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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 20, 2023 20:29:38 GMT
Take away his penalty's and he only got one more than our own Jacob Brown, last season. Like posted above, every time I'v seen him, he misses so many chances and why would they be willing to let him go if he's so important to the team Would we get anyone better on loan though potentially? Even taking away his penalties (and a reliable pen taker isn't to be sniffed at), that's 2 good goalscoring seasons in the last 3 years. If there's anything in it, presumably this would be in addition to a Dykes or more of a Dykes-type. One is an apple and one is an orange. There certainly wouldn't be any point just adding him to a pool of Campbell, Brown and Gayle, you'd think.
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Post by DC1863 on Jan 20, 2023 20:32:04 GMT
I'm fine with Grant if we can afford him, but I still find it frustrating our scouting network seems so limited.
When's the last time we signed anyone from outside of the top three English divisions?
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Post by silsdenstokie on Jan 20, 2023 20:32:52 GMT
Grant on bench tonight and scored for them the other week. Cant see them letting him go
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2023 20:34:08 GMT
Take away his penalty's and he only got one more than our own Jacob Brown, last season. Like posted above, every time I'v seen him, he misses so many chances and why would they be willing to let him go if he's so important to the team Would we get anyone better on loan though potentially? Even taking away his penalties (and a reliable pen taker isn't to be sniffed at), that's 2 good goalscoring seasons in the last 3 years. If there's anything in it, presumably this would be in addition to a Dykes or more of a Dykes-type. There certainly wouldn't be any point just adding him to a pool of Campbell, Brown and Gayle, you'd think. I think ANs comments about making decisions that aren't popular possibly refer to losing one or more of that pool of players. Grant is well versed out wide so you could certainly see a Dykes/Campbell deal in the offing with Grant also coming in, or a player of that ilk. Weren't QPR linked with Campbell last summer too?
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 20, 2023 20:41:42 GMT
Would we get anyone better on loan though potentially? Even taking away his penalties (and a reliable pen taker isn't to be sniffed at), that's 2 good goalscoring seasons in the last 3 years. If there's anything in it, presumably this would be in addition to a Dykes or more of a Dykes-type. There certainly wouldn't be any point just adding him to a pool of Campbell, Brown and Gayle, you'd think. I think ANs comments about making decisions that aren't popular possibly refer to losing one or more of that pool of players. Grant is well versed out wide so you could certainly see a Dykes/Campbell deal in the offing with Grant also coming in, or a player of that ilk. Weren't QPR linked with Campbell last summer too? Yeah - I don't think anyone is untouchable (and why would they be after the horror show of recent seasons?) Wouldn't be amazed if Brown or Campbell went, but it's hard to gauge what the market would be
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 20, 2023 20:45:14 GMT
I think ANs comments about making decisions that aren't popular possibly refer to losing one or more of that pool of players. Grant is well versed out wide so you could certainly see a Dykes/Campbell deal in the offing with Grant also coming in, or a player of that ilk. Weren't QPR linked with Campbell last summer too? Yeah - I don't think anyone is untouchable (and why would they be after the horror show of recent seasons?) Wouldn't be amazed if Brown or Campbell went, but it's hard to gauge what the market would be Still no idea why Brown was touted around in the summer after his high. Campbell could be a gamble for a lower PL club or upper Champo club but only if they could get him cheap. So I’d hope we kept him and hopefully watch him come good and see what happens.
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Post by pistol on Jan 20, 2023 21:01:38 GMT
‘Meanwhile, Grant’s body language and facial expressions do not endear him to supporters. Whether or not they give an accurate impression, the forward often appears a little bit stroppy, and his all-round game has plenty of rough edges.’
Will get dogs abuse here then
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Post by robwahlmann on Jan 20, 2023 21:02:28 GMT
Nothing is Granted yet!
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Jan 20, 2023 21:11:01 GMT
I'm fine with Grant if we can afford him, but I still find it frustrating our scouting network seems so limited. When's the last time we signed anyone from outside of the top three English divisions? Maja?
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jan 20, 2023 21:20:09 GMT
We don't need another wide forward, we need someone to lead the line. Both would be good, it's either a wide forward or a winger, take your pick.
