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Post by callas12 on Jan 14, 2023 19:45:54 GMT
It's certainly looking like it isn't it. A team that were really staring relegation in the face & far worse than us when Bruce's services were dispensed with & Carlos Corberan stepped forward with the remit of changing fortunes.
Pld 11, W 8, D 1, L 2, GS 17, GC 7 GD +10 Win Ratio 72.73% !
Just let that sink in!! Upto 6th in the table in the process & in great form!
Michael Carrick not far behind him either:
Pld 12, W 8, D 1, L 3, Win Ratio 66.7%
Alex Neil's sorry stats for clarity,
Pld 22, W 7, D 5, L 10 Win Ratio 31.8%
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2023 19:58:02 GMT
West Brown were never in danger of relegation. Their xG stats were always some of the strongest in the league even before Bruce was sacked. They may very well have gone on this run even without changing managers.
Not sure about Middlesbrough’s stats but I suspect they were good too. They played us off the park and we were fortunate to scrape a 2-2 draw.
In fact, I suspect a large reason for the fabled “new manager bounce” phenomenon is that teams encounter an awful patch of variance and sack the manager, and then the new one inherits a team that had good underlying processes but were suffering unfortunate short term results in relation to their relative ability. So add in the extra 1% effort that a new guy should see from his players and the results do a u turn.
The reason we don’t get new manager bounces is because our underlying processes aren’t good.
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Post by callas12 on Jan 14, 2023 20:13:09 GMT
West Brown were never in danger of relegation. Their xG stats were always some of the strongest in the league even before Bruce was sacked. They may very well have gone on this run even without changing managers. Not sure about Middlesbrough’s stats but I suspect they were good too. They played us off the park and we were fortunate to scrape a 2-2 draw. In fact, I suspect a large reason for the fabled “new manager bounce” phenomenon is that teams encounter an awful patch of variance and sack the manager, and then the new one inherits a team that had good underlying processes but were suffering unfortunate short term results in relation to their relative ability. So add in the extra 1% effort that a new guy should see from his players and the results do a u turn. The reason we don’t get new manager bounces is because our underlying processes aren’t good. Interesting theory there & hadn't really looked at it that way. |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jan 14, 2023 20:34:02 GMT
It's certainly looking like it isn't it. A team that were really staring relegation in the face & far worse than us when Bruce's services were dispensed with & Carlos Corberan stepped forward with the remit of changing fortunes. Pld 11, W 8, D 1, L 2, GS 17, GC 7 GD +10 Win Ratio 72.73% ! Just let that sink in!! Upto 6th in the table in the process & in great form! Michael Carrick not far behind him either: Pld 12, W 8, D 1, L 3, Win Ratio 66.7% Alex Neil's sorry stats for clarity, Pld 22, W 7, D 5, L 10 Win Ratio 31.8% You can’t be giving him the win away at Blackburn….. |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jan 14, 2023 20:36:48 GMT
It's certainly looking like it isn't it. A team that were really staring relegation in the face & far worse than us when Bruce's services were dispensed with & Carlos Corberan stepped forward with the remit of changing fortunes. Pld 11, W 8, D 1, L 2, GS 17, GC 7 GD +10 Win Ratio 72.73% ! Just let that sink in!! Upto 6th in the table in the process & in great form! Michael Carrick not far behind him either: Pld 12, W 8, D 1, L 3, Win Ratio 66.7% Alex Neil's sorry stats for clarity, Pld 22, W 7, D 5, L 10 Win Ratio 31.8% NOTTS Forest🤔come on mate my son in law would go apeshit if you said that🤣 |
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Post by shrewspotter on Jan 14, 2023 20:38:40 GMT
There's a lot riding on west brom, borrowed money. Sold this and that. If they don't go up a Derby awaits
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Post by peterthornesboots on Jan 14, 2023 20:39:56 GMT
It's certainly looking like it isn't it. A team that were really staring relegation in the face & far worse than us when Bruce's services were dispensed with & Carlos Corberan stepped forward with the remit of changing fortunes. Pld 11, W 8, D 1, L 2, GS 17, GC 7 GD +10 Win Ratio 72.73% ! Just let that sink in!! Upto 6th in the table in the process & in great form! Michael Carrick not far behind him either: Pld 12, W 8, D 1, L 3, Win Ratio 66.7% Alex Neil's sorry stats for clarity, Pld 22, W 7, D 5, L 10 Win Ratio 31.8% Two teams that (I think) were below us in the table? It does make you wonder why AN has been unable to get any immediate reaction from our squad. I am not saying he should have got us into the play off places, but neither should we be staring at relegation. |
