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Post by bunnyscfc on Feb 12, 2023 9:54:26 GMT
Two games, two wins. Sets a goal up and has Kane in his pocket.
Meanwhile, his replacement has played one game in 13 months and hasn't been seen yet.
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Post by kerouac on Feb 12, 2023 10:20:34 GMT
I thought he looked poor last week.
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Post by meggeth on Feb 14, 2023 18:52:52 GMT
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Post by mrrine on Feb 15, 2023 21:55:35 GMT
"Posted Saturday at 18:24 Weve basically got him on the cheap after injury. As we know in the premier league, if him and Kristiansen string 7 or 8 good performances together their value will more than double in no time at all." Surely theyre not surprised...?
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Post by Billy the kid on Feb 15, 2023 22:01:09 GMT
"Posted Saturday at 18:24 Weve basically got him on the cheap after injury. As we know in the premier league, if him and Kristiansen string 7 or 8 good performances together their value will more than double in no time at all." Surely theyre not surprised...? I watched a 20 min video interview with Soutts, with Mark Schwarzer last night, it hurt. good luck to the lad, but he was very complimentarily about Stoke and said "I didnt mind staying at stoke, but when Brendan Rodgers called me and explained that it wasn't just about playing for Leicester, but his own career development, we had a chat, and the next thing i know im doing a medical". Very much sold to rebuild the squad within the rules, but he wasnt arsed about leaving or staying, he just wants to play football. Good luck to the lad. So long as we have a sell on clause we will get another pay day.
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Post by mrrine on Feb 15, 2023 22:06:03 GMT
"Posted Saturday at 18:24 Weve basically got him on the cheap after injury. As we know in the premier league, if him and Kristiansen string 7 or 8 good performances together their value will more than double in no time at all." Surely theyre not surprised...? I watched a 20 min video interview with Soutts, with Mark Schwarzer last night, it hurt. good luck to the lad, but he was very complimentarily about Stoke and said "I didnt mind staying at stoke, but when Brendan Rodgers called me and explained that it wasn't just about playing for Leicester, but his own career development, we had a chat, and the next thing i know im doing a medical". Very much sold to rebuild the squad within the rules, but he wasnt arsed about leaving or staying, he just wants to play football. Good luck to the lad. So long as we have a sell on clause we will get another pay day. Yeah, I have to detach from it now. Can't help but feel we would've got a higher fee in the summer too! It's history now...
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Post by sportsman on Feb 15, 2023 22:06:30 GMT
Do we know what the add on's are for? Are they for something nice like just staying up, or something daft like winning 6 champions leagues?
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Post by Billy the kid on Feb 15, 2023 22:08:13 GMT
Do we know what the add on's are for? Are they for something nice like just staying up, or something daft like winning 6 champions leagues? ide guess (and informed by my best mate who is Leicester through and through) that its a straight sell on, around 15 percent.
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Post by Billy the kid on Feb 15, 2023 22:15:13 GMT
I watched a 20 min video interview with Soutts, with Mark Schwarzer last night, it hurt. good luck to the lad, but he was very complimentarily about Stoke and said "I didnt mind staying at stoke, but when Brendan Rodgers called me and explained that it wasn't just about playing for Leicester, but his own career development, we had a chat, and the next thing i know im doing a medical". Very much sold to rebuild the squad within the rules, but he wasnt arsed about leaving or staying, he just wants to play football. Good luck to the lad. So long as we have a sell on clause we will get another pay day. Yeah, I have to detach from it now. Can't help but feel we would've got a higher fee in the summer too! It's history now... taking my SCFC glasses off, we got a sweet deal mate, we wouldn't have got a penny more, it was a one horse race, and bumming around at the lower end of the championship wouldn't have got us much more interest, and 6 months less in terms of current contract. We are not going down, and we are not going up, and he has played less than 5 games for us this season. I am glad we took the money to be honest. Not that I don't think he wont be worth more, but its a nothing season, with a high cash influx that literally takes all the pressure off FFP wise and if he reaches potential we get another pay day. We bought him for 300k, that has to be taken in to account. Some of the best business minds in the world would love a deal to be 300k down, and immaterial wages for a few years, and then cash out at 15m. We have already made our money with a bruisy bonus if and when the big clubs go in for him. We got a good deal, Leicester got a good deal, Harry got a good deal. Its WIN-WIN-WIN. Next up for auction Tez.
