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Post by chigstoke on Jan 18, 2023 15:49:17 GMT
Going to be worst window for a very long time MC, you’re meant to provide us with good, positive updates, none of this worst window shite. God help us if we can get no one in. |
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Post by stokesaint1 on Jan 18, 2023 15:50:31 GMT
It really does look like we’re shopping in bargain bins doesn’t it and those saying we have no money to spend are not far off the truth. Very worrying if that’s the case. It's been the case for a while, we spent some hefty wages in the summer on one or two and the others were cheapo loans, I'm surprised anyone is only just realising. What this should really say is that we p*ssed even more money down the proverbial drain in the summer, as we have done consistently for the last five years. The FFP issue is totally self inflicted and a result of gross incompetence at the top. |
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Post by dirtygary69 on Jan 18, 2023 15:53:55 GMT
It really does look like we’re shopping in bargain bins doesn’t it and those saying we have no money to spend are not far off the truth. Very worrying if that’s the case. It's been the case for a while, we spent some hefty wages in the summer on one or two and the others were cheapo loans, I'm surprised anyone is only just realising. I don't get it though. Why sign some of the players we signed ( not even 6 months ago!) if this was always going to be the case (Gayle & Flint big wages/signing on fees) as we'd still be fucked by FFP if we were top of the league on that basis?! It doesn't make sense to me, I have to admit. Even less so if Neil agreed to come here. How did that interview go? "Right, Alex, we'd like to offer you the job but the squad you've got now is as strong as it gets as in January we're absolutely fucked. Good luck." |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jan 18, 2023 15:54:43 GMT
Going to be worst window for a very long time That depends on how well those we get in end up doing. |
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Post by realstokebloke on Jan 18, 2023 15:58:25 GMT
Going to be worst window for a very long time That depends on how well those we get in end up doing. We're actually getting someone then? |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jan 18, 2023 15:58:35 GMT
It's been the case for a while, we spent some hefty wages in the summer on one or two and the others were cheapo loans, I'm surprised anyone is only just realising. I don't get it though. Why sign some of the players we signed ( not even 6 months ago!) if this was always going to be the case (Gayle & Flint big wages/signing on fees) as we'd still be fucked by FFP if we were top of the league on that basis?! It doesn't make sense to me, I have to admit. Even less so if Neil agreed to come here. How did that interview go? "Right, Alex, we'd like to offer you the job but the squad you've got now is as strong as it gets as in January we're absolutely fucked. Good luck." Because being top of the league would mean we'd need very few to strengthen, not the overhaul we currently need. They probably thought the squad was good enough to get to the end of the season without much needed, clearly not the case, and sold him that we'd have some money in the summer. I'm guessing a heafty pay rise helped a little too. |
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Post by LGH87 on Jan 18, 2023 16:00:21 GMT
I don't get it though. Why sign some of the players we signed ( not even 6 months ago!) if this was always going to be the case (Gayle & Flint big wages/signing on fees) as we'd still be fucked by FFP if we were top of the league on that basis?! It doesn't make sense to me, I have to admit. Even less so if Neil agreed to come here. How did that interview go? "Right, Alex, we'd like to offer you the job but the squad you've got now is as strong as it gets as in January we're absolutely fucked. Good luck." Because being top of the league would mean we'd need very few to strengthen, not the overhaul we currently need. They probably thought the squad was good enough to get to the end of the season without much needed, clearly not the case, and sold him that we'd have some money in the summer. I'm guessing a heafty pay rise helped a little too. Does the compo we paid MON & Holden plus the compo we paid Sunderland & his high salary come in to it? Be a pisser if we blew most of our budget on sacking the previous manager and hiring a worse one.  |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jan 18, 2023 16:00:53 GMT
That depends on how well those we get in end up doing. We're actually getting someone then? As it stands I assume so. There's a few on here going over the top, as ever, while knowing fuck all about what's going on. If it does turn out we get no one in then fine, go mental at them but until then why stress. |
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Post by iamstokie on Jan 18, 2023 16:01:15 GMT
Because we have absolutely no money to spend We've just sold a goalkeeper. It appears we're the only team who is willing to let a keeper go, without a replacement lined up. I really doubt we got that much for him tbh , that’s why it was undisclosed |
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Post by iamstokie on Jan 18, 2023 16:01:25 GMT
Because we have absolutely no money to spend We've just sold a goalkeeper. It appears we're the only team who is willing to let a keeper go, without a replacement lined up. I really doubt we got that much for him tbh , that’s why it was undisclosed |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jan 18, 2023 16:01:25 GMT
Because being top of the league would mean we'd need very few to strengthen, not the overhaul we currently need. They probably thought the squad was good enough to get to the end of the season without much needed, clearly not the case, and sold him that we'd have some money in the summer. I'm guessing a heafty pay rise helped a little too. Does the compo we paid MON & Holden plus the compo we paid Sunderland & his high salary come in to it? Be a pisser if we blew most of our budget on sacking the previous manager and hiring a worse one. Not a clue. |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jan 18, 2023 16:03:56 GMT