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Post by callas12 on Jan 14, 2023 20:58:54 GMT
There's a lot riding on west brom, borrowed money. Sold this and that. If they don't go up a Derby awaits Aston Villa were in the same boat when they went up after beating Derby in the Play Off Final! They gambled massively & fortunately for them it paid off for them. |
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Post by callas12 on Jan 14, 2023 21:01:47 GMT
It's certainly looking like it isn't it. A team that were really staring relegation in the face & far worse than us when Bruce's services were dispensed with & Carlos Corberan stepped forward with the remit of changing fortunes. Pld 11, W 8, D 1, L 2, GS 17, GC 7 GD +10 Win Ratio 72.73% ! Just let that sink in!! Upto 6th in the table in the process & in great form! Michael Carrick not far behind him either: Pld 12, W 8, D 1, L 3, Win Ratio 66.7% Alex Neil's sorry stats for clarity, Pld 22, W 7, D 5, L 10 Win Ratio 31.8% NOTTS Forest🤔come on mate my son in law would go apeshit if you said that🤣 Son in law as a Forest fan! Ooh feel for ya there! Definitely bragging rights to them right now! Ooh do they get abit hurty when referred to as NOTTS, coz of their near neighbours! Don't let em convince you that they're older than us either! 😉😁 |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jan 14, 2023 21:09:44 GMT
NOTTS Forest🤔come on mate my son in law would go apeshit if you said that🤣 Son in law as a Forest fan! Ooh feel for ya there! Definitely bragging rights to them right now! Ooh do they get abit hurty when referred to as NOTTS, coz of their near neighbours! Don't let em convince you that they're older than us either! 😉😁 They most certainly do mate and to make things worse he took the youngest granddaughter today aged 5 nearly 6 to her 1st game and I’ve just had a phone conversation with her and she’s singing just can’t get enough and you reds down the phone to me😳🤣I feel like I’ve failed her🤣🤣 |
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Post by callas12 on Jan 14, 2023 21:15:52 GMT
Son in law as a Forest fan! Ooh feel for ya there! Definitely bragging rights to them right now! Ooh do they get abit hurty when referred to as NOTTS, coz of their near neighbours! Don't let em convince you that they're older than us either! 😉😁 They most certainly do mate and to make things worse he took the youngest granddaughter today aged 5 nearly 6 to her 1st game and I’ve just had a phone conversation with her and she’s singing just can’t get enough and you reds down the phone to me😳🤣I feel like I’ve failed her🤣🤣 🙈🙈😉😆 To be fair, she's probably better off at Forest than us right now mate. At least she'll be getting entertained there! |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jan 14, 2023 21:26:20 GMT
They most certainly do mate and to make things worse he took the youngest granddaughter today aged 5 nearly 6 to her 1st game and I’ve just had a phone conversation with her and she’s singing just can’t get enough and you reds down the phone to me😳🤣I feel like I’ve failed her🤣🤣 🙈🙈😉😆 To be fair, she's probably better off at Forest than us right now mate. At least she'll be getting entertained there! I took the eldest daughter from when the Bet365 was built in 97 so she knew what it was like to suffer with her first season resulting in relegation 😊I always maintained it was character building and she’d appreciate the good times whereas lads at work said it was child abuse🤣🤣🤣 |
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jan 14, 2023 21:56:39 GMT
It's certainly looking like it isn't it. A team that were really staring relegation in the face & far worse than us when Bruce's services were dispensed with & Carlos Corberan stepped forward with the remit of changing fortunes. Pld 11, W 8, D 1, L 2, GS 17, GC 7 GD +10 Win Ratio 72.73% ! Just let that sink in!! Upto 6th in the table in the process & in great form! Michael Carrick not far behind him either: Pld 12, W 8, D 1, L 3, Win Ratio 66.7% Alex Neil's sorry stats for clarity, Pld 22, W 7, D 5, L 10 Win Ratio 31.8% Two teams that (I think) were below us in the table? It does make you wonder why AN has been unable to get any immediate reaction from our squad. I am not saying he should have got us into the play off places, but neither should we be staring at relegation. Because he’s always been bang average with zero kerb appeal to match he was a terrible terrible appointment and will continue to tail spin us unless removed it’s unequivocal he ahd made us worse and for me that was inevitable the day he was appointed talki g like Pep and managing like kamara |
