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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Nov 27, 2023 9:48:00 GMT
Absolute disgrace, when that cunt with the hook from Finsbury Mosque spouted his vile shite no one batted an eyelid You mean apart from being arrested and jailed in this country and the US?  |
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Post by Eggybread on Nov 27, 2023 9:52:49 GMT
I was always under the impression that fascism, Nazism or just the plain far right were founded on the basis of disliking Jews and the misconceptions what surround them. Now all of a sudden they are supporting the Jews (how the Jewish community think about this I don't know) and turning their hatred to Asians or more specifically against a specific religion. As troubling as it is it is interesting how the tide changes.
It seems to me that whoever is suffering or in need of some sort of help become the target of the far right. The Caribbean community got attacked during and after the Windrush generation, Jews got attacked after WW2, Irish suffered years of derogatory attitudes and racist attacks, the Vietnamese boat people in the late 70s suffered terrible racist attacks.
Always the vulnerable and always hatred.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Nov 27, 2023 9:55:31 GMT
1. The police didn't arrest him on the instructions of the organisers, they arrested him because they considered that he (and his goons) were (after the violence they caused 2 weeks ago) in their opinion, a credible threat to public order. 2. The organisers didn't believe he was there as a supporter but he was there to hijack the protest in order to push his own agenda that didn't align with there's. 3. Of course you are entitled to your opinion but it is fair to say that it is at odds with the police, the organisers and many other commentators. 4. He wasn't arrested without first being given the choice to leave the area after being given a dispersal notice (which is not uncommon) but he refused to do so. 1. Then why didn't they arrest him on Armistice Day when he did attend as a counter protestor. He supported today's march and there were no counter protests of scale either. He wasn't a huge threat imo. And he should have the freedom to protest in scenarios where he isn't a great threat. 2. I get this but are they able to do/impose that? Given the numbers attending I'm sure there's many other bad apples in attendance too. And the most bizarre thing is neither Tommy, Paul golding, laurence fox, gb news or any of that lot are mentioning this fact. Instead it's pushing the new narrative of "two tier policing" (slightly ironic given the demographics they oppose suffer most from this). 3. Personally I just think it's the next spark to stoke the new culture war topic of the day. "2 tier policing". I think the police got it wrong here. I also don't think there's anything 2 tier about it in the sense that it was the same "tier" whom Tommy supports that seemingly put the pressure on the met to ensure he didn't attend. If it was to do with threat level then there's many other protests where he's been a bigger threat and not arrested. Today it was a low threat level on the Tommy scale imo. 4. I don't think he should have had to leave in the first place unless he was causing trouble, and enough to warrant such a request. I actually agree with Laurence Fox here in this tweet: The only difference is we interpet the 2 tier policing differently. For me it seems that potential trouble makers on both sides are allowed to attend Palestine protests/counter protests and potentially cause trouble with the police being reactive to situations. Yet in this antisemitism/pro Israel (given the number of flags) march the organisers can pick and choose who they don't want to attend and the police will remove them whether they're a threat or not. And as a result the wallys new three word catchphrase for the next fortnight is "two tier policing". The police couldn't give a flying fuck about what narrative right wing mouth pieces like GB News, Golding or Fox are spreading. Their success as a force, will be measured by their ability to maintain public order on the streets of our capital and considering the millions of people who who have took to those streets in recent weeks and considering the malicious provocation from the Home Secretary, they have actually done a spectacularly fine job at maintaining that order. Indeed the only time they looked like they might lose control, was when Tommy and his goons decided to attack the police on Whitehall. You would have to be incredibly nieve to believe that those events from just two weeks ago, didn't feed into the decision of the police yesterday. You would also have to be incredibly nieve to believe that Robinson was only there yesterday to fulfill his role as a journalist and to believe that he was genuinely there not to push his own agenda and I have the utmost sympathy for the organisers having to deal with the Tommy Robinson 'look at me, look at me' sideshow. |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Nov 27, 2023 9:58:24 GMT