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Post by thebet365 on Feb 15, 2023 22:22:17 GMT
Do we know what the add on's are for? Are they for something nice like just staying up, or something daft like winning 6 champions leagues? ide guess (and informed by my best mate who is Leicester through and through) that its a straight sell on, around 15 percent. I don't think sell on clauses are add ons. When they say a deal is for eg 15 mill rising to 18 mill with add ons they're set fees like 1 million for staying up/winning title, 1 million for a number of international call ups/playing X amount of games. You can't put a monetary value on a sell on because you've no idea how much they may sell for in the future. A sell on clause will be pretty much a cert with Souttars deal, he's still in the development part of his career.
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Post by Billy the kid on Feb 15, 2023 22:29:01 GMT
ide guess (and informed by my best mate who is Leicester through and through) that its a straight sell on, around 15 percent. I don't think sell on clauses are add ons. When they say a deal is for eg 15 mill rising to 18 mill with add ons they're set fees like 1 million for staying up/winning title, 1 million for a number of international call ups/playing X amount of games. You can't put a monetary value on a sell on because you've no idea how much they may sell for in the future. A sell on clause will be pretty much a cert with Souttars deal, he's still in the development part of his career. I agree, but from what I was told that is "common knowledge" on the Leicester side it mostly revolves around when he leaves them rather than what he achieves whilst there. The consensus is from there end is that our next decent pay day will be if and when he is sold.
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Post by mrrine on Feb 15, 2023 22:49:27 GMT
Yeah, I have to detach from it now. Can't help but feel we would've got a higher fee in the summer too! It's history now... taking my SCFC glasses off, we got a sweet deal mate, we wouldn't have got a penny more, it was a one horse race, and bumming around at the lower end of the championship wouldn't have got us much more interest, and 6 months less in terms of current contract. We are not going down, and we are not going up, and he has played less than 5 games for us this season. I am glad we took the money to be honest. Not that I don't think he wont be worth more, but its a nothing season, with a high cash influx that literally takes all the pressure off FFP wise and if he reaches potential we get another pay day. We bought him for 300k, that has to be taken in to account. Some of the best business minds in the world would love a deal to be 300k down, and immaterial wages for a few years, and then cash out at 15m. We have already made our money with a bruisy bonus if and when the big clubs go in for him. We got a good deal, Leicester got a good deal, Harry got a good deal. Its WIN-WIN-WIN. Next up for auction Tez. Thought exactly that watching Tezgal today - if he does well it'll be a Collins situation but hopefully we play harder-ball. I dunno, you make decent points but I can't help but think a long summer would draw out more than one horse into that race. 15m is 1.5x Sam Vokes I suppose
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Post by roylandstoke on Feb 15, 2023 23:00:56 GMT
"Posted Saturday at 18:24 Weve basically got him on the cheap after injury. As we know in the premier league, if him and Kristiansen string 7 or 8 good performances together their value will more than double in no time at all." Surely theyre not surprised...? If they sell Harry before he’s 32 they will more than double their money. We sold our greatest asset very, very cheap.
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Post by Billy the kid on Feb 15, 2023 23:42:23 GMT
taking my SCFC glasses off, we got a sweet deal mate, we wouldn't have got a penny more, it was a one horse race, and bumming around at the lower end of the championship wouldn't have got us much more interest, and 6 months less in terms of current contract. We are not going down, and we are not going up, and he has played less than 5 games for us this season. I am glad we took the money to be honest. Not that I don't think he wont be worth more, but its a nothing season, with a high cash influx that literally takes all the pressure off FFP wise and if he reaches potential we get another pay day. We bought him for 300k, that has to be taken in to account. Some of the best business minds in the world would love a deal to be 300k down, and immaterial wages for a few years, and then cash out at 15m. We have already made our money with a bruisy bonus if and when the big clubs go in for him. We got a good deal, Leicester got a good deal, Harry got a good deal. Its WIN-WIN-WIN. Next up for auction Tez. Thought exactly that watching Tezgal today - if he does well it'll be a Collins situation but hopefully we play harder-ball. I dunno, you make decent points but I can't help but think a long summer would draw out more than one horse into that race. 15m is 1.5x Sam Vokes I suppose On the other token it's not even a wimmer. But very different times. Another way it's half of a parachute payment. Going back to tez, as it stands I do wonder where the next pay day comes from.
