combined efforts to create an atmosphere...
Hopefully a standing section in a central location can unite the crowd again and take the lead in creating an improved atmosphere....if others allow themselves to be part of a combined group and not want to do their own thing..
United strength is stronger.
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Post by theoptimist on Feb 10, 2023 17:32:44 GMT
I'm still trying to get my head round what has happened to the other eleven!
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Feb 10, 2023 17:46:04 GMT
I think there are 2 sides to this. The team haven't performed and the football on the whole hasn't been that exciting so it is understandable the crowd isn't responding. However our fans aren't the same as we were before promotion to the Premier League.
We'd been shit for years, the First Division was a distant memory and the Premier League was a pipe dream. When we did looked like getting promoted things got exciting and that first two or three years it was backs against the wall stuff - everyone expected us to go down so the fans got behind the team because the team were giving their all to stay up.
Then we went Premier League. When we went down there was an expectation we'd go straight back up. Performances that would have been applauded (or at least tolerated) under Pulis became an abomination under successive managers. Expectations - rightly or wrongly just aren't the same.
If we go up in the next few seasons I don't think the 12th man will be there - the expectation will be that we should stay up. I think the old 12th man will only come back if we go really shit again and expectations disappear or it takes so long to go back up that the Premier League generation die off or forget it ever happened.
I'm not blaming the fans - the same happens at every club who go through this cycle. It's the footballing equivalent of long covid. Or herpes. At least catching herpes was fun at the time.
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Feb 10, 2023 17:46:43 GMT
It’s weekly have a pop at the fans time already is it?
Fuck me that’s come round quick.
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Post by thevoid on Feb 10, 2023 17:55:29 GMT
He fell asleep.
Plus it's 12th 'person' now 😉
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Post by thevoid on Feb 10, 2023 17:58:16 GMT
Get behind the team regardless, as AN said no team ever performs better when they get jeered or booed. Gouranga. Most people aren't happy clapping drones and react to what's unfolding on the pitch
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Feb 10, 2023 17:58:33 GMT
The 12th man? He’s wank!
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Post by stokecitytalke on Feb 10, 2023 18:09:26 GMT
I've missed a handful of home games since the late 90s and I've never experienced an atmosphere as shit and quiet as we have produced over the last 5 years. I find it a chore to even attend some games at the moment. It's loyalty that keeps me going. We have lost that many games at home the last couple of years that when a friend of mine said to me "nobody worries about coming here anymore" I said "they do, fucking me for a start" because watching this team has been THAT daunting at home. I have always been a loud supporter, singing songs and appealing for every decision just on the off chance we get the throw or the free kick we don't deserve but these days I can't muster it. We have had one of the best squads in the league every season since we have been back down and they have majorly underperformed every time. It's nothing to do with their ability because they occasionally show its there, they are quite simply shithouses. It is their lack of desire that has affected my singing voice. Another aspect in my opinion is the decade we had a decade in the prem. A lot changes in that time, plenty of people die and plenty change from being fit and able to go to being past it. The same cycle of life has seen that support replenished with a generation of supporters who had only ever seen the prem. I know a couple of lads in their early twenties and their first two away games were the two Wembley trips under TP. My first away day was Wrexham. I earned that Wembley trip and felt like I'd pushed us there every step of the way if that makes sense. A spoilt generation of stoke fan basically formed. Those same lads have often made comments to me suggesting that Crouch and walters were hopeless and I just think they have never lived in the real football world. When you've grown up anywhere between the years of John gayle and Riki Dadason I thought I'd won the lottery even with Akinbiyi nevermind crouch and super jon - watching Crouch and Walters was like a footballing privilege to me. The point being a large portion of the crowd think they are too good for this league and are not used to players this shit so they can't be arsed to get behind them. For me I would happily swap this entire squad for some 100% effort players who are proud to represent the club. Another interesting point a friend made to me recently when I asked them why they had stopped attending the match. He explained to me that he had been addicted to going stoke for 30 years and I can confirm that he truly was, but now that he felt he has seen the best that the club could ever reasonably achieve it has taken all the buzz away for him. He feels like he has maxed out so to speak. All his dreams were completed with top flight football, cup finals, European tours, record breaking signings. He basically feels like he's completed it mate. I don't know if many people feel the same way as him but I sort of get it. Is that you Ted? 😉
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Post by palerider on Feb 10, 2023 18:24:00 GMT
This group of players can’t be arsed,so the 12th man said fuck it neither can I
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Post by danceswithclams on Feb 10, 2023 18:51:40 GMT
Not this tedious, ill-informed shit again.
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Post by Davef on Feb 10, 2023 18:58:57 GMT
Not this tedious, ill-informed shit again. The 12th Man never supported World of Twist then?
