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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jan 19, 2023 18:04:46 GMT
Id send all the loanees back if it were me...... Just think logically for a second - these are players that ARENT GOOD ENOUGH TO GET INTO THEIR PARENT CLUBS TEAM ! Id brng a load of our U21's in and start a conveyor belt of talent coming through. ( Right...where did I leave JC's mobile number...I'm gonna give him a call) The loanees parent clubs are Premier League - our U21s most of our U21s aren no where near their level. Rely on our U21s and we are down. Rely on them next year having been relegated well get relegated again. |
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Post by nott1 on Jan 19, 2023 18:06:09 GMT
They want £7m for a bog standard far from outstanding goalie?
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Post by anchorman on Jan 19, 2023 18:09:53 GMT
So here we go again, our best players being hoovered up (OK we've only got one in Soutter), just like Collins was last year and all we have got to show for it is a shit show squad of our own players and a the same shit show of loanees because we have no idea how to run a football club as a business rather than a plaything and refuse to modernise and professionalise our club structure along the lines of many upwardly mobile clubs that have sailed past us with much less disposable income. I would hope the money we get from the sale of Soutter is used wisely and improves use, but it's much more hope than expectation. What a sorry state this club is in and it all points to our benefactors, it doesn't matter how much they love the club, they seem incapable of making the right calls and learning the lessons from the past 5/6 years. They don't need to sell, that would be the death knell for the club at this moment probably, all they need to do is hand over the strategic running of the club to professional football people, set them targets, short, medium and long term which they live or die by. In other words modernise and run the club like any other successful club or business. I won't hold my breath. 100% Agree. I keep saying this..John Coates is not capable of running Stoke City FC & he needs to recognise that, accept it and bring in top professional football people and fast. We're staring down the barrel of League 1 and possibly League 2 if he and the club continue along this path. It's embarrassing, it's tragic and it is an utter complete shit show of the very highest order. |
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Post by somersetstokie on Jan 19, 2023 18:18:59 GMT
We are in the shit, plenty of outgoings nowt in return! Given the situation we're in we need the outs to get some in. I fully expect to have the second coming of the Messiah, before we get to signing a decent player! |
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jan 19, 2023 18:26:17 GMT
How can we sell Souttar when we are in a relegation scrap, we are near bottom of the championship ffs. if the club are relying on the Souttar deal to bring players in then we are well and truly fucked. In our position and with this window, what player of any caliber is going to come to stoke. We need Souttar here to give us a chance of surviving Souttar isn't good enough to keep this squad up. In fact no one CB is - we need some major surgery just to give us a fighting chance and the only way we can do that is by having the money for Souttar to spend. His performances in the World Cup were remarkable for a relatively inexperienced CB recovering from a major injury. His performances for us since his return have been what you would expect of a relatively inexperienced CB recovering from a major injury - a bit shaky. A Premier League club is going to have the time and patience to ease him back to his full potential. We don't have that luxury. In addition to dump that level of expectation and responsibility on a lad recovering from injury and learning his trade would be irresponsible and at the same time denying him a move to a Premier League club is from the Roy Keane school of motivational management. Pinning our hopes on Souttar is just dewey eyed wishful thinking. Sounds great but its a really bad idea if you take away the sentiment. |
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Post by 1982stokie on Jan 19, 2023 18:34:29 GMT
The offer of 10 million is another sign that being a Stoke player seems to knock the value down by 50 to 60 percent
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Post by a on Jan 19, 2023 18:36:55 GMT
Things are moving... Leicester have made an offer, around 10-million pounds: Stoke is not satisfied by this fee and talks will keep going on. Quite a way off the £30-40mil some thought he’d fetch 🤣 |
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Post by chopperscfc on Jan 19, 2023 18:41:11 GMT
I think the manager deserves credit. No Pre season, no transfer window apart from this one, which in hindsight is mid season and not really best timing for managers and clubs. Inherited a shite squad with no players of his choice so he’s had to make do with what he’s got from September to now. He’s stamped his authority by in this window mid season turning round and sending absolute shite transfers and loans back to where they’ve come from and told players they’re not needed (flint and bursik). In realistic terms and people might not like it but in footballing terms too, he’s not going to turn the season around really without a preseason and his own clear out, this season needs writing off and judge him from next season unless a miraculous turnaround happens and we make the play offs which would be a bonus.
