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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jan 23, 2023 21:21:21 GMT
So we will have a Smallbone and Hugedonk? And we wonder why we struggle with consistency. I can see some training ground bust ups between those two. It might knock the mercurial (usually shite) midfielders mojo if a proper dong came in
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Jan 23, 2023 21:26:47 GMT
Early defeat for the new transfer duo. Disappointing. I'm not sure if Wiki's right but it looks like he hasn't made any first team appearances and only 5 for Wet Sham's u 21's.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 23, 2023 21:28:49 GMT
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Jan 23, 2023 21:33:08 GMT
Never trust Wiki.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 23, 2023 21:33:36 GMT
I wonder if they threw us in to make the Sunderland feel better about it re the AN link?
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jan 23, 2023 21:35:26 GMT
I wonder if they threw us in to make the Sunderland feel better about it re the AN link? Like everything else, life is run by the media tyrants so wouldn’t surprise me. Oh for life before the internet!
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Post by somersetstokie on Jan 23, 2023 21:36:04 GMT
We had a Sidwell, not the greatest from memory 🫣 True, but we also had a Sidibe who did pretty well! Many Stoke fans will of course remember the great Sydney Peppitt, who was a locally born English footballer who began his career at Stoke, as his local club. He made his debut in the 1936/37 season and reportedly impressed in the few games he played for the Club over a couple of seasons, but found it difficult to break into the first team and establish his place as his position was held and blocked by one Stanley Mathews. Peppitts career was interrupted by World War II, and he later went on to play for Port Vale.
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Post by somersetstokie on Jan 23, 2023 21:42:25 GMT
Early defeat for the new transfer duo. Disappointing. They probably played well but unfortunately lost their focus and concentration at critical times, and were eventually unable to find a crucial finish, allowing Sunderland to come through with their late and surprising victory. Stoke fans are left holding judgement on the ultimate potential and effectiveness of our new strike team.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2023 21:53:00 GMT
To circumnavigate FFP, the American owners of Chelsea spotted an accounting loophole which allows you to spread the transfer fee over the length of the contract. So for example, as Chelsea have just done, you sign a player for £80 million you a spread the cost over the length of the contract, in this case 8 years. So for accounting and FFP purposes the cost is £10 million per year. Now here’s the rub. Under current FIFA rules the maximum contract period is 5 years. So to get round this, players sign a 5 year contract with the OPTION of (in this case) a further 3 years. After the horse has bolted FIFA are closing this loophole at the end of this season, but in the meantime Chelsea and others are expected to make a number of similarly structured deals before the end of this transfer window. So basically they’re taking advantage of a loophole and cheating to gain an advantage because the rules weren’t correctly worded. If there’s a club that really leaves a foul taste in the mouth it’s definately Chelsea. They really did get away lightly with using the blood money that funded their success. It’s not cheating, is it? They are operating within the rules. Perhaps Stoke should be doing this while we still can.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jan 23, 2023 22:02:36 GMT
True, but we also had a Sidibe who did pretty well! Many Stoke fans will of course remember the great Sydney Peppitt, who was a locally born English footballer who began his career at Stoke, as his local club. He made his debut in the 1936/37 season and reportedly impressed in the few games he played for the Club over a couple of seasons, but found it difficult to break into the first team and establish his place as his position was held and blocked by one Stanley Mattews. Peppitts career was interrupted by World War II, and he later went on to play for Port Vale. Used to play five a side with his son.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jan 23, 2023 22:16:11 GMT
So basically they’re taking advantage of a loophole and cheating to gain an advantage because the rules weren’t correctly worded. If there’s a club that really leaves a foul taste in the mouth it’s definately Chelsea. They really did get away lightly with using the blood money that funded their success. It’s not cheating, is it? They are operating within the rules. Perhaps Stoke should be doing this while we still can. I guess it’s just about playing to the spirit of the game.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2023 22:33:12 GMT
It’s not cheating, is it? They are operating within the rules. Perhaps Stoke should be doing this while we still can. I guess it’s just about playing to the spirit of the game. I agree, but it’s not like they are pumping players full of steroids or bribing officials. The FFP law isn’t really in “the spirit of the game” in my opinion and if FIFA/UEFA/FA wanted the game to be a more level playing field, they’d have introduced laws that actually make it such.
