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Post by Caerwrangonpotter on Jan 15, 2023 13:10:57 GMT
Post match v Sheffield( 3mins ) I told the players at half time, they looked passive , they looked scared ...they need to go out and win headers , win tackles , win second balls Forget what I told you about patterns of play and tactics! Just compete ! First and foremost compete . If you don't compete you lose .just compete The guy is desperate and talking to the players as if they are eleven But is he wrong? No , sadly , very sadly ,he is right. This lot are so pampered and moronic , they can't even grasp the basic point that in order to be allowed to play,they have to win tackles, headers and second balls Our players must be morons if they need telling this, but sadly they need to be told AN is treating the players like fxckwits and sadly he is right to do so What a mess Players who haven't got a clue or aren't bothered. Sadly what a lot of Oatcake regulars have been saying for an absolute age, not a single player fit to wear the shirt & play with some pride.
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Post by Biblical on Jan 15, 2023 13:13:12 GMT
Post match v Sheffield( 3mins ) I told the players at half time, they looked passive , they looked scared ...they need to go out and win headers , win tackles , win second balls Forget what I told you about patterns of play and tactics! Just compete ! First and foremost compete . If you don't compete you lose .just compete The guy is desperate and talking to the players as if they are eleven But is he wrong? No , sadly , very sadly ,he is right. This lot are so pampered and moronic , they can't even grasp the basic point that in order to be allowed to play,they have to win tackles, headers and second balls Our players must be morons if they need telling this, but sadly they need to be told AN is treating the players like fxckwits and sadly he is right to do so What a mess It’s bonkers that he’s having to tell them to just do the basics, because they weren’t doing them. Competing is a minimum requirement that requires no coaching. Neil has been managing at this level for years and I bet he’s never said anything like that before.
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Post by ursemboys on Jan 15, 2023 13:16:30 GMT
If I was Neil I would come out and tell us out it is and then drop the lazy f keys and play the young lads, if we go down at least we will have tried and not gone down because this lot are lazy f ers who dont give a shit
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Post by Timmy on Jan 15, 2023 13:20:32 GMT
If I was Neil I would come out and tell us out it is and then drop the lazy f keys and play the young lads, if we go down at least we will have tried and not gone down because this lot are lazy f ers who dont give a shit And that would be constructive 😂
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Post by chell_rosey on Jan 15, 2023 13:23:11 GMT
If I was Neil I would come out and tell us out it is and then drop the lazy f keys and play the young lads, if we go down at least we will have tried and not gone down because this lot are lazy f ers who dont give a shit I think the fans are owed some straight, honest talking and I think we'd appreciate it. I also think we're beyond the massaging of the fragile egos in the playing squad. Tell us, in your opinion, what's really going on, Mr Neil.
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Post by callas12 on Jan 15, 2023 14:03:48 GMT
What I don’t understand is that he’s a competent manager at this level. He’s got a good record. Why, when do they come to this club it seems like they haven’t a clue. Managers, players. Just what exactly is is about Stoke that makes people lose their way. I thought he was the man for the job. He may still be. But, with each passing week the situation is getting more urgent. You make some interesting points & it got me thinking regarding things I've heard over this last day or so. Now I'm certainly not advocating that Nathan Jones is completely safe at Southampton & that a few important & suprising wins doesn't necessarily mean that the Saints are going to avoid the relegation battle. & I'm certainly not suggesting we should of stuck with Jones when he was eventually fired by us. To much had happened & he had to move on. I do often wonder if Jones as our manager was a missed opportunity & it was simply the wrong time for him to be at Stoke. Time will definitely tell regarding that. But what has struck me is that his intentions are well founded & he does genuinely believe in his abilities & his style of play to be effective. I heard an interview with Theo Walcott on Talksport on Thursday evening & one with James Ward-Prowse yesterday on MoTD following their victory at Everton. Both sounded genuinely enthused by what Jones had brought to the club & said that changes wouldn't happen overnight, but he has brought a fresh approach to their dressing room & their style & they like what he's