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Post by Billy the kid on Jan 20, 2023 21:35:20 GMT
Hamza Choudhury would be nice as well, currently out of the team at Watford and out of contract in the summer....... He is injured
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Post by iamstokie on Jan 20, 2023 21:44:41 GMT
So your telling me if Harry souttar gets offered a contract at Crystal Palace, he’s gonna turn around and say, “No thanks Mr Viera, I love my home here around the stoke Cheshire areas and will keep my wages at Half what you’re offering, and enjoy the depths of the championship and maybe league one because trentham gardens is beautiful.” Come off it. I’ve seen it in football and I’ll see it again. Marko was a classic example. I’ll give you Leicester is commutable maybe. He's not in a rush to leave, he's happy and settled in the area and is confident he can find a move whether it be now or in 12 months without sacrificing it. He’s happy to join Leicester if we can agree a fee
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Post by thepottereye on Jan 20, 2023 21:46:01 GMT
Take away his penalty's and he only got one more than our own Jacob Brown, last season. Like posted above, every time I'v seen him, he misses so many chances and why would they be willing to let him go if he's so important to the team Would we get anyone better on loan though potentially? Even taking away his penalties (and a reliable pen taker isn't to be sniffed at), that's 2 good goalscoring seasons in the last 3 years. If there's anything in it, presumably this would be in addition to a Dykes or more of a Dykes-type. One is an apple and one is an orange. There certainly wouldn't be any point just adding him to a pool of Campbell, Brown and Gayle, you'd think. I wouldn’t call him a reliable penalty taker. www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-brom-karlan-grant-penalty-25167611I know a few West Brom fans who are hoping this comes off, he is as bad as Jacob brown at playing football, but at least Jacob Brown runs around like Carl Asaba
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Post by callas12 on Jan 20, 2023 21:48:34 GMT
I'm fine with Grant if we can afford him, but I still find it frustrating our scouting network seems so limited. When's the last time we signed anyone from outside of the top three English divisions? Josh Maja from Bordeaux on Loan.. & permanent deal you've got to be talking Peter Etebo back on 1st July 2018! Tough to think he's still technically on our books till June 30th 2023! Think he is officially the last of the old 'costly' guard to be cleared out then..
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Post by iamstokie on Jan 20, 2023 21:49:18 GMT
It’s not toxic though. Which is a shame because it might wake some people up. It's not very nice is it though. And rightly so
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Post by iamstokie on Jan 20, 2023 21:52:07 GMT
Occasionally. But it’s still way nicer than it ought to be. No it shouldn't, I have never understood booing your own team. For me the fans walking away in silence at the end of a game speaks volumes and is all that I would ever do. That’s bollocks , the only way is to make our voices heard
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Post by chamberlain on Jan 20, 2023 22:16:57 GMT
Voices heard at the end of the game yes not during .
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jan 20, 2023 22:21:26 GMT
I'm fine with Grant if we can afford him, but I still find it frustrating our scouting network seems so limited. When's the last time we signed anyone from outside of the top three English divisions? Josh Maja from Bordeaux on Loan.. & permanent deal you've got to be talking Peter Etebo back on 1st July 2018! Tough to think he's still technically on our books till June 30th 2023! Think he is officially the last of the old 'costly' guard to be cleared out then.. Tom Edwards will probably be on a good wage and has a contract until 2024.
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Post by musik on Jan 20, 2023 22:21:58 GMT
After I heard the press conference for the Reading game I changed my mind; we might get 3-4 new players in after all.
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Post by Veritas on Jan 20, 2023 22:28:52 GMT
No it shouldn't, I have never understood booing your own team. For me the fans walking away in silence at the end of a game speaks volumes and is all that I would ever do. That’s bollocks , the only way is to make our voices heard Neanderthal
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Post by nottsover60 on Jan 20, 2023 22:46:51 GMT
Josh Maja from Bordeaux on Loan.. & permanent deal you've got to be talking Peter Etebo back on 1st July 2018! Tough to think he's still technically on our books till June 30th 2023! Think he is officially the last of the old 'costly' guard to be cleared out then.. Tom Edwards will probably be on a good wage and has a contract until 2024. I understood he was on a extremely low wage for a Stoke footballer because he was keen to prove himself here.