Unfortunately we have some of the fan base that think it’s Fifa or football manager and we miraculously should win 6-7 games on the bounce. It doesn’t work that way. Especially with a dog shit squad he’s inherited.
I have full faith in this guy and he’s full of confidence when it’s going right and takes full responsibility when it goes wrong.
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Post by roylandstoke on Jan 19, 2023 18:41:22 GMT
Selling Souttar for£10M would be as stupid as spending £30M on Wimmer and Berahino.
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Post by chopperscfc on Jan 19, 2023 18:42:55 GMT
Selling Souttar for£10M would be as stupid as spending £30M on Wimmer and Berahino. Think they’ve said they’d be happy at £10m |
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Post by LGH87 on Jan 19, 2023 18:43:15 GMT
Oh and we’ve absolutely fucked it with FFO unless we sell souttar too So we overspent in the summer then? The Gayle deal looks worse and worse as the each day passes by |
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Post by nott1 on Jan 19, 2023 18:44:23 GMT
Things are moving... Leicester have made an offer, around 10-million pounds: Stoke is not satisfied by this fee and talks will keep going on. Quite a way off the £30-40mil some thought he’d fetch 🤣 Is he really worth much more than they offered? I doubt it! |
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Post by LGH87 on Jan 19, 2023 18:44:36 GMT
I think the manager deserves credit. No Pre season, no transfer window apart from this one, which in hindsight is mid season and not really best timing for managers and clubs. Inherited a shite squad with no players of his choice so he’s had to make do with what he’s got from September to now. He’s stamped his authority by in this window mid season turning round and sending absolute shite transfers and loans back to where they’ve come from and told players they’re not needed (flint and bursik). In realistic terms and people might not like it but in footballing terms too, he’s not going to turn the season around really without a preseason and his own clear out, this season needs writing off and judge him from next season unless a miraculous turnaround happens and we make the play offs which would be a bonus. Unfortunately we have some of the fan base that think it’s Fifa or football manager and we miraculously should win 6-7 games on the bounce. It doesn’t work that way. Especially with a dog shit squad he’s inherited. I have full faith in this guy and he’s full of confidence when it’s going right and takes full responsibility when it goes wrong. He had a mini pre season with the break for the World Cup and we’ve been worse since we came back. |
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Post by chopperscfc on Jan 19, 2023 18:45:34 GMT
Oh and we’ve absolutely fucked it with FFO unless we sell souttar too So we overspent in the summer then? The Gayle deal looks worse and worse as the each day passes by They need to sell Harry souttar mate. Simple as that |
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Post by chigstoke on Jan 19, 2023 18:48:42 GMT
So we overspent in the summer then? The Gayle deal looks worse and worse as the each day passes by They need to sell Harry souttar mate. Simple as that Fantastic to see financial mismanagement at the club in full swing.
Souttar for £10m, if he goes for that, is absolutely fucking criminal. And if our FFP positions forces us to, we need to take a long, hard look at ourselves for spunking money up the wall.
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Post by nott1 on Jan 19, 2023 18:51:26 GMT
They need to sell Harry souttar mate. Simple as that Fantastic to see financial mismanagement at the club in full swing.
Souttar for £10m, if he goes for that, is absolutely fucking criminal. And if our FFP positions forces us to, we need to take a long, hard look at ourselves for spunking money up the wall.
He's not really worth much if any more! |
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Post by greenhoff on Jan 19, 2023 18:54:57 GMT
They need to sell Harry souttar mate. Simple as that Fantastic to see financial mismanagement at the club in full swing.
