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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2022 17:28:41 GMT
Wasn't a popular player in the dressing room nor with Nello To check that my recollection from when we were writing the book is correct, I've just now asked Nello and he says he got on fine with Martin. There is of course the famous underpants incident at Tranmere which was actually Lou's idea. I wonder if Martin's salary at Matlock is enough to keep him in silk underpants to the style to which he is a accustomed ? When I interviewed Martin for the book he also told the rather bizarre story of how when he signed for Stoke he had a clause put in the contract that the Club would pay for a holiday for him. To implement this, Lou summoned..................err Nello, to take Martin to a travel agent to book it. I confess I've never really seen Neil as a Simon Calder figure but there you go Carruthers always seemed the life and soul in the bar after the games at the Vic. Carruthers holding court, Keith Scott in the corner with a face like thunder , often the case.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Mar 26, 2024 12:44:33 GMT
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Post by anchorman on Mar 26, 2024 14:32:32 GMT
I’ve met Martin through his brother who I know well. My experience is that he is a really nice bloke, down to earth, lived his time at Stoke and certainly doesn’t come across as the big I am. For the record both Martin and his brother are lovely guys!
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Post by SamB_SCFC on Mar 26, 2024 16:26:00 GMT
We used to laugh at Carruthers quite a bit in the 90s but let's face it, he was far better than the strikers we've had in the last few years. At least he got into position to miss chances I suppose. I'll repeat what I said two years ago. Carruthers is way better than the dog shit that have masqueraded as 'strikers' for us over the past few years. How do we continuously manage to buy useless non-scoring strikers? It's not all the poor service that's to blame.
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Mar 26, 2024 16:31:32 GMT
We used to laugh at Carruthers quite a bit in the 90s but let's face it, he was far better than the strikers we've had in the last few years. At least he got into position to miss chances I suppose. I'll repeat what I said two years ago. Carruthers is way better than the dog shit that have masqueraded as 'strikers' for us over the past few years. How do we continuously manage to buy useless non-scoring strikers? It's not all the poor service that's to blame. He really isn’t/wasnt. I liked him but my word he missed 9 out of 10🤣🤣
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Post by SamB_SCFC on Mar 26, 2024 16:33:53 GMT
I'll repeat what I said two years ago. Carruthers is way better than the dog shit that have masqueraded as 'strikers' for us over the past few years. How do we continuously manage to buy useless non-scoring strikers? It's not all the poor service that's to blame. He really isn’t/wasnt. I liked him but my word he missed 9 out of 10🤣🤣 Look at his scoring record. Far better than anything we've had in recent years apart from Brown. Not saying Carruthers was great, he was crap because he couldn't finish. But the 'strikers' we've had recently are so bad that he's good in comparison. Which just shows how bad things have got.
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Post by bertiestan on Mar 26, 2024 16:57:31 GMT
Whenever he went through one in one it was like everyone knew the inevitable would happen n he would miss…never disliked him he just wasn’t great…forging a good coaching career for himself in the lower leagues atm👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻🔴⚪️
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Post by cvillestokie on Mar 26, 2024 17:35:35 GMT
He really isn’t/wasnt. I liked him but my word he missed 9 out of 10🤣🤣 Look at his scoring record. Far better than anything we've had in recent years apart from Brown. Not saying Carruthers was great, he was crap because he couldn't finish. But the 'strikers' we've had recently are so bad that he's good in comparison. Which just shows how bad things have got. It’s sad, isn’t it? I was born in 1992 and pretty much thrown into a Stoke onesie at birth. In those 32 years, I can only remember Thorne and Beattie (first half a season) actually being players that you could bank on scoring when the ball came to them in the box (too young to remember Stein and Sheron).