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Post by Olgrligm on Jan 20, 2023 23:06:20 GMT
If anybody's bothered, there's a fairly comprehensive stats rundown for Grant here: footystats.org/players/england/karlan-ahearne-grantThis season hasn't been very good for him, but it sounds like Corberan doesn't really have anywhere to fit him into the side according to reports in this thread. He's scored 2 non-penalty goals off a non-penalty xG of 1.31, which is a decidedly average 0.1 xG/90. For comparison, Brown has 0.19 xG/90, Campbell has 0.25 xG/90 and Baker 0.17 xG/90 and we are not exactly a free-scoring, chance-creating side. As an aside, all three of those players have a scoring record that matches their xG almost dead-on. Gayle, funnily enough, has a lamentable xG/90 of 0.04 (50% of players in our league have better), but he's in the top 15% of players for expected assists. Last season, Grant's xG/90 was 0.35, which is absolutely red hot. That puts him in the top 7% of players in the league. However, he did substantially overperform in terms of actual goals scored: 14 non-penalty goals off a non-penalty xG of 9. It looks like the stats don't exist for his good spell at Huddersfield. It does look like he has a more consistent track record than, say, Afobe.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jan 20, 2023 23:26:22 GMT
Isn't it more likely the players have told their club they don't want to stay at a club in deep shit and their clubs have agreed to put them somewhere better for their career development? If that's what happened (and it makes sense to me) Neil's got no choice but to let them go - what's the point of having players who don't want to be there stinking up the training ground? The idea we are in any way in control of the situation looks like nonsense. There is no masterplan - players are leaving of their own accord and we are going to have to make do with what we can get. It makes more sense that we need space in the squad and wages to get players in the manager wants, or do you think all the loans got together and said fuck this we're out of here, you're desperate for it be something stoke have done wrong rather than an on going plan by the manager. At no point did I say the loans had to get together. They didn't have to. They just had to look at the league position, the way they the team is performing and what was going on around them to realise they were were in a club in free fall and got out before it had be an adverse career. And their parent clubs helped bail them out because it wasn't helping their development or their resale value. The manager may well have a plan. The thing is a plan doesn't stop shit happening and no matter how many times a manager says it's all going to plan anybody with half a brain and consequently zero faith in any manager knows they are talking through their arse in a desperate attempt to convince people they are in control whereas in reality it's all gone tits up. I'm not desperate to see Stoke doing something wrong. I don't have to be - it's bleeding obvious they are.
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Post by liathroid on Jan 20, 2023 23:31:32 GMT
Regarding the loans , when they got injured did we send them back to be lucked after ,our did we luck after them
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jan 20, 2023 23:36:10 GMT
It makes more sense that we need space in the squad and wages to get players in the manager wants, or do you think all the loans got together and said fuck this we're out of here, you're desperate for it be something stoke have done wrong rather than an on going plan by the manager. At no point did I say the loans had to get together. They didn't have to. They just had to look at the league position, the way they the team is performing and what was going on around them to realise they were were in a club in free fall and got out before it had be an adverse career. And their parent clubs helped bail them out because it wasn't helping their development or their resale value. The manager may well have a plan. The thing is a plan doesn't stop shit happening and no matter how many times a manager says it's all going to plan anybody with half a brain and consequently zero faith in any manager knows they are talking through their arse in a desperate attempt to convince people they are in control whereas in reality it's all gone tits up. I'm not desperate to see Stoke doing something wrong. I don't have to be - it's bleeding obvious they are. It's pretty obvious the manager is clearing out those he didn't use and/or those in the way of getting in the players he wants, as you say you have little faith in him so you're trying to pin any old nonsense on him with zero evidence that it's true.
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Post by chamberlain on Jan 20, 2023 23:54:42 GMT
Regarding the loans , when they got injured did we send them back to be lucked after ,our did we luck after them Usually they go back to the parent club if it's deemed a long term injury.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2023 23:58:44 GMT
I'm fine with Grant if we can afford him, but I still find it frustrating our scouting network seems so limited. When's the last time we signed anyone from outside of the top three English divisions? Matondo. Maja.
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Post by arniehudson on Jan 21, 2023 0:01:18 GMT
You’re right, Andy Carroll signed a short term contract for Reading in November 2022 to run until January 2023. On the 10th January he signed a new contract taking him through to 2024. In my defence not sure it counts as a transfer but it is activity.
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Post by callas12 on Jan 21, 2023 1:00:09 GMT
Regarding the loans , when they got injured did we send them back to be lucked after ,our did we luck after them Usually they go back to the parent club if it's deemed a long term injury. Typical we kept hold of Abdallah Sima for a season long loan despite him being injured in September 2021 & only making 2 bit part appearances for us 🙄 !
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Post by bgreen13 on Jan 21, 2023 6:38:45 GMT
And definitely don't want their players playing on front of toxic fans every other week. Yeah, let's happy clap yet another home defeat. Moron. See Neil's press conference, moron. Think I'd rather believe a former professional footballer and manager than some no marks on the Internet.
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