I was always under the impression that fascism, Nazism or just the plain far right were founded on the basis of disliking Jews and the misconceptions what surround them. Now all of a sudden they are supporting the Jews (how the Jewish community think about this I don't know) and turning their hatred to Asians or more specifically against a specific religion. As troubling as it is it is interesting how the tide changes. It seems to me that whoever is suffering or in need of some sort of help become the target of the far right. The Caribbean community got attacked during and after the Windrush generation, Jews got attacked after WW2, Irish suffered years of derogatory attitudes and racist attacks, the Vietnamese boat people in the late 70s suffered terrible racist attacks. Always the vulnerable and always hatred. Yep. There's always got to be somebody to hate, doesn't really matter who, especially in times of economic hardship. It's a useful distraction for governments because it appeals disproportionately to the "left behind" in society and stops them thinking about why the country with the fifth/sixth largest economy in the world has so many people homeless on the streets, so many sink estates, crumbling hospitals, lengthening waiting lists, no NHS dentists, in other words why their own lives are a bit shit. Ah yes, it'll be those people over there not those in power who actually have the ability to do something about it. |
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Post by milton58 on Nov 27, 2023 10:19:59 GMT
you ok with old people collecting money selling poppies being intimidated...we can all go on the net looking and searching for things to belittle others.but majority of the posters on here don't I don't think anybody is ok with that. That said, if you're referring to the front page splash about the 78yo poppy seller in Manchester that the Daily Mail and other Tory papers ran ahead of the big peace demo on Armistice weekend, I think that was a load of deliberately inflammatory bollocks. I've seen absolutely no evidence of said bloke being punched, kicked or jostled (and I have looked for it) and, as far as I'm aware, the BTP have not taken the matter any further. I'm happy to be corrected on that last point. People should be very wary of newspapers and other media outlets like GBNews and TalkTV accepting and promoting such stories as gospel. It was obvious that the then Home Secretary, the awful Suella Braverman, was seeking to stir up trouble ahead of that Armistice weekend demo. And the Tory newspapers and media outlets like those mentioned above were only too keen to help out in that respect. Braverman got her wish in that it prompted the likes of Stephen Yaxley-Lennon and his goon army to descend on the capital where previously they probably wouldn't have bothered. Sadly for her there wasn't the violent response from the peace demo that she was desperate to provoke to show how "dangerous these people really are". In that respect, it backfired quite spectacularly as the EDL goons kicked off almost all the trouble. Of course, the right-wing media outlets couldn't have that so they tried to make out it was both sides that were to blame. And while that no doubt appeased their readers and viewers, anyone with a brain could see that, when compared, the "vast majority" of arrests for trouble which came from the few hundreds of EDL type goons against a handful of arrests from the hundreds of thousands of peace demo marchers doesn't provide equivalence. Which disappointing outcome is no doubt why Braverman then upped the anti and went after the police, accusing them of left-wing bias and refusing to amend a letter she'd sent to Downing St. She was trying to get herself sacked to appear as a martyr to the hard-right of the party. By way of complete contrast, did anyone even know about the peace demo that took place this weekend? Amazing how little interest there was from the current home secretary and the right-wing papers this time around! I guess it was a case of their having burnt their fingers once already and not being quite so willing to do so again. Or maybe, without the war, cenotaph and poppy sellers to wind their readers up about, there wasn't anything else they could think of? was referring to Waterloo station on armistice Day anything put in the papers is just to sell the paper... |
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Post by milton58 on Nov 27, 2023 10:34:34 GMT
Absolute disgrace, when that cunt with the hook from Finsbury Mosque spouted his vile shite no one batted an eyelid You mean apart from being arrested and jailed in this country and the US? but how long did it take to convict him...he was preaching hate against the west for numerous years before is conviction....I suppose you think it's ok for someone to live in this country and do this...also how much did he cost the British taxpayer living in his 6 bedroom house which we payed for cause he never contributed any tax... |
