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Post by chiswickpotter on Jan 27, 2023 17:18:07 GMT
All very interesting and completely contradicts what a lot of Oatcake ITKs have been saying regarding FFP catastrophe if we don't sell Souttar. Yes it was hard to see how we could break FFP given 2018/19 dropping out of the calculation, our write offs in previous years and the extra Collins money
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Jan 27, 2023 17:25:08 GMT
All very interesting and completely contradicts what a lot of Oatcake ITKs have been saying regarding FFP catastrophe if we don't sell Souttar. But didn’t Neil say exactly the same thing only recently?
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jan 27, 2023 17:43:51 GMT
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Post by musik on Jan 27, 2023 17:54:13 GMT
What happened with that monster playing for Pboro? Are you referring to Clarke Harris? Yes! 🤠
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Post by Goonie on Jan 27, 2023 18:05:58 GMT
Big target man and I'm confident of staying up easily with the potential, but slim , tilt at the playoffs!
goooaaaaarrrrnnn Stoke!
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jan 27, 2023 18:12:58 GMT
Are you referring to Clarke Harris? Yes! 🤠 He's shit at our level getting on and doesn't appear to keep himself in great shape. No Thanks.
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Post by karl on Jan 27, 2023 18:41:02 GMT
Who else could we sign before Tuesday's deadline?
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Post by Olgrligm on Jan 27, 2023 18:48:48 GMT
Am I right in interpreting that Neil wants to sack off 3 at the back and play with wingers, or is that fanciful?
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Post by somersetstokie on Jan 27, 2023 19:01:10 GMT
Am I right in interpreting that Neil wants to sack off 3 at the back and play with wingers, or is that fanciful? Pity we haven't still got wing options like Doughty, Philogene Biddas or Montando.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jan 27, 2023 19:33:29 GMT
Am I right in interpreting that Neil wants to sack off 3 at the back and play with wingers, or is that fanciful? Yeah I think it's pretty fanciful and neither does it necessarily follow. What if he wants to stick with 3 at the back and play with wingers? People get far too hung up on 3 or 4 at the back predominantly because 3 at the back has come into vogue at the same time as our demise so a lot of our fans have written it off as heresy/witchcraft. Any system which gives you 3 central midfielders is very risky not to match up to imo. So 352 & 433 are easy systems for a manager coach to be their shape of choice 442 343 risk being over run in the centre of the pitch. I don't really think AN has given much indication of what his go to formation is likely to be but I'd put money on it being one that has 3 central midfielders regardless of whether it has 3 or 4 defenders.
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Post by lordb on Jan 27, 2023 19:40:03 GMT
Am I right in interpreting that Neil wants to sack off 3 at the back and play with wingers, or is that fanciful? Pity we haven't still got wing options like Doughty, Philogene Biddas or Montando. Would have JPB back
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Post by Veritas on Jan 27, 2023 19:40:51 GMT
Am I right in interpreting that Neil wants to sack off 3 at the back and play with wingers, or is that fanciful? Pity we haven't still got wing options like Doughty, Philogene Biddas or Montando. No it isn't they were all poor
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Post by retrostoke on Jan 27, 2023 19:43:39 GMT
Pity we haven't still got wing options like Doughty, Philogene Biddas or Montando. No it isn't they were all poor I’m not sure he was being serious 😂
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Post by cheadlepotter on Jan 27, 2023 19:45:29 GMT
Am I right in interpreting that Neil wants to sack off 3 at the back and play with wingers, or is that fanciful? Pity we haven't still got wing options like Doughty, Philogene Biddas or Montando. It’s Dowertee.
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Post by georgeberrysafro on Jan 27, 2023 19:49:23 GMT
Am I right in interpreting that Neil wants to sack off 3 at the back and play with wingers, or is that fanciful? Yeah I think it's pretty fanciful and neither does it necessarily follow. What if he wants to stick with 3 at the back and play with wingers? People get far too hung up on 3 or 4 at the back predominantly because 3 at the back has come into vogue at the same time as our demise so a lot of our fans have written it off as heresy/witchcraft. Any system which gives you 3 central midfielders is very risky not to match up to imo. So 352 & 433 are easy systems for a manager coach to be their shape of choice 442 343 risk being over run in the centre of the pitch. I don't really think AN has given much indication of what his go to formation is likely to be but I'd put money on it being one that has 3 central midfielders regardless of whether it has 3 or 4 defenders. In his interviews he's never said he's set on any system, more that he wants a squad that can adapt to different systems and switch tactics when needed - and for that we need a balanced sqaud which we haven't had in a long time and probably wont have until we have the summer window as well.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jan 27, 2023 20:00:08 GMT
Yeah I think it's pretty fanciful and neither does it necessarily follow. What if he wants to stick with 3 at the back and play with wingers? People get far too hung up on 3 or 4 at the back predominantly because 3 at the back has come into vogue at the same time as our demise so a lot of our fans have written it off as heresy/witchcraft. Any system which gives you 3 central midfielders is very risky not to match up to imo. So 352 & 433 are easy systems for a manager coach to be their shape of choice 442 343 risk being over run in the centre of the pitch. I don't really think AN has given much indication of what his go to formation is likely to be but I'd put money on it being one that has 3 central midfielders regardless of whether it has 3 or 4 defenders. In his interviews he's never said he's set on any system, more that he wants a squad that can adapt to different systems and switch tactics when needed - and for that we need a balanced sqaud which we haven't had in a long time and probably wont have until we have the summer window as well. Great idea in a perfect world. Unfortunately our squad doesn't really lend itself to playing any system well so you'd think with limited time and funds he'd be far better concentrating on getting a preffered system functioning than trying to build plan B,C or D if plan A is itself pretty shit. If he wants to continue playing 3 at the back he needs to address the make up of his CB pool which even with Flint's departure is still ridiculously stilted to the centre position.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Jan 27, 2023 20:06:16 GMT
Singings to-date = Loans. I wonder what the strategy is. Short term and start again in the summer or let’s have a look and if affordable and we’d like well try and sign to progress. Certainly from September I’ve been looking at the squad and thinking “massive” changes will be required for 23/24. Loans returning, players out of contract etc was about 13/14 players.