Souttar for £10m, if he goes for that, is absolutely fucking criminal. And if our FFP positions forces us to, we need to take a long, hard look at ourselves for spunking money up the wall.
Our recruitment has been dreadful for years now. This goes back to Mark Hughes' tenure. Any fan could have done a better job. Bunch of amateurs and the chickens have well and truly come home to roost. |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jan 19, 2023 18:54:59 GMT
The offer of 10 million is another sign that being a Stoke player seems to knock the value down by 50 to 60 percent It would help if he was English. |
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Post by greenhoff on Jan 19, 2023 18:55:31 GMT
So we overspent in the summer then? The Gayle deal looks worse and worse as the each day passes by They need to sell Harry souttar mate. Simple as that Can we bring anyone in with the money? |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jan 19, 2023 18:55:43 GMT
Quite a way off the £30-40mil some thought he’d fetch 🤣 Is he really worth much more than they offered? I doubt it! Yes, he's at least as good as Collins imo. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 19, 2023 18:56:09 GMT
The offer of 10 million is another sign that being a Stoke player seems to knock the value down by 50 to 60 percent I don't think it is. I just think he's massively overrated on here. |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jan 19, 2023 18:57:08 GMT
They need to sell Harry souttar mate. Simple as that Fantastic to see financial mismanagement at the club in full swing. Souttar for £10m, if he goes for that, is absolutely fucking criminal. And if our FFP positions forces us to, we need to take a long, hard look at ourselves for spunking money up the wall.
We've turned it down apparently. We could do with other interested parties getting involved now. |
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Post by greenhoff on Jan 19, 2023 18:58:47 GMT
Fantastic to see financial mismanagement at the club in full swing. Souttar for £10m, if he goes for that, is absolutely fucking criminal. And if our FFP positions forces us to, we need to take a long, hard look at ourselves for spunking money up the wall.
We've turned it down apparently. We could do with other interested parties getting involved now. Iverson is likely the key component of this happening |
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Post by nott1 on Jan 19, 2023 18:59:23 GMT
Is he really worth much more than they offered? I doubt it! Yes, he's at least as good as Collins imo. I don't see a clamour of clubs trumping Leicester! |
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Post by maninasuitcase on Jan 19, 2023 18:59:30 GMT
£15m plus add ons and a 25% sell on clause.
We wont get £20m so change the deal accordingly in our favour.
Dig your fucking heels in Stoke instead of giving away the only bit of current family silver we have left.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2023 19:00:27 GMT
Souttar actually doesn't play that well ( ten million pounds well ) for Stoke city.
Though he looks like he could be a good player for someone else .
I can imagine him coming up for say a corner kick to Leicester, with someone with a bit of muscle acting as the blocker ( just blocking people from getting to souttar ,in the same way Walters blocked people getting to huth ) and souttar ramming home a towering header .
There are things that make me think it could come good elsewhere for souttar, he might simply be better with better players .
But he doesn't make a big difference to Stoke .
Whether we would invest the ten million quid wisely is the real question. There is no way of knowing the answer to that , but our recent form in the transfer market suggests it's unlikely.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jan 19, 2023 19:00:39 GMT
We've turned it down apparently. We could do with other interested parties getting involved now. Iverson is likely the key component of this happening If they want 5 mil plus for him we should walk away, it would be more wasted money imo. |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jan 19, 2023 19:03:12 GMT
Yes, he's at least as good as Collins imo. I don't see a clamour of clubs trumping Leicester! Clearly you know more than I do about other Prem teams interests, I can only go off rumors, one of which stated Wolves and West Ham were interested as well. |
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Post by robrigo on Jan 19, 2023 19:04:07 GMT
Oh and we’ve absolutely fucked it with FFO unless we sell souttar too What a colossal fuck up the owners have made. |
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Post by nott1 on Jan 19, 2023 19:05:21 GMT
We've turned it down apparently. We could do with other interested parties getting involved now. Iverson is likely the key component of this happening Not at £7m. |
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