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Post by lordb on Mar 26, 2024 19:19:07 GMT
He really isn’t/wasnt. I liked him but my word he missed 9 out of 10🤣🤣 Look at his scoring record. Far better than anything we've had in recent years apart from Brown. Not saying Carruthers was great, he was crap because he couldn't finish. But the 'strikers' we've had recently are so bad that he's good in comparison. Which just shows how bad things have got. 13 goals in 91 games
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Post by silsdenstokie on Mar 26, 2024 19:26:57 GMT
Never really rated him to be honest. Pesch and Sturridge were far better strikers during that period
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Post by leicspotter on Mar 26, 2024 19:28:03 GMT
Whenever he went through one in one it was like everyone knew the inevitable would happen n he would miss…never disliked him he just wasn’t great…forging a good coaching career for himself in the lower leagues atm👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻🔴⚪️ I like Martin, always happy to chat and seems a genuinely good guy, but, as you say, his "one-on-one" record was not good. All the more frustrating 'cos he DID get into those positions quite often. When he was at Peterborough some of the fans coined the phrase "to Carruthers it up", based on the frequency with which he would fail to convert said "one-on-ones". I think Posh fans still liked him though
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Post by SamB_SCFC on Mar 26, 2024 20:28:32 GMT
Look at his scoring record. Far better than anything we've had in recent years apart from Brown. Not saying Carruthers was great, he was crap because he couldn't finish. But the 'strikers' we've had recently are so bad that he's good in comparison. Which just shows how bad things have got. 13 goals in 91 games Still beats anyone we've had recently apart from Brown and Fletcher. Which is so very, very sad.
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Post by SamB_SCFC on Mar 26, 2024 20:29:45 GMT
Whenever he went through one in one it was like everyone knew the inevitable would happen n he would miss…never disliked him he just wasn’t great…forging a good coaching career for himself in the lower leagues atm👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻🔴⚪️ I like Martin, always happy to chat and seems a genuinely good guy, but, as you say, his "one-on-one" record was not good. All the more frustrating 'cos he DID get into those positions quite often. When he was at Peterborough some of the fans coined the phrase "to Carruthers it up", based on the frequency with which he would fail to convert said "one-on-ones". I think Posh fans still liked him though Didn't The Oatcake fanzine nickname him 'fucking hell Carruthers' or am I imagining that?
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Post by Gob Bluth on Mar 26, 2024 20:49:55 GMT
The thought that we went from Gayle, Carruthers and Scott to Peschisolido, Sheron and Sturridge in such a short period of time is the only thing that keeps me going at the moment.
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Post by silsdenstokie on Mar 26, 2024 21:01:10 GMT
The thought that we went from Gayle, Carruthers and Scott to Peschisolido, Sheron and Sturridge in such a short period of time is the only thing that keeps me going at the moment. Sturridge and Sheron were dynamite together in that 95/96 season. Such a shame about Sturridges injuries as he was a cracking little player
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Post by SamB_SCFC on Mar 26, 2024 21:07:05 GMT
The thought that we went from Gayle, Carruthers and Scott to Peschisolido, Sheron and Sturridge in such a short period of time is the only thing that keeps me going at the moment. Still think I'd take Gayle, Carruthers and Scott over our current forward line though . Christ we're shit.
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Post by lagwafis on Mar 26, 2024 21:50:47 GMT
I like Martin, always happy to chat and seems a genuinely good guy, but, as you say, his "one-on-one" record was not good. All the more frustrating 'cos he DID get into those positions quite often. When he was at Peterborough some of the fans coined the phrase "to Carruthers it up", based on the frequency with which he would fail to convert said "one-on-ones". I think Posh fans still liked him though Didn't The Oatcake fanzine nickname him 'fucking hell Carruthers' or am I imagining that? If I remember right a Stoke fan wrote to the Oatcake saying he was going to have "fucking hell Carruthers" etched on his headstone. I always keep a look out for it when I'm walking through local church yards.