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Post by atillathehoneybee on Nov 27, 2023 10:43:08 GMT
Absolute disgrace, when that cunt with the hook from Finsbury Mosque spouted his vile shite no one batted an eyelid You mean apart from being arrested and jailed in this country and the US? Yeah, eventually. But for ages he went unchecked, and was almost untouchable. |
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 27, 2023 10:57:21 GMT
Have to disagree mate, far right fascist nutjobs like him do not have the right to "freedom of speech", dead straight forward for me. I’m not a fan of Robinson as he’s way to far to the right for me in the same way that Corbyn is far too left. That said he’s entitled to his opinion and providing he doesn’t overstep the mark by his comments turning from thoughts / words to abuse or by him deliberately stoking up violence he’s entitled to them. In the same way that others are entitled to have a counter argument. My issue isn’t with people having opposing views it’s the way they express those views and how they look to exploit others into violence or terrorising normal people just wanting a quiet day out. In the case of the incident Milton describes that really didn’t sit well with me as I found it totally disrespectful. That said with the powers available I can see why action wasn’t taken by police as despite the group being very wrong in there conduct there may not have been any dispersal orders available and there were more than likely just to many protesting to deal with with for what they were doing especially when there were potentially bigger fish to fry on that day. It’s just not as straightforwards as people think and there are so many factors to consider for the police to consider. - Resources / officers available - Intelligence on those involved - seriousness of the offence - is it worth taking officers off the street for a relatively minor offence - Room in custody - Media backlash Again, I disagree, for me he is NOT "entitled to his opinion" - if ever people like him where in a position of power you'd very quickly see your right to your opinion and freedom of speech disappear. |
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 27, 2023 10:59:08 GMT
Absolute disgrace, when that cunt with the hook from Finsbury Mosque spouted his vile shite no one batted an eyelid You mean apart from being arrested and jailed in this country and the US? Attila doesn't do facts....  |
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Post by knype on Nov 27, 2023 11:02:19 GMT
I’m not a fan of Robinson as he’s way to far to the right for me in the same way that Corbyn is far too left. That said he’s entitled to his opinion and providing he doesn’t overstep the mark by his comments turning from thoughts / words to abuse or by him deliberately stoking up violence he’s entitled to them. In the same way that others are entitled to have a counter argument. My issue isn’t with people having opposing views it’s the way they express those views and how they look to exploit others into violence or terrorising normal people just wanting a quiet day out. In the case of the incident Milton describes that really didn’t sit well with me as I found it totally disrespectful. That said with the powers available I can see why action wasn’t taken by police as despite the group being very wrong in there conduct there may not have been any dispersal orders available and there were more than likely just to many protesting to deal with with for what they were doing especially when there were potentially bigger fish to fry on that day. It’s just not as straightforwards as people think and there are so many factors to consider for the police to consider. - Resources / officers available - Intelligence on those involved - seriousness of the offence - is it worth taking officers off the street for a relatively minor offence - Room in custody - Media backlash Again, I disagree, for me he is NOT "entitled to his opinion" - if ever people like him where in a position of power you'd very quickly see your right to your opinion and freedom of speech disappear. How apt! |
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Nov 27, 2023 11:16:16 GMT