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Post by stokesaint1 on Apr 26, 2023 2:34:55 GMT
Disappointing to see that big Harry seems to have been relegated to the bench since Dean Smith's take over at Leicester. Seems to be a similar situation with Nathan Collins at Wolves too. Does this highlight the huge gap between the Prem and the Championship, or are they not as good as we thought, or are they getting a rough deal? I have to admit to hoping they would both be great successes in the Premier league and, at their ages, I guess there is still plenty of time for that to be the case.
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Post by iamstokie on Apr 26, 2023 3:58:19 GMT
Disappointing to see that big Harry seems to have been relegated to the bench since Dean Smith's take over at Leicester. Seems to be a similar situation with Nathan Collins at Wolves too. Does this highlight the huge gap between the Prem and the Championship, or are they not as good as we thought, or are they getting a rough deal? I have to admit to hoping they would both be great successes in the Premier league and, at their ages, I guess there is still plenty of time for that to be the case. i have friends who are supporters of both Wolves and Leicester and none rate Souttar or collins that high , say they’re not premiership players
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Post by newsteadst3 on Apr 26, 2023 6:10:37 GMT
Disappointing to see that big Harry seems to have been relegated to the bench since Dean Smith's take over at Leicester. Seems to be a similar situation with Nathan Collins at Wolves too. Does this highlight the huge gap between the Prem and the Championship, or are they not as good as we thought, or are they getting a rough deal? I have to admit to hoping they would both be great successes in the Premier league and, at their ages, I guess there is still plenty of time for that to be the case. Yeah Souttar has dropped out of favour recently, he did make a few mistakes before he was left out mind.
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Post by nott1 on Apr 26, 2023 6:24:57 GMT
Disappointing to see that big Harry seems to have been relegated to the bench since Dean Smith's take over at Leicester. Seems to be a similar situation with Nathan Collins at Wolves too. Does this highlight the huge gap between the Prem and the Championship, or are they not as good as we thought, or are they getting a rough deal? I have to admit to hoping they would both be great successes in the Premier league and, at their ages, I guess there is still plenty of time for that to be the case. i have friends who are supporters of both Wolves and Leicester and none rate Souttar or collins that high , say they’re not premiership players Totally agree as I think Souttar is in the Maguire carthorse mode of player, highly overated and looked a decent player against poor opposition in the Championship where he'll reappear before too long!
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Post by lordb on Apr 26, 2023 6:32:51 GMT
Disappointing to see that big Harry seems to have been relegated to the bench since Dean Smith's take over at Leicester. Seems to be a similar situation with Nathan Collins at Wolves too. Does this highlight the huge gap between the Prem and the Championship, or are they not as good as we thought, or are they getting a rough deal? I have to admit to hoping they would both be great successes in the Premier league and, at their ages, I guess there is still plenty of time for that to be the case. i have friends who are supporters of both Wolves and Leicester and none rate Souttar or collins that high , say they’re not premiership players I know Wolves fans who do rate Collins,,, and another who doesn't
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Post by Veritas on Apr 26, 2023 6:38:26 GMT
i have friends who are supporters of both Wolves and Leicester and none rate Souttar or collins that high , say they’re not premiership players Totally agree as I think Souttar is in the Maguire carthorse mode of player, highly overated and looked a decent player against poor opposition in the Championship where he'll reappear before too long! And in the World Cup!
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Apr 26, 2023 7:10:56 GMT
To be fair to Harry he's bound to take a dip after coming back from that type of injury.
Next season we'll see!
