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Strikes
Jan 31, 2023 22:10:21 GMT
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Post by ravey123 on Jan 31, 2023 22:10:21 GMT
How do we think this will all pan out - seems like almost every part of the civil service is striking and the press are loving it by whipping up the worry.
Strange that there haven’t been any headlines of people going on strike in limited companies - are they not striking (apart from Amazon), have unions been all but obliterated in private business or doesn’t it make good enough worrisome headlines for the media.
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Strikes
Feb 1, 2023 8:41:37 GMT
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Post by oggyoggy on Feb 1, 2023 8:41:37 GMT
The government will eventually sit down and do a deal. Why they didn’t do this months ago I do not know.
The government are entirely at fault.
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Post by dexter97 on Feb 1, 2023 12:27:59 GMT
How do we think this will all pan out - seems like almost every part of the civil service is striking and the press are loving it by whipping up the worry. Strange that there haven’t been any headlines of people going on strike in limited companies - are they not striking (apart from Amazon), have unions been all but obliterated in private business or doesn’t it make good enough worrisome headlines for the media. There's less union membership in the private sector (<15%) than the public sector (about 50%). Given that a lot of private businesses are SMEs and their employees' pay isn't negotiated nationally (many don't even recognise unions), that probably also has an effect. Perhaps most important though is that private sector pay since 2010 has (on average) kept pace with the cost of living.
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Post by Eggybread on Feb 1, 2023 12:39:19 GMT
From what Ive read and hear Stoke seems to be bucking the trend and is dead against the strikes.Not surprised really coming from a city which seems to be glad just to be in a job,hence the low pay in the area.
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Strikes
Feb 1, 2023 18:17:14 GMT
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Feb 1, 2023 18:17:14 GMT
Bone idle, work shy, snowflake, leftie layabouts👀
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Post by smallthorner on Feb 1, 2023 18:52:53 GMT
Great nightclub in Boslem in the seventies. Had a double decker bus upstairs serving bacon cheese oatcakes at 12 midnight.
Top stuff.
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Strikes
Feb 1, 2023 20:13:35 GMT
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Post by flea79 on Feb 1, 2023 20:13:35 GMT
I bet somebody saw the strikes supporting iron maiden in the mid 80’s
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Post by oggyoggy on Jun 27, 2024 6:09:51 GMT
I have been supportive of junior doctor strikes. I am not supportive of the latest 5 day strike starting today. There is nobody to negotiate with.
Labour has said it will sit down with them asap and negotiate when in power. For people saying they need a 35% pay rise, why are they choosing to lose 5 days pay when nobody is able to negotiate with them? Idiotic timing. Why not call it off and say they will strike again once the new government is formed if a deal cannot be done.
I don’t think they will have much public sympathy for this round of strikes.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jun 27, 2024 6:11:19 GMT
I have been supportive of junior doctor strikes. I am not supportive of the latest 5 day strike starting today. There is nobody to negotiate with. Labour has said it will sit down with them asap and negotiate when in power. For people saying they need a 35% pay rise, why are they choosing to lose 5 days pay when nobody is able to negotiate with them? Idiotic timing. Why not call it off and say they will strike again once the new government is formed if a deal cannot be done. I don’t think they will have much public sympathy for this round of strikes. Shocking dereliction of duty.
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Post by Veritas on Jun 27, 2024 7:17:16 GMT
I have been supportive of junior doctor strikes. I am not supportive of the latest 5 day strike starting today. There is nobody to negotiate with. Labour has said it will sit down with them asap and negotiate when in power. For people saying they need a 35% pay rise, why are they choosing to lose 5 days pay when nobody is able to negotiate with them? Idiotic timing. Why not call it off and say they will strike again once the new government is formed if a deal cannot be done. I don’t think they will have much public sympathy for this round of strikes. Shocking dereliction of duty. From Oggy or the doctors?