saying and doing. Now of course there were rumours a week or so back that the players weren't happy with what he was trying to introduce at Southampton but this may have been unfounded or taken out of context. It could well of been that they were just struggling to adapt initially as his style does seem to require discipline & concentration. I can only judge on what I've seen of Southampton this last week and against Man City in the League Cup last week they looked a very good coherent squad of players & thoroughly deserved to beat Man City. & the same could be said yesterday, it what was deemed as a relegation 6 pointer at a toxic Goodison yesterday & they found themselves 0-1 down at halftime. But the second half they came out & showed character to win the game 2-1. That shows somes cohesion & Ward Prowse said in his after match interview that Jones has given them new belief and a new attitude to playing. Jones has certainly got the fans back onside & he does look to be more measured and controlled in relation to his emotions which is something I'm sure he's taken stock of during his time at Stoke. It certainly isn't a great look walking around beating your chest after a routine League win, to then go & lose the next match. It does look as though Southampton are definitely on an upward trajectory with 3x wins in 3 now incorporating an FA Cup, League Cup & League victory & I'm sure the new found confidence will likely see them move up the league & Jones will be considered a saviour. I guess the point I'm trying to make is that Jones isn't a bad manager, his time at Luton showed us this. The Saints players are genuinely talking, & displaying on the pitch more importantly that Jones is starting to get the best out of the squad he's got. I think at Stoke he simply hit a brick wall. Had the players been receptive to his ideas we may have developed & the enthusiasm Jones showed with us may have come to fruition. The fact we seemed to hit the same wall with O'Neil & now Alex Neil does bring into question that something is seriously amiss at SCFC. Of course we can blame the players but even over O'Neils & now Neil's management spells, alot of players from that Rowett & Jones era have been moved on so its not even as though it's the same group of players who are stubbornly digging their heels in! Alot of the backroom staff have also been changed, numerous times over this period so it isn't even as though its something the coaches are necessarily doing wrong. It's as if the footballing gods have cursed us in some way. But something is fundamentally wrong at our club & it's perplexing everyone what it is and why we can't seem to shift it off. Alex Neil's after match interview yesterday kind of reiterated to me that if he hadn't already realised it, he's now hit that wall aswell & looked at pains to suggest what the cause of it is. Or indeed how he's going to overturn things. There's only so much he can coach or tactically set up a team, when they cross that white line it's them who has to convert their chances or defend the opposition and prevent them scoring. It's bizarre, coz all teams have blips & there's usually something that can be pinpointed as the cause. There's no money, the club has a horrendous injury list, the club have breached FFP (Derby), the managers no good (Bruce at WBA), or the players in the squad are just so poor, there's always a reason and majority of the time there is an obvious fix whether it be a quick fix (WBA appointing Corberan) or more longer term (Derby under new Ownership). We've tried the manager change route numerous times and that's clearly failed. Backroom changes, no good. Players sold/released/loaned out & new players signed, again no goods come of that. It seems it doesn't matter who is managing us, or playing for us, the same issues are persisting time & time again. Which only leaves one thing it can be, the organisational side of the Club, be it at Board level or just below it behind the scenes. The cause needs to found & quickly as the deterioration at our club is seismic & all changes thus far have proved useless.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 15, 2023 14:13:18 GMT
What I don’t understand is that he’s a competent manager at this level. He’s got a good record. Why, when do they come to this club it seems like they haven’t a clue. Managers, players. Just what exactly is is about Stoke that makes people lose their way. I thought he was the man for the job. He may still be. But, with each passing week the situation is getting more urgent. You make some interesting points & it got me thinking regarding things I've heard over this last day or so. Now I'm certainly not advocating that Nathan Jones is completely safe at Southampton & that a few important & suprising wins doesn't necessarily mean that the Saints are going to avoid the relegation battle. & I'm certainly not suggesting we should of stuck with Jones when he was eventually fired by us. To much had happened & he had to move on. I do often wonder if Jones