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Post by liathroid on Jan 14, 2023 17:30:47 GMT
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Post by liathroid on Jan 14, 2023 17:58:52 GMT
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Post by xchpotter on Jan 14, 2023 18:04:41 GMT
Wow. Looking at the reactions when we concede tells me we are fucked. Everyone looking at everyone else, no personal responsibility and no bloody emotion. Spineless shysters.
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Post by liathroid on Jan 14, 2023 21:20:20 GMT
heres Harvey s take on it |
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Post by st3mark on Jan 14, 2023 23:49:08 GMT
heres Harvey s take on it I don't know why but seeing Harvey's nostrils every week just makes it that little bit worse for me. |
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Post by st3mark on Jan 14, 2023 23:50:00 GMT
Jesus wept that second and third goal were shocking. |
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Post by Fred Ferret on Jan 15, 2023 8:58:42 GMT
Wow. Looking at the reactions when we concede tells me we are fucked. Everyone looking at everyone else, no personal responsibility and no bloody emotion. Spineless shysters. Spot on. There is absolutely no organisation in defence. No one is taking any responsibility whatsoever. Defenders are simply wandering around trying to keep up with play. No one in the defence seems to be interested in tackling a player, no one in the defence takes ownership in marking a player. Where is the evidence of coaching. Where is the evidence of fitness. Where is there evidence of urgency. The players are not interested. They are not playing for the manager. Does Neil have any relationship with them. It seems like the player manager relationship is dead - stone dead. Week on week we are now seeing absolutely no improvement in defence, midfield, and attack. This manager’s lack of progress/impact suggests he is no more than a big billy bollocks air-head. The players look shot, there is no team. |
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jan 15, 2023 9:25:47 GMT
Wow. Looking at the reactions when we concede tells me we are fucked. Everyone looking at everyone else, no personal responsibility and no bloody emotion. Spineless shysters. Spot on. There is absolutely no organisation in defence. No one is taking any responsibility whatsoever. Defenders are simply wandering around trying to keep up with play. No one in the defence seems to be interested in tackling a player, no one in the defence takes ownership in marking a player. Where is the evidence of coaching. Where is the evidence of fitness. Where is there evidence of urgency. The players are not interested. They are not playing for the manager. Does Neil have any relationship with them. It seems like the player manager relationship is dead - stone dead. Week on week we are now seeing absolutely no improvement in defence, midfield, and attack. This manager’s lack of progress/impact suggests he is no more than a big billy bollocks air-head. The players look shot, there is no team. That's a pretty fair assessment. My take is that Neil tried to get the team to play his way early on and it didn't work so he's lost faith in the players and the players know he doesn't rate them and are on their way out. It looks like they are just going through the motions and thinking about their next club or retirement - there's no commitment or drive in their play. Either Neil makes big changes asap or he has to go and we bring in a manager who believes in the players we've got and gets the best out of them - and despite all the moaning there enough quality in this squad to stay up if motivated and allowed to play to their strengths. Do nothing and we're down. |
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Post by Billy the kid on Jan 15, 2023 9:34:27 GMT
Does the ball just go through Bonham? Like he mayaswell be sat in the crowd.
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Post by kevkj on Jan 15, 2023 9:35:00 GMT
The fans have no belief in this shower never mind a manager.
Seems to me they don't like the manager.
Their paid handsomely to play the spineless,lilly livered,unlikeable charlatans.
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Post by tuum on Jan 15, 2023 10:08:57 GMT
"there's no commitment or drive in their play".
is I think a pretty fair assessment. The limited periods of a game where we are in the ascendancy we never seem to build any real momentum. Rarely, do we have sustained periods of pressure where we besiege the opposition goal. Our build up play is too slow and no one is brave enough (to paraphrase Shawcross yesterday) to make the runs from midfield or to try and get in behind the full backs.We play too narrow and hardly ever seem to turn the opposition defence. We are far too easy to defend against and,it seems, far too easy to attack. AN has persisted with the same system that failed under MON but results are worse and the players look as disengaged as the fans.
It is AN's job to motivate and coach these players.It is not an excuse to say they are not his players. That may be acceptable to explain,for example, why we finished 8th and just missed out on the play offs but any manager should be able to get these players (as poor as they are) to a comfy mid-table position.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jan 15, 2023 10:30:42 GMT
"there's no commitment or drive in their play". is I think a pretty fair assessment. The limited periods of a game where we are in the ascendancy we never seem to build any real momentum. Rarely, do we have sustained periods of pressure where we besiege the opposition goal. Our build up play is too slow and no one is brave enough (to paraphrase Shawcross yesterday) to make the runs from midfield or to try and get in behind the full backs.We play too narrow and hardly ever seem to turn the opposition defence. We are far too easy to defend against and,it seems, far too easy to attack. AN has persisted with the same system that failed under MON but results are worse and the players look as disengaged as the fans. It is AN's job to motivate and coach these players.It is not an excuse to say they are not his players. That may be acceptable to explain,for example, why we finished 8th and just missed out on the play offs but any manager should be able to get these players (as poor as they are) to a comfy mid-table position. Neil has reverted to wingbacks but the style of play is completely different to the way MON played it. MON went for a slow build up from the back and tried to play through the midfield and the wingbacks. Neil has been bypassing the midfield and wingbacks and relied far to much on long balls to strikers who aren't very good as target men. The players don't look suited or happy with that style of play and players like Baker aren't contributing because they are being used properly. If we cant get the players in quick enough to play the way Neil wants to play we actually need a manager that can make MON's squad work - and like it or not that means reverting to how MON tried to set us up to play. Incidentally I don't think Neil wants to play a long ball game - his usual game plan is 4 at the back and an aggressive high tempo press. He tried that and it didn't work with these players and I think he's adopted a long ball tactic as a percentage based game and it isn't working either because the players are even less suited to that game plan. I suspect the players think they are better footballers than that and aren't happy with a manager who seems to think they can only cope with such a crude way of playing the game. This squad and this manager are match made in hell and one or the other has to change. |
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Post by tuum on Jan 15, 2023 13:23:24 GMT
Neil has reverted to wingbacks but the style of play is completely different to the way MON played it. MON went for a slow build up from the back and tried to play through the midfield and the wingbacks. Neil has been bypassing the midfield and wingbacks and relied far to much on long balls to strikers who aren't very good as target men. The players don't look suited or happy with that style of play and players like Baker aren't contributing because they are being used properly. If we cant get the players in quick enough to play the way Neil wants to play we actually need a manager that can make MON's squad work - and like it or not that means reverting to how MON tried to set us up to play. Incidentally I don't think Neil wants to play a long ball game - his usual game plan is 4 at the back and an aggressive high tempo press. He tried that and it didn't work with these players and I think he's adopted a long ball tactic as a percentage based game and it isn't working either because the players are even less suited to that game plan. I suspect the players think they are better footballers than that and aren't happy with a manager who seems to think they can only cope with such a crude way of playing the game. This squad and this manager are match made in hell and one or the other has to change. Not sure I entirely agree with your assessment that the style of play is completely different. I agree that he started with a high press and recently has reverted to playing a more direct style (but not by much). Where I do agree with you and was one of the main points I was trying to make re AN v MON is that our build up play is far too slow with limited movement under both managers.... and we still manage to find our goalkeeper from attacking throw ins in the opposition's half😉 I am struggling to see how we can win consistently with the wing backs we have whatever system he plays. |
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