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Strikes
Jun 27, 2024 7:24:40 GMT
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jun 27, 2024 7:24:40 GMT
I have been supportive of junior doctor strikes. I am not supportive of the latest 5 day strike starting today. There is nobody to negotiate with. Labour has said it will sit down with them asap and negotiate when in power. For people saying they need a 35% pay rise, why are they choosing to lose 5 days pay when nobody is able to negotiate with them? Idiotic timing. Why not call it off and say they will strike again once the new government is formed if a deal cannot be done. I don’t think they will have much public sympathy for this round of strikes. It doesn’t reflect well on them though I’m sure it’s the vocal minority putting pressure on the majority. It’s a shame as they do a great job.
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Post by Veritas on Jun 27, 2024 7:27:28 GMT
I have been supportive of junior doctor strikes. I am not supportive of the latest 5 day strike starting today. There is nobody to negotiate with. Labour has said it will sit down with them asap and negotiate when in power. For people saying they need a 35% pay rise, why are they choosing to lose 5 days pay when nobody is able to negotiate with them? Idiotic timing. Why not call it off and say they will strike again once the new government is formed if a deal cannot be done. I don’t think they will have much public sympathy for this round of strikes. It doesn’t reflect well on them though I’m sure it’s the vocal minority putting pressure on the majority. It’s a shame as they do a great job. The vocal minority couldn't have kept it going for this long, whether you agree with them or not there is real deeply felt anger on this issue.
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Post by werrington on Jun 27, 2024 7:36:55 GMT
Why don’t people vent their anger at those withholding talks and not even negotiating with people we all need and depend on
Michelle Mony and the bailing out of the privatised railways and Thames water need our tax payers money to line their pockets not Drs etc
The working man turning on the working man ….they’re fuckin laughing at you
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Post by professorplump on Jun 27, 2024 7:44:36 GMT
THE BMA has always been the most political of unions and this strike is particularly cynical and timed to cause maximum electoral damage to the government, although it is totally unnecessary as the Tories are more than capable of shooting themselves in the foot. I have no doubt whatsoever that once Labour take power they will settle for about 15%.
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Strikes
Jun 27, 2024 7:47:36 GMT
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jun 27, 2024 7:47:36 GMT
It doesn’t reflect well on them though I’m sure it’s the vocal minority putting pressure on the majority. It’s a shame as they do a great job. The vocal minority couldn't have kept it going for this long, whether you agree with them or not there is real deeply felt anger on this issue. I’m sure deservedly there’s a lot of anger but there’s many who don’t look on striking as the only option. There must be huge numbers who feel the risk to the public is more important to them and that there’s another way even though they’re not happy otherwise why would they do the work they do if money is the main draw for doing it and not supporting the public. There needs to be wholesale change around pay for all public services but you can’t make those roles all about the wage or else you take the passion away for jobs that are so much more than about just earning a wage packet. Hopefully they can be patient and give Labour the chance to change this before further strikes. I work with a lot of teachers who are in a similar position and the vast majority of them didn’t want to strike but they felt pressured too. Like most strikes the only people that really suffer are the public. In the case of the trains 2 years down the line has anything changed? All I know it’s caused misery for many millions of commuters and tourists. The tories were never going to back down.
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Post by Veritas on Jun 27, 2024 7:52:56 GMT
The vocal minority couldn't have kept it going for this long, whether you agree with them or not there is real deeply felt anger on this issue. I’m sure deservedly there’s a lot of anger but there’s many who don’t look on striking as the only option. There must be huge numbers who feel the risk to the public is more important to them and that there’s another way even though they’re not happy otherwise why would they do the work they do if money is the main draw for doing it and not supporting the public. There needs to be wholesale change around pay for all public services but you can’t make those roles all about the wage or else you take the passion away for jobs that are so much more than about just earning a wage packet. Hopefully they can be patient and give Labour the chance to change this before further strikes. I work with a lot of teachers who are in a similar position and the vast majority of them didn’t want to strike but they felt pressured too. Like most strikes the only people that really suffer are the public. In the case of the trains 2 years down the line has anything changed? All I know it’s caused misery for many millions of commuters and tourists. The tories were never going to back down. The support has been much too solid for it to be down to unwilling individuals feeling pressured and the Tories have backed down, see the courts and nurses for two recent examples.