as our manager was a missed opportunity & it was simply the wrong time for him to be at Stoke. Time will definitely tell regarding that. But what has struck me is that his intentions are well founded & he does genuinely believe in his abilities & his style of play to be effective. I heard an interview with Theo Walcott on Talksport on Thursday evening & one with James Ward-Prowse yesterday on MoTD following their victory at Everton. Both sounded genuinely enthused by what Jones had brought to the club & said that changes wouldn't happen overnight, but he has brought a fresh approach to their dressing room & their style & they like what he's saying and doing. Now of course there were rumours a week or so back that the players weren't happy with what he was trying to introduce at Southampton but this may have been unfounded or taken out of context. It could well of been that they were just struggling to adapt initially as his style does seem to require discipline & concentration. I can only judge on what I've seen of Southampton this last week and against Man City in the League Cup last week they looked a very good coherent squad of players & thoroughly deserved to beat Man City. & the same could be said yesterday, it what was deemed as a relegation 6 pointer at a toxic Goodison yesterday & they found themselves 0-1 down at halftime. But the second half they came out & showed character to win the game 2-1. That shows somes cohesion & Ward Prowse said in his after match interview that Jones has given them new belief and a new attitude to playing. Jones has certainly got the fans back onside & he does look to be more measured and controlled in relation to his emotions which is something I'm sure he's taken stock of during his time at Stoke. It certainly isn't a great look walking around beating your chest after a routine League win, to then go & lose the next match. It does look as though Southampton are definitely on an upward trajectory with 3x wins in 3 now incorporating an FA Cup, League Cup & League victory & I'm sure the new found confidence will likely see them move up the league & Jones will be considered a saviour. I guess the point I'm trying to make is that Jones isn't a bad manager, his time at Luton showed us this. The Saints players are genuinely talking, & displaying on the pitch more importantly that Jones is starting to get the best out of the squad he's got. I think at Stoke he simply hit a brick wall. Had the players been receptive to his ideas we may have developed & the enthusiasm Jones showed with us may have come to fruition. The fact we seemed to hit the same wall with O'Neil & now Alex Neil does bring into question that something is seriously amiss at SCFC. Of course we can blame the players but even over O'Neils & now Neil's management spells, alot of players from that Rowett & Jones era have been moved on so its not even as though it's the same group of players who are stubbornly digging their heels in! Alot of the backroom staff have also been changed, numerous times over this period so it isn't even as though its something the coaches are necessarily doing wrong. It's as if the footballing gods have cursed us in some way. But something is fundamentally wrong at our club & it's perplexing everyone what it is and why we can't seem to shift it off. Alex Neil's after match interview yesterday kind of reiterated to me that if he hadn't already realised it, he's now hit that wall aswell & looked at pains to suggest what the cause of it is. Or indeed how he's going to overturn things. There's only so much he can coach or tactically set up a team, when they cross that white line it's them who has to convert their chances or defend the opposition and prevent them scoring. It's bizarre, coz all teams have blips & there's usually something that can be pinpointed as the cause. There's no money, the club has a horrendous injury list, the club have breached FFP (Derby), the managers no good (Bruce at WBA), or the players in the squad are just so poor, there's always a reason and majority of the time there is an obvious fix whether it be a quick fix (WBA appointing Corberan) or more longer term (Derby under new Ownership). We've tried the manager change route numerous times and that's clearly failed. Backroom changes, no good. Players sold/released/loaned out & new players signed, again no goods come of that. It seems it doesn't matter who is managing us, or playing for us, the same issues are persisting time & time again. Which only leaves one thing it can be, the organisational side of the Club, be it at Board level or just below it behind the scenes. The cause needs to found & quickly as the deterioration at our club is seismic & all changes thus far have proved useless. Jones didn’t help himself by making a complete bollocks of the recruitment when he had the chance. He raved about the diamond and then didn’t recruit to it. He also excommunicated players he himself had signed who would’ve been a demonstrable improvement on the players he was playing.