you ok with old people collecting money selling poppies being intimidated...we can all go on the net looking and searching for things to belittle others.but majority of the posters on here don't I don't think anybody is ok with that. That said, if you're referring to the front page splash about the 78yo poppy seller in Manchester that the Daily Mail and other Tory papers ran ahead of the big peace demo on Armistice weekend, I think that was a load of deliberately inflammatory bollocks. I've seen absolutely no evidence of said bloke being punched, kicked or jostled (and I have looked for it) and, as far as I'm aware, the BTP have not taken the matter any further. I'm happy to be corrected on that last point. People should be very wary of newspapers and other media outlets like GBNews and TalkTV accepting and promoting such stories as gospel. It was obvious that the then Home Secretary, the awful Suella Braverman, was seeking to stir up trouble ahead of that Armistice weekend demo. And the Tory newspapers and media outlets like those mentioned above were only too keen to help out in that respect. Braverman got her wish in that it prompted the likes of Stephen Yaxley-Lennon and his goon army to descend on the capital where previously they probably wouldn't have bothered. Sadly for her there wasn't the violent response from the peace demo that she was desperate to provoke to show how "dangerous these people really are". In that respect, it backfired quite spectacularly as the EDL goons kicked off almost all the trouble. Of course, the right-wing media outlets couldn't have that so they tried to make out it was both sides that were to blame. And while that no doubt appeased their readers and viewers, anyone with a brain could see that, when compared, the "vast majority" of arrests for trouble which came from the few hundreds of EDL type goons against a handful of arrests from the hundreds of thousands of peace demo marchers doesn't provide equivalence. Which disappointing outcome is no doubt why Braverman then upped the anti and went after the police, accusing them of left-wing bias and refusing to amend a letter she'd sent to Downing St. She was trying to get herself sacked to appear as a martyr to the hard-right of the party. By way of complete contrast, did anyone even know about the peace demo that took place this weekend? Amazing how little interest there was from the current home secretary and the right-wing papers this time around! I guess it was a case of their having burnt their fingers once already and not being quite so willing to do so again. Or maybe, without the war, cenotaph and poppy sellers to wind their readers up about, there wasn't anything else they could think of? I thought this was the one being referred to www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12739817/amp/poppy-sellers-victoria-station-surrounded-pro-palestine-protestors.html |
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Post by atillathehoneybee on Nov 27, 2023 11:22:41 GMT
You mean apart from being arrested and jailed in this country and the US? Attila doesn't do facts.... Apologist in Chief alert. |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Nov 27, 2023 11:23:59 GMT
You mean apart from being arrested and jailed in this country and the US? but how long did it take to convict him...he was preaching hate against the west for numerous years before is conviction....I suppose you think it's ok for someone to live in this country and do this...also how much did he cost the British taxpayer living in his 6 bedroom house which we payed for cause he never contributed any tax... You can only convict someone when they have committed an offence. According to the police, Choudhary was careful to stay "just within the law for several years". Eventually, either new laws were introduced or he over-stepped and was rightly prosecuted. You might not like that history, I might not like it either, but them's the facts. I've no idea how much he cost the British taxpayer, I'm happy to be enlightened by you as to what that figure was. If tax avoidance bothers you, there are plenty of examples currently doing just that across all sections of society, but disproportionately from the wealthiest. They cost the government hundreds of millions in lost revenue every year, way more than anything Choudhary racked up, loathsome figure though he undoubtedly was. |
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Post by atillathehoneybee on Nov 27, 2023 11:24:26 GMT
I don't think anybody is ok with that. That said, if you're referring to the front page splash about the 78yo poppy seller in Manchester that the Daily Mail and other Tory papers ran ahead of the big peace demo on Armistice weekend, I think that was a load of deliberately inflammatory bollocks. I've seen absolutely no evidence of said bloke being punched, kicked or jostled (and I have looked for it) and, as far as I'm aware, the BTP have not taken the matter any further. I'm happy to be corrected on that last point. People should be very wary of newspapers and other media outlets like GBNews and TalkTV accepting and promoting such stories as gospel. It was obvious that the then Home Secretary, the awful Suella Braverman, was seeking to stir up trouble ahead of that Armistice weekend demo. And the Tory newspapers and media outlets like those mentioned above were only too keen to help out in that respect. Braverman got her wish in that it prompted the likes of Stephen Yaxley-Lennon and his goon army to descend on the capital where previously they probably wouldn't have bothered. Sadly for her there wasn't the violent response from the peace demo