We've just sold a goalkeeper. It appears we're the only team who is willing to let a keeper go, without a replacement lined up. I really doubt we got that much for him tbh , that’s why it was undisclosed Maybe it's because we got mental money for him and they don't want everyone knowing.... Plenty of signings go down as undisclosed, it means very little. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2023 16:07:27 GMT
The plan seems pretty obvious to me. We are waiting for Souttar to go then spend the money on two/three players who are genuine upgrades (not difficult) on what we have. If Souttar stays we will replace the departing loans with some other loans who hopefully are better suited to Neil's system (whatever that is). If we start loaning players in now and then a transfer kitty becomes available we won't be able to spend it because we've already committed to wages. Obviously we need to have a deadline for the sale of Souttar/Tymon to allow us enough time to make the deals. That's how I see it anyway. Can't see any incomings before next week. It's a dangerous game if players start moving before we decide to accept Souttar won't be sold. We've already missed out on Bentley & Darlow it seems goalkeeping wise. I agree that it's a dangerous game but I'm pretty sure that's what's happening. Neil even said we are trying to keep a dialogue open with players and clubs. The one saving grace is there aren't many Championship clubs spending money. It's virtually all loans so if we do get a windfall we shouldn't have a lot of competition for signatures. I really can't believe we are just trying to get rid of players without replacing any of them. We must be waiting for something to happen. |
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Post by nott1 on Jan 18, 2023 16:08:37 GMT
What the fuck are we dragging our feet for, unless we are seriously confident of getting our first choice. However by which point we could be another home defeat further in to the season after saturday. He's not that good! |
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Post by iamstokie on Jan 18, 2023 16:11:29 GMT
I really doubt we got that much for him tbh , that’s why it was undisclosed Maybe it's because we got mental money for him and they don't want everyone knowing.... Plenty of signings go down as undisclosed, it means very little. Hardly any signings for over 1 mil get put down as undisclosed, and I’ve heard the initial fee is less than that |
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Post by greystokie on Jan 18, 2023 16:13:06 GMT
Doesn't this look like everything is contingent on selling Souttar and, to a lesser extent some others? If that's true I would expect we would be negotiating on that basis and when Harry is sold then deals will be concluded.
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Post by UNKLE on Jan 18, 2023 16:13:09 GMT
What the fuck are we dragging our feet for, unless we are seriously confident of getting our first choice. However by which point we could be another home defeat further in to the season after saturday. He's not that good! But he’s better than Bonham and Fielding I’d rather have John Bonham and Noel Fielding… |
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jan 18, 2023 16:16:39 GMT
But he’s better than Bonham and Fielding I’d rather have John Bonham and Noel Fielding… That would either be the world's greatest Glam Rock supergroup or the start of a whole new genre - Heavy Mental. |
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Post by dirtygary69 on Jan 18, 2023 16:18:08 GMT
I don't get it though. Why sign some of the players we signed ( not even 6 months ago!) if this was always going to be the case (Gayle & Flint big wages/signing on fees) as we'd still be fucked by FFP if we were top of the league on that basis?! It doesn't make sense to me, I have to admit. Even less so if Neil agreed to come here. How did that interview go? "Right, Alex, we'd like to offer you the job but the squad you've got now is as strong as it gets as in January we're absolutely fucked. Good luck." Because being top of the league would mean we'd need very few to strengthen, not the overhaul we currently need. They probably thought the squad was good enough to get to the end of the season without much needed, clearly not the case, and sold him that we'd have some money in the summer. I'm guessing a heafty pay rise helped a little too. Even so, we appear to be struggling to sign anyone. Even just one signing would do, but not even a sniff of that yet. We have a huge game at the weekend and are absolutely on our arse. We have to hope everyone has a worldie at the weekend to help us to a 0-0 draw at home to Reading. Stoke - you are a fucking depressing mess of a club. |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jan 18, 2023 16:18:22 GMT
Maybe it's because we got mental money for him and they don't want everyone knowing.... Plenty of signings go down as undisclosed, it means very little. Hardly any signings for over 1 mil get put down as undisclosed, and I’ve heard the initial fee is less than that It probably is less than that. |
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Post by thevoid on Jan 18, 2023 16:21:56 GMT
Because being top of the league would mean we'd need very few to strengthen, not the overhaul we currently need. They probably thought the squad was good enough to get to the end of the season without much needed, clearly not the case, and sold him that we'd have some money in the summer. I'm guessing a heafty pay rise helped a little too. Even so, we appear to be struggling to sign anyone. Even just one signing would do, but not even a sniff of that yet. We have a huge game at the weekend and are absolutely on our arse. We have to hope everyone has a worldie at the weekend to help us to a 0-0 draw at home to Reading. Stoke - you are a fucking depressing mess of a club. Six Nations coming up thank fuck |
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jan 18, 2023 16:22:58 GMT