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Post by ursemboys on Jan 15, 2023 14:28:04 GMT
If I was Neil I would come out and tell us out it is and then drop the lazy f keys and play the young lads, if we go down at least we will have tried and not gone down because this lot are lazy f ers who dont give a shit And that would be constructive 😂 well at least we would know what the crack is instead of watching this shit
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Post by Timmy on Jan 15, 2023 15:23:39 GMT
And that would be constructive 😂 well at least we would know what the crack is instead of watching this shit You'd still get people moaning, it's what stokies do.
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Post by ursemboys on Jan 15, 2023 15:27:43 GMT
well at least we would know what the crack is instead of watching this shit You'd still get people moaning, it's what stokies do. Very True
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2023 19:32:46 GMT
If I was Neil I would come out and tell us out it is and then drop the lazy f keys and play the young lads, if we go down at least we will have tried and not gone down because this lot are lazy f ers who dont give a shit And that would be constructive 😂 well the players had a good laugh when they got rid of GR , by refusing to play for him ( though millwall players are fine with him) And the players had a good laugh when NJ was dismissed because the players refused to play for him ( he doesn't seem to have any problems with southampton and luton's players mind) the players were happy to smirk as MoN , took the blame for them refusing to win headers , 50/50s and second balls (as if it's MoN's job to do this for them ) We have seen AN play a sunderland team and a Stoke team at the Bet365 and it's clear which bunch of players will play for him and which won't. Why not , just call a spade a spade, and be done with it . We are not going to be seeing , little pictures of any of this lot joining the oatcake wall paper alongside john mahoney , alan hudson , mark stein , matty etherington etc the fans don't like them , they are relegation fodder and they are all welcome to go
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Post by clarkeda on Jan 15, 2023 20:25:24 GMT
Should have given Dean Holden a chance rather than sacking him on the pitch after the Blackburn win (who were top at the time) . Doing a fine job at Charlton and they had a great game against Man Utd midweek too pushing them till the final minutes at Old Trafford. Can’t help but agree.
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Post by jebbstuart on Jan 15, 2023 21:08:43 GMT
Got to look at the top level, you may have all the money but if one party is not interested and the other is incompetent then your going nowhere. We have not done 'due diligence' checks and have employed some questionable managers and players to the club, we still live in the 1990's with home nation managers and player recruitment, the world of football has moved on. Look at Brentford, Bournemouth, Crystal Palace and Brighton smallish teams but years in front of what we have. I visited Brentford the other day, so much enthuaism from the club staff i met, nice new ground hemmed in on all sides but a stones throw from the old ground, food and pubs yards from the ground, a railway station 100 yards away, look at what we have a got. I returned to see a game there, yes the success may not last but everyone was enjoying it no moans or groans. If you look at it thats what we had a few years ago and we threw it away, what's all the fuss about! was all we got.
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Post by bridgnorthstokie on Jan 15, 2023 21:11:30 GMT
Should have given Dean Holden a chance rather than sacking him on the pitch after the Blackburn win (who were top at the time) . Doing a fine job at Charlton and they had a great game against Man Utd midweek too pushing them till the final minutes at Old Trafford. Can’t help but agree. Would they of played for holden as manager...when they didn't play for him as assistant manager..all that would of happened is the board would of taken the stick for taking ghe easy option when replacing MON.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 15, 2023 22:04:42 GMT
I’ve banged on about the 9 signings MON made this summer but I don’t think he actually made one good signing for us.
Baker was the one. And that’s gone pear shaped.
The 2nd and 3rd ones I’d argue are Jagielka and Wilmot maybe.
And both of them have been poor overall.
Don’t underestimate the damage MoN did this club transfer wise.