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Post by werrington on Jun 27, 2024 7:56:02 GMT
The vocal minority couldn't have kept it going for this long, whether you agree with them or not there is real deeply felt anger on this issue. I’m sure deservedly there’s a lot of anger but there’s many who don’t look on striking as the only option. There must be huge numbers who feel the risk to the public is more important to them and that there’s another way even though they’re not happy otherwise why would they do the work they do if money is the main draw for doing it and not supporting the public. There needs to be wholesale change around pay for all public services but you can’t make those roles all about the wage or else you take the passion away for jobs that are so much more than about just earning a wage packet. Hopefully they can be patient and give Labour the chance to change this before further strikes. I work with a lot of teachers who are in a similar position and the vast majority of them didn’t want to strike but they felt pressured too. Like most strikes the only people that really suffer are the public. In the case of the trains 2 years down the line has anything changed? All I know it’s caused misery for many millions of commuters and tourists. The tories were never going to back down. So they should shrug their shoulders and just move on then? I mean seriously
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Strikes
Jun 27, 2024 7:59:37 GMT
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Post by oggyoggy on Jun 27, 2024 7:59:37 GMT
Why don’t people vent their anger at those withholding talks and not even negotiating with people we all need and depend on Michelle Mony and the bailing out of the privatised railways and Thames water need our tax payers money to line their pockets not Drs etc The working man turning on the working man ….they’re fuckin laughing at you Who should negotiate? The current health secretary who will be out of the job (and possibly not an MP) in a week, or the shadow health secretary who has no power for a week? The current health sec is unlikely to be able to pass any deal reached evenif she did negotiate now because we are in an election period. Wes Streeting has said he will negotiate. Both sides agree that any deal will include pay rises over a number of years and not all at once. Why strike now? Why not wait a couple of weeks to see whether Streeting sticks to his word? Why cause misery to thousands when there is absolutely nobody right at this moment who can actually negotiate a deal? I don’t oppose their strikes. I oppose the specific timing of this strike.
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Strikes
Jun 27, 2024 8:01:25 GMT
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Post by werrington on Jun 27, 2024 8:01:25 GMT
Why don’t people vent their anger at those withholding talks and not even negotiating with people we all need and depend on Michelle Mony and the bailing out of the privatised railways and Thames water need our tax payers money to line their pockets not Drs etc The working man turning on the working man ….they’re fuckin laughing at you Who should negotiate? The current health secretary who will be out of the job (and possibly not an MP) in a week, or the shadow health secretary who has no power for a week? The current health sec is unlikely to be able to pass any deal reached evenif she did negotiate now because we are in an election period. Wes Streeting has said he will negotiate. Both sides agree that any deal will include pay rises over a number of years and not all at once. Why strike now? Why not wait a couple of weeks to see whether Streeting sticks to his word? Why cause misery to thousands when there is absolutely nobody right at this moment who can actually negotiate a deal? I don’t oppose their strikes. I oppose the specific timing of this strike. We have a government who have had 2 years to negotiate Vent your anger at them
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Post by oggyoggy on Jun 27, 2024 8:01:30 GMT
THE BMA has always been the most political of unions and this strike is particularly cynical and timed to cause maximum electoral damage to the government, although it is totally unnecessary as the Tories are more than capable of shooting themselves in the foot. I have no doubt whatsoever that once Labour take power they will settle for about 15%. I genuinely think striking right at this moment and not waiting for the new administration weakens their hand when they negotiate with Labour.