Leicester's budget I doubt will allow them to sign Souttar too. They should have an absolute war chest if they haven't signed anyone since 2018. |
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Post by thevoid on Jan 18, 2023 16:25:22 GMT
Why's it not killing every other club in the same manner? It's the board that are killing the club and their mismanagement. Fucking Millwall and Luton spent fee's of £2m+ on players that are scoring goals for fun this season. Whilst we're wasting £20k a week on Dwight Gayle. FFP isn't the issue, the owners are! I share your frustration mate but I assure you FFP is a MASSIVE issue at this time Not helped by self sufficiency in the Premier League, relegation, shitting it and giving a no mark like Gary Rowett the biggest warchest ever seen in tier 2 really It's not like they weren't aware of FFP |
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jan 18, 2023 16:26:16 GMT
It's been the case for a while, we spent some hefty wages in the summer on one or two and the others were cheapo loans, I'm surprised anyone is only just realising. I don't get it though. Why sign some of the players we signed ( not even 6 months ago!) if this was always going to be the case (Gayle & Flint big wages/signing on fees) as we'd still be fucked by FFP if we were top of the league on that basis?! It doesn't make sense to me, I have to admit. Even less so if Neil agreed to come here. How did that interview go? "Right, Alex, we'd like to offer you the job but the squad you've got now is as strong as it gets as in January we're absolutely fucked. Good luck." If you listened to AN shortly after his appointment he clearly indicated we were right up to our FFP limit and would probably breach if we didn't cut costs or bring money in later in the season. It shouldn't be a shock to anyone least of all AN. |
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jan 18, 2023 16:27:42 GMT
Even so, we appear to be struggling to sign anyone. Even just one signing would do, but not even a sniff of that yet. We have a huge game at the weekend and are absolutely on our arse. We have to hope everyone has a worldie at the weekend to help us to a 0-0 draw at home to Reading. Stoke - you are a fucking depressing mess of a club. Six Nations coming up thank fuck IPL too can't wait some actual sporting entertainment. |
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Post by dirtygary69 on Jan 18, 2023 16:29:29 GMT
I don't get it though. Why sign some of the players we signed ( not even 6 months ago!) if this was always going to be the case (Gayle & Flint big wages/signing on fees) as we'd still be fucked by FFP if we were top of the league on that basis?! It doesn't make sense to me, I have to admit. Even less so if Neil agreed to come here. How did that interview go? "Right, Alex, we'd like to offer you the job but the squad you've got now is as strong as it gets as in January we're absolutely fucked. Good luck." If you listened to AN shortly after his appointment he clearly indicated we were right up to our FFP limit and would probably breach if we didn't cut costs or bring money in later in the season. It shouldn't be a shock to anyone least of all AN. I don't know the inner workings of it, or when the money from Bursik etc comes back into the pot, but with him gone and Delap gone, that must free up a good chunk of cash?! Fuck knows, all I know is that it sounds worrying beyond belief. |
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Post by nott1 on Jan 18, 2023 16:30:22 GMT
But he’s better than Bonham and Fielding I’d rather have John Bonham and Noel Fielding… Not a lot to boast about, but I have seen him with Forest over the years and he's no Banksy! |
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jan 18, 2023 16:33:10 GMT
If you listened to AN shortly after his appointment he clearly indicated we were right up to our FFP limit and would probably breach if we didn't cut costs or bring money in later in the season. It shouldn't be a shock to anyone least of all AN. I don't know the inner workings of it, or when the money from Bursik etc comes back into the pot, but with him gone and Delap gone, that must free up a good chunk of cash?! Fuck knows, all I know is that it sounds worrying beyond belief. Depends on your situation before the window opened. Our Summer business was basically done then MON bought in Fosu when Clarke got injured and AN bought in Sterling. We could easily have been two fairly meaty wages over our FFP limit. If you've been two good wages over for half a season that means you need to be four good wages under for the next half. |
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Post by cdf on Jan 18, 2023 16:36:10 GMT
I don't get it though. Why sign some of the players we signed ( not even 6 months ago!) if this was always going to be the case (Gayle & Flint big wages/signing on fees) as we'd still be fucked by FFP if we were top of the league on that basis?! It doesn't make sense to me, I have to admit. Even less so if Neil agreed to come here. How did that interview go? "Right, Alex, we'd like to offer you the job but the squad you've got now is as strong as it gets as in January we're absolutely fucked. Good luck." If you listened to AN shortly after his appointment he clearly indicated we were right up to our FFP limit and would probably breach if we didn't cut costs or bring money in later in the season. It shouldn't be a shock to anyone least of all AN. Anybody know what would actually happen if the club did break the FFP limit ? Is t transfer ban, a points deduction, a fine or suspended fine? |
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Post by questionable on Jan 18, 2023 16:38:09 GMT
How the fuck are Blackpool managing to sign players from Europe. Millwall's best player was signed for £2m from the Dutch league. Yet we blow most of our budget on Dwight Gayle, 3 years after he was any good. Do we even have any scouts? or do we just watch reruns of premier league years and pick our targets from there? I get the impression that John Coates does the scouting and buys players himself. Sometimes influenced by his wife “oooooh he looks nice”. Are we still in with Beswicks?? |
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