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Post by independent on Jan 15, 2023 23:43:33 GMT
I’ve banged on about the 9 signings MON made this summer but I don’t think he actually made one good signing for us. Baker was the one. And that’s gone pear shaped. The 2nd and 3rd ones I’d argue are Jagielka and Wilmot maybe. And both of them have been poor overall. Don’t underestimate the damage MoN did this club transfer wise. What a load of tripe. MON, despite what you may say, wasted very little money if any. Almost all the players he signed were loans or freebies. The couple he paid for, he recouped almost all they cost when he sold them. All the players he signed were on a fraction of the wages of the people they replaced. You can't get the wage bill down any other way and he slashed our wage bill in 2 years. The last figures I saw he had cut our losses from 56m to 28m in one year. Or over £560,000 a week. You don't do that by pissing money up against a wall.
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Post by kjpt140v on Jan 15, 2023 23:45:32 GMT
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Stop it, please stop it 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 please You think he will turn it around? Really? I think we will stay up. The ridiculous thing is that we constantly call for the manager's head. We've had so many managers, two which team's are performing far better than we are. Some of those managers had experience but were not given long enough We now have a manager that has a better CV than all the others, yet we are still not performing. This is not a manager problem, it goes deeper than that, this club needs to address it. The board have been sack happy, sometimes you need to have balls and keep your powder dry. Have a read of Alex Ferguson's early days at Man Utd and, how close the board were to making a monumental mistake.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 15, 2023 23:46:25 GMT
I’ve banged on about the 9 signings MON made this summer but I don’t think he actually made one good signing for us. Baker was the one. And that’s gone pear shaped. The 2nd and 3rd ones I’d argue are Jagielka and Wilmot maybe. And both of them have been poor overall. Don’t underestimate the damage MoN did this club transfer wise. What a load of tripe. MON, despite what you may say, wasted very little money if any. Almost all the players he signed were loans or freebies. The couple he paid for, he recouped almost all they cost when he sold them. All the players he signed were on a fraction of the wages of the people they replaced. You can't get the wage bill down any other way and he slashed our wage bill in 2 years. The last figures I saw he had cut our losses from 56m to 28m in one year. Or over £500,000 a week. You don't do that by pissing money up against a wall. He wasted plenty. And spending money and selling them straight away isn’t clever or good. It shows how shit he was at transfers. The squad has been decimated and what we’re left with is a team that will struggle. His transfer in have been a disaster. He didn’t make one good signing. Baker could still change that. But that’s it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2023 0:04:21 GMT
I’ve banged on about the 9 signings MON made this summer but I don’t think he actually made one good signing for us. Baker was the one. And that’s gone pear shaped. The 2nd and 3rd ones I’d argue are Jagielka and Wilmot maybe. And both of them have been poor overall. Don’t underestimate the damage MoN did this club transfer wise. What a load of tripe. MON, despite what you may say, wasted very little money if any. Almost all the players he signed were loans or freebies. The couple he paid for, he recouped almost all they cost when he sold them. All the players he signed were on a fraction of the wages of the people they replaced. You can't get the wage bill down any other way and he slashed our wage bill in 2 years. The last figures I saw he had cut our losses from 56m to 28m in one year. Or over £560,000 a week. You don't do that by pissing money up against a wall. That would be very impressive if he'd maintained the quality of the squad whilst making those savings but he didn't. This season's squad is far poorer and even more unbalanced. The summer signings were a disaster.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 16, 2023 0:07:18 GMT
What a load of tripe. MON, despite what you may say, wasted very little money if any. Almost all the players he signed were loans or freebies. The couple he paid for, he recouped almost all they cost when he sold them. All the players he signed were on a fraction of the wages of the people they replaced. You can't get the wage bill down any other way and he slashed our wage bill in 2 years. The last figures I saw he had cut our losses from 56m to 28m in one year. Or over £560,000 a week. You don't do that by pissing money up against a wall. That would be very impressive if he'd maintained the quality of the squad whilst making those savings but he didn't. This season's squad is far poorer and even more unbalanced. The summer signings were a disaster. It’s a tough job but he still had a good budget to play with and made high end signings with Gayle and Delap. Two players most of the league wanted. The excuses for him are poor.