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Post by stokecitytalke on Feb 10, 2023 22:08:28 GMT
Not this tedious, ill-informed shit again. The 12th Man never supported World of Twist then? I think they were due to support them but their drummer died in a bizarre gardening accident.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Feb 10, 2023 22:19:08 GMT
Excitement. It’s completely evaporated over the last so many years. I still remember that air of anticipation, that rush of adrenaline when players like Ricardo Fuller got the ball or when Ethers ran down the wing. That buzz when Arnie outmuscled the opposition or that crunching tackle from Huth. I look at us now and think, did those days really happen. It’s all about excitement, belief in your team. Intensity and purpose. When that starts to return that 12th man will respond in kind. It’s a long way off yet, sadly. Albert ⬆️
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Post by Ron on Feb 10, 2023 22:23:43 GMT
I've missed a handful of home games since the late 90s and I've never experienced an atmosphere as shit and quiet as we have produced over the last 5 years. I find it a chore to even attend some games at the moment. It's loyalty that keeps me going. We have lost that many games at home the last couple of years that when a friend of mine said to me "nobody worries about coming here anymore" I said "they do, fucking me for a start" because watching this team has been THAT daunting at home. I have always been a loud supporter, singing songs and appealing for every decision just on the off chance we get the throw or the free kick we don't deserve but these days I can't muster it. We have had one of the best squads in the league every season since we have been back down and they have majorly underperformed every time. It's nothing to do with their ability because they occasionally show its there, they are quite simply shithouses. It is their lack of desire that has affected my singing voice. Another aspect in my opinion is the decade we had a decade in the prem. A lot changes in that time, plenty of people die and plenty change from being fit and able to go to being past it. The same cycle of life has seen that support replenished with a generation of supporters who had only ever seen the prem. I know a couple of lads in their early twenties and their first two away games were the two Wembley trips under TP. My first away day was Wrexham. I earned that Wembley trip and felt like I'd pushed us there every step of the way if that makes sense. A spoilt generation of stoke fan basically formed. Those same lads have often made comments to me suggesting that Crouch and walters were hopeless and I just think they have never lived in the real football world. When you've grown up anywhere between the years of John gayle and Riki Dadason I thought I'd won the lottery even with Akinbiyi nevermind crouch and super jon - watching Crouch and Walters was like a footballing privilege to me. The point being a large portion of the crowd think they are too good for this league and are not used to players this shit so they can't be arsed to get behind them. For me I would happily swap this entire squad for some 100% effort players who are proud to represent the club. Another interesting point a friend made to me recently when I asked them why they had stopped attending the match. He explained to me that he had been addicted to going stoke for 30 years and I can confirm that he truly was, but now that he felt he has seen the best that the club could ever reasonably achieve it has taken all the buzz away for him. He feels like he has maxed out so to speak. All his dreams were completed with top flight football, cup finals, European tours, record breaking signings. He basically feels like he's completed it mate. I don't know if many people feel the same way as him but I sort of get it. one of the best posts I’ve seen on here for some considerable time.
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Post by chigstoke on Feb 10, 2023 22:25:06 GMT
The 12th Man never supported World of Twist then? I think they were due to support them but their drummer died in a bizarre gardening accident. Wasn't Brian May was it? He needs to stick to guitar.
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Post by marylandstoke on Feb 10, 2023 22:26:58 GMT
Not this tedious, ill-informed shit again. The 12th Man never supported World of Twist then? They were due to but split over ‘musical differences’ when the band vetoed playing the song the bass player wrote called ‘Ive got a codpiece bigger then a Cortina’ Simpler times, I must say.
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Post by franklin on Feb 10, 2023 22:50:13 GMT
He fucked off the day Lambert arrived.
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Post by lordherefordsknob on Feb 11, 2023 9:27:08 GMT
I've missed a handful of home games since the late 90s and I've never experienced an atmosphere as shit and quiet as we have produced over the last 5 years. I find it a chore to even attend some games at the moment. It's loyalty that keeps me going. We have lost that many games at home the last couple of years that when a friend of mine said to me "nobody worries about coming here anymore" I said "they do, fucking me for a start" because watching this team has been THAT daunting at home. I have always been a loud supporter, singing songs and appealing for every decision just on the off chance we get the throw or the free kick we don't deserve but these days I can't muster it. We have had one of the best squads in the league every season since we have been back down and they have majorly underperformed every time. It's nothing to do with their ability because they occasionally show its there, they are quite simply shithouses. It is their lack of desire that has affected my singing voice. Another aspect in my opinion is the decade we had a decade in the prem. A lot changes in that time, plenty of people die and plenty change from being fit and able to go to being past it. The same cycle of life has seen that support replenished with a generation of supporters who had only ever seen the prem. I know a couple of lads in their early twenties and their first two away games were the two Wembley trips under TP. My first away day was Wrexham. I earned that Wembley trip and felt like I'd pushed us there every step of the way if that makes sense. A spoilt generation of stoke fan basically formed. Those same lads have often made comments to me suggesting that Crouch and walters were hopeless and I just think they have never lived in the real football world. When you've grown up anywhere between the years of John gayle and Riki Dadason I thought I'd won the lottery even with Akinbiyi nevermind crouch and super jon - watching Crouch and Walters was like a footballing privilege to me. The point being a large portion of the crowd think they are too good for this league and are not used to players this shit so they can't be arsed to get behind them. For me I would happily swap this entire squad for some 100% effort players who are proud to represent the club. Another interesting point a friend made to me recently when I asked them why they had stopped attending the match. He explained to me that he had been addicted to going stoke for 30 years and I can confirm that he truly was, but now that he felt he has seen the best that the club could ever reasonably achieve it has taken all the buzz away for him. He feels like he has maxed out so to speak. All his dreams were completed with top flight football, cup finals, European tours, record breaking signings. He basically feels like he's completed it mate. I don't know if many people feel the same way as him but I sort of get it. Post of the year there mate, I feel exactly the same way.👏👏👏
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