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Post by Paul Spencer on Nov 16, 2023 19:23:21 GMT
In what way does it look like a third world shanty town Mutters? Do you think that should be the norm on British towns/streets then mate? Also I never said it was a Shanty town,they were Mr Golding’s words Why are you posting tweets of what he said, if you don't agree with him? |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Nov 16, 2023 19:51:00 GMT
Do you think that should be the norm on British towns/streets then mate? Also I never said it was a Shanty town,they were Mr Golding’s words Why are you posting tweets of what he said, if you don't agree with him? I would have unfortunately described it as the new Great Britain not a Shanty town. I post plenty of tweets I don’t agree with if that’s ok with you🤔 |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Nov 16, 2023 20:25:55 GMT
Why are you posting tweets of what he said, if you don't agree with him? I would have unfortunately described it as the new Great Britain not a Shanty town. I post plenty of tweets I don’t agree with if that’s ok with you🤔 Well no not really. It's incredibly confusing if people post links to stuff that they don't agree with, unless they make it clear that's the reason that they're posting it. What were people expected to think your point was in posting the tweet in the first place (genuine question)? |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Nov 16, 2023 20:35:30 GMT
I would have unfortunately described it as the new Great Britain not a Shanty town. I post plenty of tweets I don’t agree with if that’s ok with you🤔 Well no not really. It's incredibly confusing if people post links to stuff that they don't agree with, unless they make it clear that's the reason that they're posting it. What were people expected to think your point was in posting the tweet in the first place (genuine question)? Folk can think whatever they want Paul,i regularly post tweets on the football side that I disagree with.Some of the time it’s for information purposes as well |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Nov 16, 2023 20:37:37 GMT
Well no not really. It's incredibly confusing if people post links to stuff that they don't agree with, unless they make it clear that's the reason that they're posting it. What were people expected to think your point was in posting the tweet in the first place (genuine question)? Folk can think whatever they want Paul,i regularly post tweets on the football side that I disagree with.Some of the time it’s for information purposes as well So what was your reason for posting the Golding tweet, I'm still non the wiser? |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Nov 16, 2023 20:46:50 GMT
Folk can think whatever they want Paul,i regularly post tweets on the football side that I disagree with.Some of the time it’s for information purposes as well So what was your reason for posting the Golding tweet, I'm still non the wiser? My reason for posting a lot of these tweets is to show it’s not just the right wing that has so called terrorists in this country as a lot of them are proving with their comments. The one about Manchester was one I’d seen previously on my timeline the other day when Manchester was bought up. |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Nov 16, 2023 22:35:47 GMT
Wow
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Post by lordb on Nov 16, 2023 22:48:40 GMT
So what was your reason for posting the Golding tweet, I'm still non the wiser? My reason for posting a lot of these tweets is to show it’s not just the right wing that has so called terrorists in this country as a lot of them are proving with their comments. The one about Manchester was one I’d seen previously on my timeline the other day when Manchester was bought up. There are no left wing terrorists in the UK and haven't been in living memory There was the Bader Mainhoff gang but they were German and that's pretty much 50 years ago If course not everything is left v right IRA and UDF, wouldn't call either left or right Islamic terrorism in UK is not left or right Wheras organisation like the EFL are clearly right wing |
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Post by atillathehoneybee on Nov 17, 2023 7:34:39 GMT
Palestinians protesting and climbing on The War Memorial , not charged with anything, apparently no laws broken.