that she was desperate to provoke to show how "dangerous these people really are". In that respect, it backfired quite spectacularly as the EDL goons kicked off almost all the trouble. Of course, the right-wing media outlets couldn't have that so they tried to make out it was both sides that were to blame. And while that no doubt appeased their readers and viewers, anyone with a brain could see that, when compared, the "vast majority" of arrests for trouble which came from the few hundreds of EDL type goons against a handful of arrests from the hundreds of thousands of peace demo marchers doesn't provide equivalence. Which disappointing outcome is no doubt why Braverman then upped the anti and went after the police, accusing them of left-wing bias and refusing to amend a letter she'd sent to Downing St. She was trying to get herself sacked to appear as a martyr to the hard-right of the party. By way of complete contrast, did anyone even know about the peace demo that took place this weekend? Amazing how little interest there was from the current home secretary and the right-wing papers this time around! I guess it was a case of their having burnt their fingers once already and not being quite so willing to do so again. Or maybe, without the war, cenotaph and poppy sellers to wind their readers up about, there wasn't anything else they could think of? I thought this was the one being referred to www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12739817/amp/poppy-sellers-victoria-station-surrounded-pro-palestine-protestors.htmlCareful Cobs....You are going against the Loony Left narrative there... |
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 27, 2023 11:24:50 GMT
Again, I disagree, for me he is NOT "entitled to his opinion" - if ever people like him where in a position of power you'd very quickly see your right to your opinion and freedom of speech disappear. How apt! WTAF are you banging your gums about now mate? |
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Post by atillathehoneybee on Nov 27, 2023 11:26:58 GMT
but how long did it take to convict him...he was preaching hate against the west for numerous years before is conviction....I suppose you think it's ok for someone to live in this country and do this...also how much did he cost the British taxpayer living in his 6 bedroom house which we payed for cause he never contributed any tax... You can only convict someone when they have committed an offence. According to the police, Choudhary was careful to stay "just within the law for several years". Eventually, either new laws were introduced or he over-stepped and was rightly prosecuted. You might not like that history, I might not like it either, but them's the facts. I've no idea how much he cost the British taxpayer, I'm happy to be enlightened by you as to what that figure was. If tax avoidance bothers you, there are plenty of examples currently doing just that across all sections of society, but disproportionately from the wealthiest. They cost the government hundreds of millions in lost revenue every year, way more than anything Choudhary racked up, loathsome figure though he undoubtedly was. But what TR got arrested for was not even close to what Choudhary was spouting in public in plain sight for years. His anti UK rhetoric was appalling, stirring trouble on a scale a million times higher than TR. |
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Post by atillathehoneybee on Nov 27, 2023 11:28:13 GMT
I’m not a fan of Robinson as he’s way to far to the right for me in the same way that Corbyn is far too left. That said he’s entitled to his opinion and providing he doesn’t overstep the mark by his comments turning from thoughts / words to abuse or by him deliberately stoking up violence he’s entitled to them. In the same way that others are entitled to have a counter argument. My issue isn’t with people having opposing views it’s the way they express those views and how they look to exploit others into violence or terrorising normal people just wanting a quiet day out. In the case of the incident Milton describes that really didn’t sit well with me as I found it totally disrespectful. That said with the powers available I can see why action wasn’t taken by police as despite the group being very wrong in there conduct there may not have been any dispersal orders available and there were more than likely just to many protesting to deal with with for what they were doing especially when there were potentially bigger fish to fry on that day. It’s just not as straightforwards as people think and there are so many factors to consider for the police to consider. - Resources / officers available - Intelligence on those involved - seriousness of the offence - is it worth taking officers off the street for a relatively minor offence - Room in custody - Media backlash Again, I disagree, for me he is NOT "entitled to his opinion" - if ever people like him where in a position of power you'd very quickly see your right to your opinion and freedom of speech disappear. Was Choudhary entitled to his opinion... |