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Post by independent on Jan 16, 2023 0:16:17 GMT
What a load of tripe. MON, despite what you may say, wasted very little money if any. Almost all the players he signed were loans or freebies. The couple he paid for, he recouped almost all they cost when he sold them. All the players he signed were on a fraction of the wages of the people they replaced. You can't get the wage bill down any other way and he slashed our wage bill in 2 years. The last figures I saw he had cut our losses from 56m to 28m in one year. Or over £500,000 a week. You don't do that by pissing money up against a wall. He wasted plenty. And spending money and selling them straight away isn’t clever or good. It shows how shit he was at transfers. The squad has been decimated and what we’re left with is a team that will struggle. His transfer in have been a disaster. He didn’t make one good signing. Baker could still change that. But that’s it. I agree that the squad has been decimated. What else can you do with a squad that you can't afford. We had a squad of 37 players on big wages and long contracts who didn't want to leave. We were allowed 13m losses a year under FFP. As I have already said, our losses were much higher than that. One year alone we lost 84million, the equivelent of over 6 and a half times the amount allowed. You do not sign top class players for nothing, especially when you are offering short term contracts on low wages compared to what they are used to receiving. Not in the real world. You appear to think that we can buy the likes of Brereton Diaz or Jed Wallace. I hate to tell you,but the truth is that we can't. Of course the playing staff has disimproved, that was always the plan. I am amazed at the constant need to keep blaming MON for the position we are in. We would have received a points deduction and be in League One only for him. What is wrong with AN managing the team he agreed to manage and making a success of it. Nobody expects the top 6 from him, just safety until he can buy his own players in June. AN is at the game a long time and don't tell me that he didn't know what he was taking on. He is not some rookie who was sold a hill of beans. If he was that stupid why would anyone want him to manage our club.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 16, 2023 0:20:47 GMT
He wasted plenty. And spending money and selling them straight away isn’t clever or good. It shows how shit he was at transfers. The squad has been decimated and what we’re left with is a team that will struggle. His transfer in have been a disaster. He didn’t make one good signing. Baker could still change that. But that’s it. I agree that the squad has been decimated. What else can you do with a squad that you can't afford. We had a squad of 37 players on big wages and long contracts who didn't want to leave. We were allowed 13m losses a year under FFP. As I have already said, our losses were much higher than that. One year alone we lost 84million, the equivelent of over 6 and a half times the amount allowed. You do not sign top class players for nothing, especially when you are offering short term contracts on low wages compared to what they are used to receiving. Not in the real world. You appear to think that we can buy the likes of Brereton Diaz or Jed Wallace. I hate to tell you,but the truth is that we can't. Of course the playing staff has disimproved, that was always the plan. I am amazed at the constant need to keep blaming MON for the position we are in. We would have received a points deduction and be in League One only for him. What is wrong with AN managing the team he agreed to manage and making a success of it. Nobody expects the top 6 from him, just safety until he can buy his own players in June. AN is at the game a long time and don't tell me that he didn't know what he was taking on. He is not some rookie who was sold a hill of beans. If he was that stupid why would anyone want him to manage our club. Lots of the squads in this league that are better than ours have been assembled for far less. It’s not an excuse that washes. Gayle was in that category of transfer. I want us to spend less money and have a recruitment policy that buys low and sells how. I dont even particularly rate Brereton so no idea where that has come from 😂😂 The squad is horrible because of the transfers MoN. He didn’t have to make bad transfers. He just did. The squad he inherited is a bottom 6 squad. That needs to change.