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Post by lordb on Mar 27, 2024 8:22:41 GMT
Still beats anyone we've had recently apart from Brown and Fletcher. Which is so very, very sad. Nick Powell got 21 in 111 not playing up front (very often) Campbell has 29 in 140 Lewis Baker has 17 in 80 from midfield (OK a lot of pens, can't imagine MC being as good as pens, unsurprisingly he wasn't on pen duty) James McLean, playing wide, got just 1 less Clucas got 18 in 131 Even Sam Vokes got 8 in 78 obviously shit but a better ratio than Carruthers I'd argue MC was playing in a better side too The other factor is quality of chances There aren't many players who have missed such high quality chances than MC, only player I've ever seen go round keeper and miss open goal twice
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Post by lordb on Mar 27, 2024 8:23:40 GMT
The thought that we went from Gayle, Carruthers and Scott to Peschisolido, Sheron and Sturridge in such a short period of time is the only thing that keeps me going at the moment. Still think I'd take Gayle, Carruthers and Scott over our current forward line though . Christ we're shit. Keith Scott was even worse than Carruthers worse than Vokes given the chances he had
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Post by SamB_SCFC on Mar 27, 2024 13:56:37 GMT
Still beats anyone we've had recently apart from Brown and Fletcher. Which is so very, very sad. Nick Powell got 21 in 111 not playing up front (very often) Campbell has 29 in 140 Lewis Baker has 17 in 80 from midfield (OK a lot of pens, can't imagine MC being as good as pens, unsurprisingly he wasn't on pen duty) James McLean, playing wide, got just 1 less Clucas got 18 in 131 Even Sam Vokes got 8 in 78 obviously shit but a better ratio than Carruthers I'd argue MC was playing in a better side too The other factor is quality of chances There aren't many players who have missed such high quality chances than MC, only player I've ever seen go round keeper and miss open goal twice Although all that is true, only Campbell and Vokes are actually proper strikers and Vokes' record is only fractionally better. What it does illustrate is how consistently shit our strikers have been over so many decades . In my lifetime I can honestly say the only truly decent goalscoring strikers I've seen are Biggins, Stein, Sheron, Thorne and Beattie. Fuller wasn't really a goalscoring striker more a creator who weighed in with his fair share. Akinbiyi probably gets an honourable mention. But that's it. And it's incredibly slim pickings from the year 2000 onwards.
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Post by noustie on Mar 27, 2024 14:03:44 GMT
Still think I'd take Gayle, Carruthers and Scott over our current forward line though . Christ we're shit. Keith Scott was even worse than Carruthers worse than Vokes given the chances he had I remember being involved in a premature mental at the back of the Boothen when the ball came to him 6 yards out and he somehow conspired to clear the roof! Carruthers always seemed to hit the target but unfortunately his target always seemed to be hitting it straight at the goalkeeper. Much preferred him to Scott though - Scott never seemed like he wanted to be there whereas Carruthers seemed to give a shit.
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Post by lordb on Mar 27, 2024 15:05:29 GMT
Nick Powell got 21 in 111 not playing up front (very often) Campbell has 29 in 140 Lewis Baker has 17 in 80 from midfield (OK a lot of pens, can't imagine MC being as good as pens, unsurprisingly he wasn't on pen duty) James McLean, playing wide, got just 1 less Clucas got 18 in 131 Even Sam Vokes got 8 in 78 obviously shit but a better ratio than Carruthers I'd argue MC was playing in a better side too The other factor is quality of chances There aren't many players who have missed such high quality chances than MC, only player I've ever seen go round keeper and miss open goal twice Although all that is true, only Campbell and Vokes are actually proper strikers and Vokes' record is only fractionally better. What it does illustrate is how consistently shit our strikers have been over so many decades . In my lifetime I can honestly say the only truly decent goalscoring strikers I've seen are Biggins, Stein, Sheron, Thorne and Beattie. Fuller wasn't really a goalscoring striker more a creator who weighed in with his fair share. Akinbiyi probably gets an honourable mention. But that's it. And it's incredibly slim pickings from the year 2000 onwards. Ah I see Specifically re central strikers yes slim pickings Re Fuller given he was a 1 man attack under the second most defensive minded manager in living memory would argue his goal tally was actually very impressive MC was a terrible finisher though
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Post by onionman on Mar 27, 2024 15:38:44 GMT
Imagine if XG was around when Carruthers was playing. He'd have broken the computer.
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Post by SamB_SCFC on Mar 27, 2024 15:39:57 GMT
Keith Scott was even worse than Carruthers worse than Vokes given the chances he had I remember being involved in a premature mental at the back of the Boothen when the ball came to him 6 yards out and he somehow conspired to clear the roof! Carruthers always seemed to hit the target but unfortunately his target always seemed to be hitting it straight at the goalkeeper. Much preferred him to Scott though - Scott never seemed like he wanted to be there whereas Carruthers seemed to give a shit. That was the miss that gave Keith Scott his mythical all time shit reputation. It was so shit it was actually brilliant to be able to miss so badly from so close in. Was it against Portsmouth? Would love to see some footage of it but I'd be very surprised if any exists now.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Mar 28, 2024 22:56:18 GMT
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Post by onionman on Mar 29, 2024 4:11:40 GMT
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