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Nov 27, 2023 11:31:10 GMT
I’m not a fan of Robinson as he’s way to far to the right for me in the same way that Corbyn is far too left. That said he’s entitled to his opinion and providing he doesn’t overstep the mark by his comments turning from thoughts / words to abuse or by him deliberately stoking up violence he’s entitled to them. In the same way that others are entitled to have a counter argument. My issue isn’t with people having opposing views it’s the way they express those views and how they look to exploit others into violence or terrorising normal people just wanting a quiet day out. In the case of the incident Milton describes that really didn’t sit well with me as I found it totally disrespectful. That said with the powers available I can see why action wasn’t taken by police as despite the group being very wrong in there conduct there may not have been any dispersal orders available and there were more than likely just to many protesting to deal with with for what they were doing especially when there were potentially bigger fish to fry on that day. It’s just not as straightforwards as people think and there are so many factors to consider for the police to consider. - Resources / officers available - Intelligence on those involved - seriousness of the offence - is it worth taking officers off the street for a relatively minor offence - Room in custody - Media backlash Again, I disagree, for me he is NOT "entitled to his opinion" - if ever people like him where in a position of power you'd very quickly see your right to your opinion and freedom of speech disappear. With respect Huddy a couple of weeks back you commented “fuck off back to Tenerife” re Tommy Robinson. Now I don’t like him either and taking away who he is and what he stands for how’s that sort of comment any worse than the rubbish he comes out with. In the past posters have also celebrated deaths just because they’re Tories or from the Royal family. Where’s the consistency? Politics aside isn’t it about just being respectful to your fellow man and not resorting to abuse / violence because when people start doing that they lose the argument and sympathy of those who just aren’t as passionate about politics or current affairs. I think if we get into rows or protest about everything or everyone we don’t agree with we’d have time for nothing else in our lives. |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Nov 27, 2023 11:31:25 GMT
I don't think anybody is ok with that. That said, if you're referring to the front page splash about the 78yo poppy seller in Manchester that the Daily Mail and other Tory papers ran ahead of the big peace demo on Armistice weekend, I think that was a load of deliberately inflammatory bollocks. I've seen absolutely no evidence of said bloke being punched, kicked or jostled (and I have looked for it) and, as far as I'm aware, the BTP have not taken the matter any further. I'm happy to be corrected on that last point. People should be very wary of newspapers and other media outlets like GBNews and TalkTV accepting and promoting such stories as gospel. It was obvious that the then Home Secretary, the awful Suella Braverman, was seeking to stir up trouble ahead of that Armistice weekend demo. And the Tory newspapers and media outlets like those mentioned above were only too keen to help out in that respect. Braverman got her wish in that it prompted the likes of Stephen Yaxley-Lennon and his goon army to descend on the capital where previously they probably wouldn't have bothered. Sadly for her there wasn't the violent response from the peace demo that she was desperate to provoke to show how "dangerous these people really are". In that respect, it backfired quite spectacularly as the EDL goons kicked off almost all the trouble. Of course, the right-wing media outlets couldn't have that so they tried to make out it was both sides that were to blame. And while that no doubt appeased their readers and viewers, anyone with a brain could see that, when compared, the "vast majority" of arrests for trouble which came from the few hundreds of EDL type goons against a handful of arrests from the hundreds of thousands of peace demo marchers doesn't provide equivalence. Which disappointing outcome is no doubt why Braverman then upped the anti and went after the police, accusing them of left-wing bias and refusing to amend a letter she'd sent to Downing St. She was trying to get herself sacked to appear as a martyr to the hard-right of the party. By way of complete contrast, did anyone even know about the peace demo that took place this weekend? Amazing how little interest there was from the current home secretary and the right-wing papers this time around! I guess it was a case of their having burnt their fingers once already and not being quite so willing to do so again. Or