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Post by independent on Jan 16, 2023 0:41:01 GMT
More Bullshit. You do not know what transfers are available to any manager. The squad is not horrible or a bottom 6 one. Most of the players that you reckoned should have got us into the top 6 last year are still here and the ones who aren't, like Joe Allen, you constantly called shit and wanted them out. Why do you keep repeating this rubbish as if repeating it will make it true. Why don't you deal with the points that I made. 1. Do you think that AN was fooled into taking on the job, or didn't understand what he was doing. 2. Did we lose £84m in one year. 3. Do you think you can sign top class players on freebies and pay them small wages. 4. Powell one of our best players wasn't re signed because he wanted to retain his high salary. MON didn't sign him originally. 5. Nobody is preventing AN from getting results with this squad except himself. Please reply to these before raising any other matters.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 16, 2023 0:46:40 GMT
More Bullshit. You do not know what transfers are available to any manager. The squad is not horrible or a bottom 6 one. Most of the players that you reckoned should have got us into the top 6 last year are still here and the ones who aren't, like Joe Allen, you constantly called shit and wanted them out. Why do you keep repeating this rubbish as if repeating it will make it true. Why don't you deal with the points that I made. 1. Do you think that AN was fooled into taking on the job, or didn't understand what he was doing. 2. Did we lose £84m in one year. 3. Do you think you can sign top class players on freebies and pay them small wages. 4. Powell one of our best players wasn't re signed because he wanted to retain his high salary. MON didn't sign him originally. 5. Nobody is preventing AN from getting results with this squad except himself. Please reply to these before. It’s not bullshit. Our budget is still one of the better ones in this league and we have one of the worst teams. 1) he got a massive pay rise 2) no idea 3) you pay freebies bigger wage like we do with Gayle 4) he didn’t sign him. He’s been a good signing so it figures. 5) the squad does that, the squad generally assembled poorly by the previous bloke. We need to get rid of most players. MON was a disaster for incomings. He didn’t make one good signing. The financial situation doesn’t give him a free pass on that.
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Post by independent on Jan 16, 2023 1:01:15 GMT
1. I did not ask you why he took the job. Please read the original question again and reply. 2.yes we did lose £84m in one year. 3.Are you saying that Gayle is a top class player? 4.He didn't offer him wages that the club couldn't afford. 5. The squad is not the problem. Everyone of our players is playing less well than they did under MON.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jan 16, 2023 9:33:51 GMT
That would be very impressive if he'd maintained the quality of the squad whilst making those savings but he didn't. This season's squad is far poorer and even more unbalanced. The summer signings were a disaster. It’s a tough job but he still had a good budget to play with and made high end signings with Gayle and Delap. Two players most of the league wanted. The excuses for him are poor. I think this Summer ruined his record on transfers. His record previously was more than acceptable given the recoup on a couple of fairly expensive deals. This Summer he truly lost the plot.
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Post by hoppo96 on Jan 16, 2023 9:43:04 GMT
The 'focus on competing first not the tactical stuff' scares me.
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Post by banx10 on Jan 16, 2023 9:49:00 GMT
I can't be bothered to keep on reading. 'oh gord, who can save us?' 'no one could save us from this mess'
There is only one person that gets this club. Has the big gob & energy to sort out the players & make them work their bollocks off. Some clubs fit certain managers.
You know who can do the job, TONY PULIS.
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Post by LGH87 on Jan 16, 2023 9:49:16 GMT
Would the board sack him if results don't improve and we find ourselves in the bottom 3?
Or would they allow him to take us down & give him chance to bring us back up, considering they've seemingly hung their hat on him to "fix the club"?
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Alex neil
Jan 16, 2023 9:56:33 GMT
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Post by chigstoke on Jan 16, 2023 9:56:33 GMT
Would the board sack him if results don't improve and we find ourselves in the bottom 3? Or would they allow him to take us down & give him chance to bring us back up, considering they've seemingly hung their hat on him to "fix the club"? Depends how ruthless they are. Past history shows us… not very I think he’s in it till end of season at least, I really can’t see them sacking two managers in the same season.
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