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Post by swampySCFC on Jan 14, 2023 22:02:24 GMT
Two teams that (I think) were below us in the table? It does make you wonder why AN has been unable to get any immediate reaction from our squad. I am not saying he should have got us into the play off places, but neither should we be staring at relegation. Because he’s always been bang average with zero kerb appeal to match he was a terrible terrible appointment and will continue to tail spin us unless removed it’s unequivocal he ahd made us worse and for me that was inevitable the day he was appointed talki g like Pep and managing like kamara A Bloke happy to have a contract, no interest in the club given he turned us down before. |
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Post by callas12 on Jan 14, 2023 22:05:28 GMT
🙈🙈😉😆 To be fair, she's probably better off at Forest than us right now mate. At least she'll be getting entertained there! I took the eldest daughter from when the Bet365 was built in 97 so she knew what it was like to suffer with her first season resulting in relegation 😊I always maintained it was character building and she’d appreciate the good times whereas lads at work said it was child abuse🤣🤣🤣 No I definitely agree with that Outlook, supporting Stoke is definitely character building, in its extreme form! I always say that Stoke winning the Autoglass/Auto-Windscreens meant more to us Potters fans than say the average Man Utd winning another FA Cup or League Cup year on year for eg. You kind of cherish the rarer occasions of success no matter how small, much more than when it's a regular or frequent event. I started regularly attending Stoke games in the 84/85 season so I guess I'm conditioned to accepting the failures, but proper embracing the glory occasions, as rare as they! 😉🤣 |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jan 14, 2023 22:10:16 GMT
I took the eldest daughter from when the Bet365 was built in 97 so she knew what it was like to suffer with her first season resulting in relegation 😊I always maintained it was character building and she’d appreciate the good times whereas lads at work said it was child abuse🤣🤣🤣 No I definitely agree with that Outlook, supporting Stoke is definitely character building, in its extreme form! I always say that Stoke winning the Autoglass/Auto-Windscreens meant more to us Potters fans than say the average Man Utd winning another FA Cup or League Cup year on year for eg. You kind of cherish the rarer occasions of success no matter how small, much more than when it's a regular or frequent event. I started regularly attending Stoke games in the 84/85 season so I guess I'm conditioned to accepting the failures, but proper embracing the glory occasions, as rare as they! 😉🤣 Has your mate been today?Told me a couple of weeks back he couldn’t take much more and wasn’t ringing up again🤔On the way home from the Preston game who rings up🤣 |
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Post by smallthorner on Jan 14, 2023 22:11:51 GMT
West Brown were never in danger of relegation. Their xG stats were always some of the strongest in the league even before Bruce was sacked. They may very well have gone on this run even without changing managers. Not sure about Middlesbrough’s stats but I suspect they were good too. They played us off the park and we were fortunate to scrape a 2-2 draw. In fact, I suspect a large reason for the fabled “new manager bounce” phenomenon is that teams encounter an awful patch of variance and sack the manager, and then the new one inherits a team that had good underlying processes but were suffering unfortunate short term results in relation to their relative ability. So add in the extra 1% effort that a new guy should see from his players and the results do a u turn. The reason we don’t get new manager bounces is because our underlying processes aren’t good. Does that mean our players are shit? |
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Post by st3mark on Jan 14, 2023 22:26:20 GMT
I hate to say it because I can't stand them.
But west brom get the big decisions right at this level more often than not. They will go up either this year or next year.