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Post by oggyoggy on Jun 27, 2024 8:04:37 GMT
Who should negotiate? The current health secretary who will be out of the job (and possibly not an MP) in a week, or the shadow health secretary who has no power for a week? The current health sec is unlikely to be able to pass any deal reached evenif she did negotiate now because we are in an election period. Wes Streeting has said he will negotiate. Both sides agree that any deal will include pay rises over a number of years and not all at once. Why strike now? Why not wait a couple of weeks to see whether Streeting sticks to his word? Why cause misery to thousands when there is absolutely nobody right at this moment who can actually negotiate a deal? I don’t oppose their strikes. I oppose the specific timing of this strike. We have a government who have had 2 years to negotiate Vent your anger them I absolutely agree. I am furious with them. If you have read my posts on here you will know how much I dislike the government and have done for years. But that doesn’t mean doctors should be striking right now when they know they will be negotiating with someone who actually wants to give them a pay rise and strike a deal. It is the first thing on Streeting’s to do list. So delay the strike for a few weeks and see if Streeting can reach a deal with them before inflicting misery on patients. The fact is, nobody currently has the power to give them their pay rise right now.
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Post by oggyoggy on Jun 27, 2024 8:07:16 GMT
In fact, this has been a great opportunity for Streeting to release a statement pleading with doctors not to strike now and promising that if he is health secretary after the election, he will meet with them within the first 7 days to negotiate a deal.
That would be a great way for Streeting to gain popularity.
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Post by wannabee on Jun 27, 2024 9:12:32 GMT
In fact, this has been a great opportunity for Streeting to release a statement pleading with doctors not to strike now and promising that if he is health secretary after the election, he will meet with them within the first 7 days to negotiate a deal. That would be a great way for Streeting to gain popularity. Wes Streeting has called on Junior Doctors to cancel this strike and said if Elected and given Heath Secretary Job he will make it his first priority He has rejected that an immediate 35% is not possible but is committed to talks about Pay Restoration as "a journey not an event" in principle Junior Doctors representatives have accepted this principle so on the face of it this particular strike seems pointless and unnecessary. Although I have every sympathy for Junior Doctors and all other Public Servants who have been fucked over for the last 14 years. It's not just a question of pay but the conditions people are being asked to work in with Budget cutbacks leading to staff shortages, crumbling buildings and classrooms, jobsworths imposing more and more "targets" and form filing. There is real anger and almost every section and location in Society is poorer today than in 2010. I say almost but not at the top where wealth inequality has widened much of it brought on by the COVID corruption where we are seeing billions of £ going up in smoke while almost a million more children are in poverty Rant over and I know you agree with me Oggy
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Post by OldStokie on Jun 27, 2024 12:10:19 GMT
This latest Junior Doctor's strike is a political one. It's a final two fingers to the Tories who have stretched this out and a warning to Labour that if they win the election then they'd better be serious about getting it sorted. Having said that, I don't think it will have won them many friends. It was unnecessary right now.
OS.
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Post by oggyoggy on Jun 27, 2024 12:33:39 GMT
In fact, this has been a great opportunity for Streeting to release a statement pleading with doctors not to strike now and promising that if he is health secretary after the election, he will meet with them within the first 7 days to negotiate a deal. That would be a great way for Streeting to gain popularity. Wes Streeting has called on Junior Doctors to cancel this strike and said if Elected and given Heath Secretary Job he will make it his first priority He has rejected that an immediate 35% is not possible but is committed to talks about Pay Restoration as "a journey not an event" in principle Junior Doctors representatives have accepted this principle so on the face of it this particular strike seems pointless and unnecessary. Although I have every sympathy for Junior Doctors and all other Public Servants who have been fucked over for the last 14 years. It's not just a question of pay but the conditions people are being asked to work in with Budget cutbacks leading to staff shortages, crumbling buildings and classrooms, jobsworths imposing more and more "targets" and form filing. There is real anger and almost every section and location in Society is poorer today than in 2010. I say almost but not at the top where wealth inequality has widened much of it brought on by the COVID corruption where we are seeing billions of £ going up in smoke while almost a million more children are in poverty Rant over and I know you agree with me Oggy I’m glad Streeting has said that. And yes, I do agree entirely.