maybe, without the war, cenotaph and poppy sellers to wind their readers up about, there wasn't anything else they could think of? I thought this was the one being referred to www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12739817/amp/poppy-sellers-victoria-station-surrounded-pro-palestine-protestors.htmlI see. Have to say they don't look particularly terrified or intimidated to me but I can see why they would choose to move their stand to somewhere less crowded or away from the sit-in. It doesn't look especially threatening but a couple of still images don't tell the full story. Given the previous Manchester story, I'd not trust the Mail to be doing anything other than shit-stirring on this one too, but without the full story it's hard to form an assessment. If they were abused, jostled, threatened or attacked that would, of course, be appalling and totally out of order. |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Nov 27, 2023 11:33:06 GMT
You can only convict someone when they have committed an offence. According to the police, Choudhary was careful to stay "just within the law for several years". Eventually, either new laws were introduced or he over-stepped and was rightly prosecuted. You might not like that history, I might not like it either, but them's the facts. I've no idea how much he cost the British taxpayer, I'm happy to be enlightened by you as to what that figure was. If tax avoidance bothers you, there are plenty of examples currently doing just that across all sections of society, but disproportionately from the wealthiest. They cost the government hundreds of millions in lost revenue every year, way more than anything Choudhary racked up, loathsome figure though he undoubtedly was. But what TR got arrested for was not even close to what Choudhary was spouting in public in plain sight for years. His anti UK rhetoric was appalling, stirring trouble on a scale a million times higher than TR. That may be. And as I said, maybe the laws have changed. Perhaps even in response to his bile. However, when you said no-one batted an eyelid, that was clearly wrong. The bloke was arrested and imprisoned in this country and is currently in an American nick with no prospect of release. |
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 27, 2023 11:39:34 GMT
Again, I disagree, for me he is NOT "entitled to his opinion" - if ever people like him where in a position of power you'd very quickly see your right to your opinion and freedom of speech disappear. With respect Huddy a couple of weeks back you commented “fuck off back to Tenerife” re Tommy Robinson. Now I don’t like him either and taking away who he is and what he stands for how’s that sort of comment any worse than the rubbish he comes out with. In the past posters have also celebrated deaths just because they’re Tories or from the Royal family. Where’s the consistency? Politics aside isn’t it about just being respectful to your fellow man and not resorting to abuse / violence because when people start doing that they lose the argument and sympathy of those who just aren’t as passionate about politics or current affairs. I think if we get into rows or protest about everything or everyone we don’t agree with we’d have time for nothing else in our lives. With respect Cobs - Yaxley - Lennon ( his proper name I believe) is an out and out fascist and shouldn't be getting any kind of respect - so yes he can fuck off back to Tenerife. In my opinion I don't think this is a time for pouring the oil on troubled waters here - the man is a dangerous fascist lunatic and should be treated as such. Appeasement of these people didn't go that well back in the 1930's if you recall. |
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 27, 2023 11:41:25 GMT
Again, I disagree, for me he is NOT "entitled to his opinion" - if ever people like him where in a position of power you'd very quickly see your right to your opinion and freedom of speech disappear. With respect Huddy a couple of weeks back you commented “fuck off back to Tenerife” re Tommy Robinson. Now I don’t like him either and taking away who he is and what he stands for how’s that sort of comment any worse than the rubbish he comes out with. In the past posters have also celebrated deaths just because they’re Tories or from the Royal family. Where’s the consistency? Politics aside isn’t it about just being respectful to your fellow man and not resorting to abuse / violence because when people start doing that they lose the argument and sympathy of those who just aren’t as passionate about politics or current affairs. I think if we get into rows or protest about everything or everyone we don’t agree with we’d have time for nothing else in our lives. It's also a good job the anti-fascists on Cable Street back then didn't share the same opinions as yourself. |
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Post by atillathehoneybee on Nov 27, 2023 11:55:52 GMT