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Post by dirtclod on Jan 23, 2023 22:37:30 GMT
I knew something was amiss when they were snubbed by Elvis Costello.
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Post by lordb on Jan 23, 2023 22:39:46 GMT
Yes they’re all on massively long contracts To circumnavigate FFP, the American owners of Chelsea spotted an accounting loophole which allows you to spread the transfer fee over the length of the contract. So for example, as Chelsea have just done, you sign a player for £80 million you an spread the cost over the length of the contract, in this case 8 years. So for accounting and FFP purposes the cost is £10 million per year. Now here’s the rub. Under current FIFA rules the maximum contract period is 5 years. So to get round this, players sign a 5 year contract with the OPTION of (in this case) a further 3 years. After the horse has bolted FIFA are closing this loophole at the end of this season, but in the meantime Chelsea and others are expected to make a number of similarly structured deals before the end of this transfer window. Spreading fee over length of contract has been going on for decades
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Post by tomcmod on Jan 23, 2023 22:43:39 GMT
To circumnavigate FFP, the American owners of Chelsea spotted an accounting loophole which allows you to spread the transfer fee over the length of the contract. So for example, as Chelsea have just done, you sign a player for £80 million you an spread the cost over the length of the contract, in this case 8 years. So for accounting and FFP purposes the cost is £10 million per year. Now here’s the rub. Under current FIFA rules the maximum contract period is 5 years. So to get round this, players sign a 5 year contract with the OPTION of (in this case) a further 3 years. After the horse has bolted FIFA are closing this loophole at the end of this season, but in the meantime Chelsea and others are expected to make a number of similarly structured deals before the end of this transfer window. Spreading fee over length of contract has been going on for decades This is true, however only now are the contracts running for almost a decade. 😂😂
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Jan 23, 2023 22:49:46 GMT
So basically they’re taking advantage of a loophole and cheating to gain an advantage because the rules weren’t correctly worded. If there’s a club that really leaves a foul taste in the mouth it’s definately Chelsea. They really did get away lightly with using the blood money that funded their success. Guessing like most things in life, rules are there to be broken & like any rule break, they'll always be a legal mastermind trying any which way to breach and expose the rules in the process to gain an advantage. The selling the ground is a common one which used to be breached to limit FFP. Sure Man City sold their training ground/facilities at some point aswell! Properly pushing the boundaries.. Could we not have 10 year contracts with say 10k a week wages provided for in the contract for the first 3/4 years and then a nominal amount for the remaining period (with a player buy out clause kicking in after the 3/4 years had elapsed) You could then spread the cost over 10 years without the financial drain after the initial 3/4 years? Stoke I’ll do your player contracts pro bono 🥹
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2023 6:43:36 GMT
Guessing like most things in life, rules are there to be broken & like any rule break, they'll always be a legal mastermind trying any which way to breach and expose the rules in the process to gain an advantage. The selling the ground is a common one which used to be breached to limit FFP. Sure Man City sold their training ground/facilities at some point aswell! Properly pushing the boundaries.. Could we not have 10 year contracts with say 10k a week wages provided for in the contract for the first 3/4 years and then a nominal amount for the remaining period (with a player buy out clause kicking in after the 3/4 years had elapsed) You could then spread the cost over 10 years without the financial drain after the initial 3/4 years? Stoke I’ll do your player contracts pro bono 🥹 "Stoke City are proud to announce a new 10 year contract for Phil Jagielka" Yeah, nice one Tezzer. Cheers! 😉
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Post by gcamoutsideboot on Jan 24, 2023 7:13:32 GMT
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Post by hcstokie on Jan 24, 2023 7:21:18 GMT
Well he’d hardly say he wants a lethargic waste of space who can’t control a ball to save their lives is he? We’re already well covered on that front.