From now until the end of August will see significant changes and provide an insight into the clubs strategy going forward
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Post by eddyclamp on Jan 27, 2023 20:09:06 GMT
At Neil looks like he sees what we see and is trying to address it
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2023 20:16:00 GMT
Singings to-date = Loans. I wonder what the strategy is. Short term and start again in the summer or let’s have a look and if affordable and we’d like well try and sign to progress. Certainly from September I’ve been looking at the squad and thinking “massive” changes will be required for 23/24. Loans returning, players out of contract etc was about 13/14 players. From now until the end of August will see significant changes and provide an insight into the clubs strategy going forward Short term strategy will be about getting as much quality in as possible without breaking the bank, stay up and build ready for a full on rebuild in the summer.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Jan 27, 2023 21:04:15 GMT
Singings to-date = Loans. I wonder what the strategy is. Short term and start again in the summer or let’s have a look and if affordable and we’d like well try and sign to progress. Certainly from September I’ve been looking at the squad and thinking “massive” changes will be required for 23/24. Loans returning, players out of contract etc was about 13/14 players. From now until the end of August will see significant changes and provide an insight into the clubs strategy going forward Short term strategy will be about getting as much quality in as possible without breaking the bank, stay up and build ready for a full on rebuild in the summer. Interesting and as I said by 31 August we’ll see what the ambitions are
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Post by Maccasbarmyarmy on Jan 27, 2023 21:10:53 GMT
With Gordon going castle could we see Jacob murphy down the bet any time soon?
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Jan 27, 2023 21:15:04 GMT
I’m praying we might be able to get someone in that’s better than Fox as a left back which shouldn’t be difficult. He’s a massive weakness in my opinion as is the whole left side issue.
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Post by Maccasbarmyarmy on Jan 27, 2023 21:17:06 GMT
I’m praying we might be able to get someone in that’s better than Fox as a left back which shouldn’t be difficult. He’s a massive weakness in my opinion as is the whole left side issue. Toffolo at forest would be perfect if money came available from A sale of course
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Post by a on Jan 27, 2023 21:47:24 GMT
Isn’t the whole FFP thing a pain in the arse?!
I have no idea what Souttar is worth but I’d think £12-15m is somewhere close. So if we get that great, if not then we shouldn’t have to sell. But this FFP sword of Damocles seems to linger.
The sad reality is we wasted our chance to bounce back up by :
A) Signing Lambert
B) Spunking the rest by not having a qualified person on the board to steer us in the right direction. (Unsurprising given A) )
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Post by Clem Fandango on Jan 27, 2023 21:56:14 GMT
I’m praying we might be able to get someone in that’s better than Fox as a left back which shouldn’t be difficult. He’s a massive weakness in my opinion as is the whole left side issue. Tbh I’m more concerned by Tymon the bloke can’t defend and runs like he’s got concrete boots. When he can’t beat his man he also has a habit of cutting in on his non existent right foot.
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Post by SuperRickyFuller on Jan 27, 2023 22:12:38 GMT
I’m praying we might be able to get someone in that’s better than Fox as a left back which shouldn’t be difficult. He’s a massive weakness in my opinion as is the whole left side issue. Tbh I’m more concerned by Tymon the bloke can’t defend and runs like he’s got concrete boots. When he can’t beat his man he also has a habit of cutting in on his non existent right foot. It's the cutting inside when he's completely one footed that drives me mad. Shows he hasn't got a single footballing brain cell.
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Post by nott1 on Jan 27, 2023 22:13:17 GMT
Pity we haven't still got wing options like Doughty, Philogene Biddas or Montando. It’s Dowertee. OK Nige.
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Post by y_oh_y_delilah on Jan 27, 2023 22:28:20 GMT
Tbh I’m more concerned by Tymon the bloke can’t defend and runs like he’s got concrete boots. When he can’t beat his man he also has a habit of cutting in on his non existent right foot. It's the cutting inside when he's completely one footed that drives me mad. Shows he hasn't got a single footballing brain cell. In that case, wonder why the manager doesn’t play him on the right . . . . . or is that too revolutionary?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2023 22:40:24 GMT
Am I right in interpreting that Neil wants to sack off 3 at the back and play with wingers, or is that fanciful? AN is tactical and likes to tinker. He definitely wants to be able to play 3 at the back one week and a back four the next week. And even change mid game, which the squad wasn't set up for when he arrived . When Tuchel joined Chelsea he was questioned about 3 at the back ( he often does this ) and said the first thing the players will have to learn is if we start 3 at the back , it stays that way for as long as it's working, but changes to another system as soon as it's not working. I think AN sees himself as a very very poor ( skint ?) Tuchel. He wants flexibility, he wants to be tactical and pick his wits against his rival .
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Post by mrcoke on Jan 27, 2023 23:34:44 GMT
Neil may be dour, but he's starting to bring back a smile on my face.
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