Had it been right wing protesters I'm sure the old bill will have gone in heavy handed.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 17, 2023 8:39:12 GMT
 Fuck off back to Tenerife you fascist melt. |
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 17, 2023 8:40:38 GMT
Churchill was behind some of the most unsavoury moments in our colonial past - fact. |
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Nov 17, 2023 9:01:12 GMT
Palestinians protesting and climbing on The War Memorial , not charged with anything, apparently no laws broken. Had it been right wing protesters I'm sure the old bill will have gone in heavy handed. To be fair to the police there aren’t any obvious offences other than breach of the peace at a push. If they were being verbally abusive or threatening that’s a different matter. For me the behaviours disrespectful and wrong bearing in mind what a war memorial represents but you can’t create something that’s not there re a reason to arrest. Frustrating though it is. |
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Nov 17, 2023 9:58:31 GMT
Don't be so shocked fella. Have a read up on the fire bombing of Dresden, there's plenty of learned level headed folk who regard it as a War Crime. |
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Nov 17, 2023 10:05:40 GMT
So what was your reason for posting the Golding tweet, I'm still non the wiser? My reason for posting a lot of these tweets is to show it’s not just the right wing that has so called terrorists in this country as a lot of them are proving with their comments. The one about Manchester was one I’d seen previously on my timeline the other day when Manchester was bought up. But the clip from Manchester was just some people observing a religious festival in their calendar. It wasn't terrorism. It wasn't racist. It wasn't even political. It was Paul Golding who would have you believe differently. Paul Golding who is political, is far right, is racist and has done jail time for threatening minorities. |
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Post by atillathehoneybee on Nov 17, 2023 10:27:40 GMT
Palestinians protesting and climbing on The War Memorial , not charged with anything, apparently no laws broken. Had it been right wing protesters I'm sure the old bill will have gone in heavy handed. To be fair to the police there aren’t any obvious offences other than breach of the peace at a push. If they were being verbally abusive or threatening that’s a different matter. For me the behaviours disrespectful and wrong bearing in mind what a war memorial represents but you can’t create something that’s not there re a reason to arrest. Frustrating though it is. Yes...I get that...BUT if it had been EDL the Riot Squad would have been deployed |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2023 10:29:15 GMT
To be fair to the police there aren’t any obvious offences other than breach of the peace at a push. If they were being verbally abusive or threatening that’s a different matter. For me the behaviours disrespectful and wrong bearing in mind what a war memorial represents but you can’t create something that’s not there re a reason to arrest. Frustrating though it is. Yes...I get that...BUT if it had been EDL the Riot Squad would have been deployed Probably because the EDL would be staggering through town, coked up with beers in hand as per usual 😂 |
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Nov 17, 2023 10:32:08 GMT
To be fair to the police there aren’t any obvious offences other than breach of the peace at a push. If they were being verbally abusive or threatening that’s a different matter. For me the behaviours disrespectful and wrong bearing in mind what a war memorial represents but you can’t create something that’s not there re a reason to arrest. Frustrating though it is. Yes...I get that...BUT if it had been EDL the Riot Squad would have been deployed Maybe so I think in modern times there’ll always an amount of discretion involved based around resources and the impact on the victim / wider community etc. I’m sure on a daily basis there’s posts on here re telecommunications that in theory are criminal offences but thankfully are managed by the mods. |
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Post by starkiller on Nov 17, 2023 10:35:07 GMT
Why does everything require a 'wing' label?