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Post by questionable on Jan 24, 2023 7:37:59 GMT
I wonder if they threw us in to make the Sunderland feel better about it re the AN link? Like everything else, life is run by the media tyrants so wouldn’t surprise me. Oh for life before the internet! Horrible thought returning back to the paperback options.....
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Post by gingerninja on Jan 24, 2023 7:44:42 GMT
No target man mentioned?😳
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 24, 2023 8:15:25 GMT
In terms of wide players, Boro being linked with Ogbene from Rotherham. Out of contract in the summer. He's very pacy.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Jan 24, 2023 8:57:22 GMT
In terms of wide players, Boro being linked with Ogbene from Rotherham. Out of contract in the summer. He's very pacy. Usain Bolt is extremely pacy, not sure if he could manage EFL Championship football 😁😁😁👍
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jan 24, 2023 9:23:11 GMT
Let’s hope we can see some activity soon and a couple of new signings. Don’t want to leave it too late.
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Post by LH_SCFC on Jan 24, 2023 9:29:14 GMT
It’s not cheating, is it? They are operating within the rules. Perhaps Stoke should be doing this while we still can. I guess it’s just about playing to the spirit of the game. There was a loophole about selling your stadium to your owners. We did it just before it was closed and are likely to escape serious penalties.
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Post by nott1 on Jan 24, 2023 9:35:02 GMT
He can still get up and head the ball and would cause ANY of our defenders a problem at set pieces! And that has what to do with Wilmot being called weak as piss and easily knocked off the ball by the insignificant lathe Miete? The post was about our player being outmuscled by Miete as if Miete is some little weakling when infact he's a considerable physical specimen that would pose a physical conundrum to most CB's. Wilmot had his measure by the second half showing he worked out how he could mitigate the other player being stronger. That's a good thing, some players don't learn as they play and if an opponent has the drop on them it continues in that vein until subbed or the game ends. Nothing. You mentioned Carroll and I posted about him, and pre match I thought he may do our defence some damage, but he was ruled out anyway. On the day He probably would not have done a lot since his team mates were inept!
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Post by nott1 on Jan 24, 2023 9:46:16 GMT
True, but we also had a Sidibe who did pretty well! Many Stoke fans will of course remember the great Sydney Peppitt, who was a locally born English footballer who began his career at Stoke, as his local club. He made his debut in the 1936/37 season and reportedly impressed in the few games he played for the Club over a couple of seasons, but found it difficult to break into the first team and establish his place as his position was held and blocked by one Stanley Mattews. Peppitts career was interrupted by World War II, and he later went on to play for Port Vale. I remember him, decent player, but I doubt there would be too many left who actually saw him play , and I must have seen him just before he finished playing when I was very young.
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Post by Goonie on Jan 24, 2023 10:03:52 GMT
I guess it’s just about playing to the spirit of the game. I agree, but it’s not like they are pumping players full of steroids or bribing officials. The FFP law isn’t really in “the spirit of the game” in my opinion and if FIFA/UEFA/FA wanted the game to be a more level playing field, they’d have introduced laws that actually make it such. You can bet your bottom dollar that if the big clubs felt this disadvantaged them in anyway they'd take this to arbitration Funnily enough none of the elite clubs have done this which suggests it's not them who get disadvantaged but rather smaller clubs and stops them growing to compete with the upper echelons Restrictive practice surely?
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Jan 24, 2023 10:19:32 GMT
I guess it’s just about playing to the spirit of the game. I agree, but it’s not like they are pumping players full of steroids or bribing officials. The FFP law isn’t really in “the spirit of the game” in my opinion and if FIFA/UEFA/FA wanted the game to be a more level playing field, they’d have introduced laws that actually make it such. Exactly. Like a meaningful salary cap for a start.
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Post by FranktheRabbit on Jan 24, 2023 10:33:16 GMT
In terms of wide players, Boro being linked with Ogbene from Rotherham. Out of contract in the summer. He's very pacy. Usain Bolt is extremely pacy, not sure if he could manage EFL Championship football 😁😁😁👍 He lasted about 2 months in the Aussie league 😂
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