It's the top level where they come unstuck because they think they are too good to play ugly against the big boys. At this level though they are championship experts
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Post by metalhead on Jan 16, 2023 11:41:01 GMT
Good team making positive changes. You can them sneaking the playoffs into the Prem. We're still here...  Maybe not for much longer. |
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Post by boothenesque on Jan 17, 2023 18:00:48 GMT
West Brown were never in danger of relegation. Their xG stats were always some of the strongest in the league even before Bruce was sacked. They may very well have gone on this run even without changing managers. Not sure about Middlesbrough’s stats but I suspect they were good too. They played us off the park and we were fortunate to scrape a 2-2 draw. In fact, I suspect a large reason for the fabled “new manager bounce” phenomenon is that teams encounter an awful patch of variance and sack the manager, and then the new one inherits a team that had good underlying processes but were suffering unfortunate short term results in relation to their relative ability. So add in the extra 1% effort that a new guy should see from his players and the results do a u turn. The reason we don’t get new manager bounces is because our underlying processes aren’t good. Does that mean our players are shit? Probably a lot of things are shit. The problem with shit is, that onve youi have shit in place, it tends to recruit and breed more shit, so it spreads. Those who are shiut never hire anyone that is any good because then it makes it more obvious that they were shit and the problem. This is now endemic throughout and I can now see where some peop[le are coming from when they say we would benefit from going down, in that it forces the cleansing and disinfecting of the shit, the risk being that we die in the process. Sorry to have to say it but we need someone brutal like Pulis back. It wouldn't be pretty but how else to get rid of the shit? |
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Post by Gods on Jan 17, 2023 18:11:22 GMT
It's certainly looking like it isn't it. A team that were really staring relegation in the face & far worse than us when Bruce's services were dispensed with & Carlos Corberan stepped forward with the remit of changing fortunes. Pld 11, W 8, D 1, L 2, GS 17, GC 7 GD +10 Win Ratio 72.73% ! Just let that sink in!! Upto 6th in the table in the process & in great form! Michael Carrick not far behind him either: Pld 12, W 8, D 1, L 3, Win Ratio 66.7% Alex Neil's sorry stats for clarity, Pld 22, W 7, D 5, L 10 Win Ratio 31.8% I only make it 6 wins for Alex Neil. Hull A, Sheff U H, Preston A, Wigan A, Luton H and Bristol City A Did you give him the Hartlepool FA Cup game or have I missed one? |
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Post by smallthorner on Jan 17, 2023 18:48:04 GMT
Does that mean our players are shit? Probably a lot of things are shit. The problem with shit is, that onve youi have shit in place, it tends to recruit and breed more shit, so it spreads. Those who are shiut never hire anyone that is any good because then it makes it more obvious that they were shit and the problem. This is now endemic throughout and I can now see where some peop[le are coming from when they say we would benefit from going down, in that it forces the cleansing and disinfecting of the shit, the risk being that we die in the process. Sorry to have to say it but we need someone brutal like Pulis back. It wouldn't be pretty but how else to get rid of the shit? Shit .. Is Pulis available? |
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Post by callas12 on Jan 17, 2023 19:25:15 GMT
It's certainly looking like it isn't it. A team that were really staring relegation in the face & far worse than us when Bruce's services were dispensed with & Carlos Corberan stepped forward with the remit of changing fortunes. Pld 11, W 8, D 1, L 2, GS 17, GC 7 GD +10 Win Ratio 72.73% ! Just let that sink in!! Upto 6th in the table in the process & in great form! Michael Carrick not far behind him either: Pld 12, W 8, D 1, L 3, Win Ratio 66.7% Alex Neil's sorry stats for clarity, Pld 22, W 7, D 5, L 10 Win Ratio 31.8% I only make it 6 wins for Alex Neil. Hull A, Sheff U H, Preston A, Wigan A, Luton H and Bristol City A Did you give him the Hartlepool FA Cup game or have I missed one? I got them straight from Wikipedia, which is now saying 7 wins. Think they may have well included the FA Cup victory as it doesn't differentiate between competitions. & they may well have credited him the Blackburn victory initially aswell 😉🤣.. Think its the Hartlepool win that's counted towards it tho so will be 6x league wins & the 1 Cup win. |
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