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Strikes
Aug 2, 2024 7:43:43 GMT
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Post by cobhamstokey on Aug 2, 2024 7:43:43 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c19kdyyxzr3oThis was always going to happen. It’s not that they don’t deserve it but they’re no more deserving than any other public / frontline service. Not sure where all the moneys going to come from to pay nurses carers paramedics fire police teachers It’s a huge increase and every other worker will want the same and to be fair you can’t blame. Meanwhile the public will suffer with more strikes.
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Strikes
Aug 2, 2024 8:22:34 GMT
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Post by superjw on Aug 2, 2024 8:22:34 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c19kdyyxzr3oThis was always going to happen. It’s not that they don’t deserve it but they’re no more deserving than any other public / frontline service. Not sure where all the moneys going to come from to pay nurses carers paramedics fire police teachers It’s a huge increase and every other worker will want the same and to be fair you can’t blame. Meanwhile the public will suffer with more strikes. Yep it’s obvious that a 22% upwards pay deal would perk every public sector area up, it would do me as well. I’ve heard the junior doctors are even potentially going to barter for more than offered too, called out in this article as well
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Strikes
Aug 2, 2024 9:15:11 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2024 9:15:11 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c19kdyyxzr3oThis was always going to happen. It’s not that they don’t deserve it but they’re no more deserving than any other public / frontline service. Not sure where all the moneys going to come from to pay nurses carers paramedics fire police teachers It’s a huge increase and every other worker will want the same and to be fair you can’t blame. Meanwhile the public will suffer with more strikes. Junior docs in the UK earn a pittance in comparison to the US. They have the opportunity to earn far more elsewhere and decide to stay. I imagine it’s because they love their country and the things that hold them too it. It’s not surprising to me that they have had a salary increase (that still puts them way behind the curve in the US and probably a number of other countries as well).
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Strikes
Aug 2, 2024 9:20:37 GMT
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Post by cobhamstokey on Aug 2, 2024 9:20:37 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c19kdyyxzr3oThis was always going to happen. It’s not that they don’t deserve it but they’re no more deserving than any other public / frontline service. Not sure where all the moneys going to come from to pay nurses carers paramedics fire police teachers It’s a huge increase and every other worker will want the same and to be fair you can’t blame. Meanwhile the public will suffer with more strikes. Junior docs in the UK earn a pittance in comparison to the US. They have the opportunity to earn far more elsewhere and decide to stay. I imagine it’s because they love their country and the things that hold them too it. It’s not surprising to me that they have had a salary increase (that still puts them way behind the curve in the US and probably a number of other countries as well). That’s why I said it’s not what they deserve but I’m sure all the other occupations listed are poorly paid too in comparison to their US equivalents.
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Strikes
Aug 2, 2024 9:25:46 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2024 9:25:46 GMT
Junior docs in the UK earn a pittance in comparison to the US. They have the opportunity to earn far more elsewhere and decide to stay. I imagine it’s because they love their country and the things that hold them too it. It’s not surprising to me that they have had a salary increase (that still puts them way behind the curve in the US and probably a number of other countries as well). That’s why I said it’s not what they deserve but I’m sure all the other occupations listed are poorly paid too in comparison to their US equivalents. Nah, teacher’s salaries suck everywhere and I’m not sure that the rest could apply for a working visa unless, for example, the nurse takes a more specialized route. I’ve not met a lot of English nurses in my time here but I’ve met a lot of English doctors. Salaries across the board in the UK should be higher though. My take home far exceeds what I’d be earning in the UK. I’m honestly surprised that the country itself just doesn’t stop and go on strike.
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