Divide and rule.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Nov 17, 2023 11:02:41 GMT
It's not a gotcha to suggest Churchill was a war criminal, you could go one further and call him a white supremacist as well using the evidence in front of our eyes. That's not to say he wasn't a huge part of the WW2 victory which changed the course of history for the better, but he was a complexed character and there's nothing wrong with saying that. Try seeing things from the eyes of a Kurd, an Afghan, a Bengali, a striking miner or steel worker, or an Irish Republican. He was a Zionist but a casual ant-Semite, he was an Islamophobe and a racist, he was borderline corrupt in some of his lobbying with the oil industry. He should be studied warts and all................................ |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Nov 17, 2023 15:02:29 GMT
Fuck off back to Tenerife you fascist melt. The irony of this just doesn't run out  Go back to the 1930s and he and his supporters would've been doing the same as they are now but with Jews as the target, fully swallowing all the anti-Jew migrant swarm guff that the Daily Mail et al were trotting out at the time. I mean hindsight is a wonderful thing right enough, and here we are 80 odd years later and the rightwing headbangers are marching in support of Jews not against them, so how about they stop to think about this enormous volte face for a second on the basis that maybe their hatred of muslims today might also be misplaced and manipulated and that in 80 years' time, all the nonsense they've been terrified into thinking now is similarly a load of old bollocks? |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Nov 17, 2023 15:04:33 GMT
It's not a gotcha to suggest Churchill was a war criminal, you could go one further and call him a white supremacist as well using the evidence in front of our eyes. That's not to say he wasn't a huge part of the WW2 victory which changed the course of history for the better, but he was a complexed character and there's nothing wrong with saying that. Try seeing things from the eyes of a Kurd, an Afghan, a Bengali, a striking miner or steel worker, or an Irish Republican. He was a Zionist but a casual ant-Semite, he was an Islamophobe and a racist, he was borderline corrupt in some of his lobbying with the oil industry. He should be studied warts and all................................ Spot on. But he never is. We won the war innit is about as far as it ever gets. It's not disrespectful to consider his public life in the round. It's sensible. |
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Post by Dutchpeter on Nov 17, 2023 15:43:27 GMT
My reason for posting a lot of these tweets is to show it’s not just the right wing that has so called terrorists in this country as a lot of them are proving with their comments. The one about Manchester was one I’d seen previously on my timeline the other day when Manchester was bought up. There are no left wing terrorists in the UK and haven't been in living memory There was the Bader Mainhoff gang but they were German and that's pretty much 50 years ago If course not everything is left v right IRA and UDF, wouldn't call either left or right Islamic terrorism in UK is not left or right Wheras organisation like the EFL are clearly right wing In my life time (50 years) the original IRA were certainly Marxist (as were the INLA) and its offshoot the Provisional IRA had a socialist political wing. The provos also copied Marxist tactics seen in Malaya, Rhodesia, Vietnam etc with free or liberated areas, hit and run tactics, terror of the local populace to comply. There’s oddities like the Angry Brigade in the UK, Red Brigade and Red Army Faction in Italy, ETA in Spain were Marxist-Leninist. Some of the aforementioned are active to a certain extent. Right wing terrorism has to my mind been characterised by lone wolf or small groups influenced by a core ideology with no real structure behind it. Has there been a large organised, visible and effective right wing terror group in the UK? I would say no. In my time in the military in security briefs, the terror threat was always regarded as Islamic or Irish dissidents. |
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Post by cheadlepotter on Nov 17, 2023 16:22:59 GMT
It's not a gotcha to suggest Churchill was a war criminal, you could go one further and call him a white supremacist as well using the evidence in front of our eyes. That's not to say he wasn't a huge part of the WW2 victory which changed the course of history for the better, but he was a complexed character and there's nothing wrong with saying that. Try seeing things from the eyes of a Kurd, an Afghan, a Bengali, a striking miner or steel worker, or an Irish Republican. He was a Zionist but a casual ant-Semite, he was an Islamophobe and a racist, he was borderline corrupt in some of his lobbying with the oil industry. He should be studied warts and all................................ Spot on. But he never is. We won the war innit is about as far as it ever gets. It's not disrespectful to consider his public life in the round. It's sensible. It’s hardly he won the Cheadle and District Cribbage final though is it? He’s bound to be spoken about fondly, to the point where every bad point is insignificant as he stopped socialism ruling Europe. |