With respect Huddy a couple of weeks back you commented “fuck off back to Tenerife” re Tommy Robinson. Now I don’t like him either and taking away who he is and what he stands for how’s that sort of comment any worse than the rubbish he comes out with. In the past posters have also celebrated deaths just because they’re Tories or from the Royal family. Where’s the consistency? Politics aside isn’t it about just being respectful to your fellow man and not resorting to abuse / violence because when people start doing that they lose the argument and sympathy of those who just aren’t as passionate about politics or current affairs. I think if we get into rows or protest about everything or everyone we don’t agree with we’d have time for nothing else in our lives. It's also a good job the anti-fascists on Cable Street back then didn't share the same opinions as yourself. Where do you stand on Hammas supporters in London chanting Anti Semetic chants, and the likes of Choudhary and other hate preachers...You have still not answered. |
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 27, 2023 12:13:36 GMT
It's also a good job the anti-fascists on Cable Street back then didn't share the same opinions as yourself. Where do you stand on Hammas supporters in London chanting Anti Semetic chants, and the likes of Choudhary and other hate preachers...You have still not answered. I have no time for Hammas either, which if you'd bothered to check you'd know. |
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Post by atillathehoneybee on Nov 27, 2023 12:26:49 GMT
Where do you stand on Hammas supporters in London chanting Anti Semetic chants, and the likes of Choudhary and other hate preachers...You have still not answered. I have no time for Hammas either, which if you'd bothered to check you'd know. And Choudhry... Odd how quick you jump on TR, but say fuck all about Choudhry... Silence says a thousand words... |
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 27, 2023 12:31:30 GMT
I have no time for Hammas either, which if you'd bothered to check you'd know. And Choudhry... Odd how quick you jump on TR, but say fuck all about Choudhry... Silence says a thousand words... He's in jail ya daft bugger...and rightly so. |
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Post by atillathehoneybee on Nov 27, 2023 12:42:15 GMT
And Choudhry... Odd how quick you jump on TR, but say fuck all about Choudhry... Silence says a thousand words... He's in jail ya daft bugger...and rightly so. But you have never criticised him or said that you disagree with him...Utterly bizarre... |
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Nov 27, 2023 12:55:56 GMT
With respect Huddy a couple of weeks back you commented “fuck off back to Tenerife” re Tommy Robinson. Now I don’t like him either and taking away who he is and what he stands for how’s that sort of comment any worse than the rubbish he comes out with. In the past posters have also celebrated deaths just because they’re Tories or from the Royal family. Where’s the consistency? Politics aside isn’t it about just being respectful to your fellow man and not resorting to abuse / violence because when people start doing that they lose the argument and sympathy of those who just aren’t as passionate about politics or current affairs. I think if we get into rows or protest about everything or everyone we don’t agree with we’d have time for nothing else in our lives. It's also a good job the anti-fascists on Cable Street back then didn't share the same opinions as yourself. Maybe there’s a better option like letting the police deal with it as they did the other day. On that note what big difference have you made that I haven’t. The only difference I see is that we share similar views re Tommy Robinson but you’ve told him on a footy website to Fo to Tenerife and I didn’t. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Nov 27, 2023 12:56:18 GMT
He's in jail ya daft bugger...and rightly so. But you have never criticised him or said that you disagree with him...Utterly bizarre... But you have never criticised or said that you disagree with Enoch Powell, which is equally as bizarre. See how easy that was? 🤦♂️ Just because YOU'VE randomly decided to introduce Choudry into the conversation, it doesn't then mean, that you're now in a position to criticise other people for not criticising him previously. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2023 13:00:28 GMT
He's in jail ya daft bugger...and rightly so. But you have never criticised him or said that you disagree with him...Utterly bizarre... This is such a weird way to go about point scoring conversations. If I don’t criticize Hitler at the beginning of a conversation about al-Assad, is that bizarre as well? Should I be preparing a list of scum at the beginning of every conversation: “I condemn Hitler, Hamas, Choudhary, Modi, Stalin, al-Assad, The Transitional Sovereignty Council of Sudan, Abdel Fattah al-Burhan…….” |
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