Saying that in the Luton highlights, his last game for us, he misjudged crosses 4 times that I counted, didn't get near any! 😏😁
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Post by wilcopotter on Apr 26, 2023 7:12:56 GMT
Leicester bringing in Souttar as one of their main centre backs based on a good World Cup, never kicked a ball in the Premier League and after being out injured for over a years was always at best risky. Think Souttar will still get better and will have learnt a lot from this season. Personally, I think Collins is the better player. Zouma looked raw with us and doesn’t look much better to me. Think both Collins and Souttar will be as good, if not better.
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Post by biglad180 on Apr 26, 2023 8:43:06 GMT
No great shock to me about harry,never thought he was good enough for the Premier league far to slow on the turn, but we did get great money for him so happy days,i did and still do think that in the right team Collins would be a top player,i would take him back if we could even if only on loan for a season,
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Post by nottsover60 on Apr 26, 2023 9:27:49 GMT
i have friends who are supporters of both Wolves and Leicester and none rate Souttar or collins that high , say they’re not premiership players Totally agree as I think Souttar is in the Maguire carthorse mode of player, highly overated and looked a decent player against poor opposition in the Championship where he'll reappear before too long! I never thought Souttar was good enough and I don't even think it was his performances for us which got him noticed but his appearances in the World Cup. The Australian coach did a really good job promoting him as a Premier League player in waiting meaning we got a good fee for a slightly above average Championship standard defender. His games for us when he came back were no better than Fox's have been since.
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Post by a on Apr 26, 2023 11:49:32 GMT
Could it be that Collins gets sold and immediately relegated with Burnley and now Souttar gets sold and immediately relegated with Leicester?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2023 12:04:42 GMT
Could it be that Collins gets sold and immediately relegated with Burnley and now Souttar gets sold and immediately relegated with Leicester? Yes it could happen. It has no bearing on them as footballers though.
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Post by Sfance on Apr 26, 2023 13:30:05 GMT
No great shock to me about harry,never thought he was good enough for the Premier league far to slow on the turn, but we did get great money for him so happy days,i did and still do think that in the right team Collins would be a top player,i would take him back if we could even if only on loan for a season, I don't think we've missed Souttar at all. But we should be for ever grateful that Leicester's sending a few million our way may well have been what saved us from relegation this season.
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Post by stokesupporter on Apr 26, 2023 13:44:06 GMT
The truth is that we got a very decent money for both of them considering.
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Post by SamB_SCFC on Apr 26, 2023 13:44:39 GMT
No great shock to me about harry,never thought he was good enough for the Premier league far to slow on the turn, but we did get great money for him so happy days,i did and still do think that in the right team Collins would be a top player,i would take him back if we could even if only on loan for a season, I don't think we've missed Souttar at all. But we should be for ever grateful that Leicester's sending a few million our way may well have been what saved us from relegation this season. Although it's too early to write Harry off and he might be great next season, it's looking odds on at the moment that we got the better half of the deal. I always thought it was an odd move from Leicester. He's been out with a serious injury for a year and hadn't looked great in his games for Stoke after the World Cup. And on top of that, even before his injury he'd only really had a few months of regular first team football at Championship level with Stoke. The second half of the 2020/21 season and the first 3 months of the 2021/22 season before his injury in November 2021. Not enough time in my opinion to judge him to be worth so much. Seems a very odd, big money gamble from them seemingly on the back of his World Cup performances. And international tournaments are a notoriously inconsistent judge of a player's quality because international football is very different from club football. Oh well, we got a good fee from it, it didn't affect our season negatively at all (and arguably helped us by bringing in funds to help us get the important loan players), and if he doesn't make the grade then that's on them. Personally I hope he does make it and goes on to have a successful Premier League career. It's been a long time since one of our players have done that. And ultimately the better he does, the more money we will make with sell on clauses if he moves to a bigger club. On that point, does anyone know if there's a relegation survival clause in his contract where we get paid some money if they stay up?
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Post by a on Apr 26, 2023 16:13:38 GMT
Could it be that Collins gets sold and immediately relegated with Burnley and now Souttar gets sold and immediately relegated with Leicester? Yes it could happen. It has no bearing on them as footballers though. No of course not, it would be mental to blame one young player 😂 Just an unlikely thing to happen if indeed it does
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