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Nov 17, 2023 18:00:08 GMT
Spot on. But he never is. We won the war innit is about as far as it ever gets. It's not disrespectful to consider his public life in the round. It's sensible. It’s hardly he won the Cheadle and District Cribbage final though is it? He’s bound to be spoken about fondly, to the point where every bad point is insignificant as he stopped socialism ruling Europe. Not at all. It's perfectly possible for any rational person to be grateful for someone's actions or achievement in a given set of circumstances and yet still think they're a thoroughly unpleasant c*nt. Which is pretty much what the country thought in 1945 when they booted him out. The mythologising of Churchill is very much a post war phenomenon. |
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Post by wannabee on Nov 17, 2023 18:02:39 GMT
There are no left wing terrorists in the UK and haven't been in living memory There was the Bader Mainhoff gang but they were German and that's pretty much 50 years ago If course not everything is left v right IRA and UDF, wouldn't call either left or right Islamic terrorism in UK is not left or right Wheras organisation like the EFL are clearly right wing In my life time (50 years) the original IRA were certainly Marxist (as were the INLA) and its offshoot the Provisional IRA had a socialist political wing. The provos also copied Marxist tactics seen in Malaya, Rhodesia, Vietnam etc with free or liberated areas, hit and run tactics, terror of the local populace to comply. There’s oddities like the Angry Brigade in the UK, Red Brigade and Red Army Faction in Italy, ETA in Spain were Marxist-Leninist. Some of the aforementioned are active to a certain extent. Right wing terrorism has to my mind been characterised by lone wolf or small groups influenced by a core ideology with no real structure behind it. Has there been a large organised, visible and effective right wing terror group in the UK? I would say no. In my time in the military in security briefs, the terror threat was always regarded as Islamic or Irish dissidents. In the period you're talking about the Provisional IRA split from the Official IRA in 1969 due to the latter's Marxist ideals They were certainly Socialist but they could hardly be otherwise when their dormant support for decades was reactivated by Catholic Citizens Peaceful Marches for equal rights in an Apartheid Statelet were met by extreme violence by the Police and Unionist Paramilitaries The biggest Financial and Military Support came from Gaddafi's Libya hardly Left Wing. A much lesser amount was provided by Irish Diaspora in Australia, New Zealand, US and Canada I guess quite a few may have been left wing As for the Military Tactics they employed of course they followed those of a previous IRA Military Commander Michael Collins who is acknowledged as the founder of Guerilla Warfare which were copied in Viet Nam, Afghanistan etc |
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Post by Gawa on Nov 17, 2023 18:30:49 GMT
There are no left wing terrorists in the UK and haven't been in living memory There was the Bader Mainhoff gang but they were German and that's pretty much 50 years ago If course not everything is left v right IRA and UDF, wouldn't call either left or right Islamic terrorism in UK is not left or right Wheras organisation like the EFL are clearly right wing In my life time (50 years) the original IRA were certainly Marxist (as were the INLA) and its offshoot the Provisional IRA had a socialist political wing. The provos also copied Marxist tactics seen in Malaya, Rhodesia, Vietnam etc with free or liberated areas, hit and run tactics, terror of the local populace to comply. There’s oddities like the Angry Brigade in the UK, Red Brigade and Red Army Faction in Italy, ETA in Spain were Marxist-Leninist. Some of the aforementioned are active to a certain extent. Right wing terrorism has to my mind been characterised by lone wolf or small groups influenced by a core ideology with no real structure behind it. Has there been a large organised, visible and effective right wing terror group in the UK? I would say no. In my time in the military in security briefs, the terror threat was always regarded as Islamic or Irish dissidents. UDA, UVF, UFF, RHC, UYM to name a few right wing militant groups in the uk. |
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Post by Dutchpeter on Nov 17, 2023 19:17:54 GMT
In my life time (50 years) the original IRA were certainly Marxist (as were the INLA) and its offshoot the Provisional IRA had a socialist political wing. The provos also copied Marxist tactics seen in Malaya, Rhodesia, Vietnam etc with free or liberated areas, hit and run tactics, terror of the local populace to comply. There’s oddities like the Angry Brigade in the UK, Red Brigade and Red Army Faction in Italy, ETA in Spain were Marxist-Leninist. Some of the aforementioned are active to a certain extent. Right wing terrorism has to my mind been characterised by lone wolf or small groups influenced by a core ideology with no real structure behind it. Has there been a large organised, visible and effective right wing terror group in the UK? I would say no. In my time in the military in security briefs, the terror threat was always regarded as Islamic or Irish dissidents. UDA, UVF, UFF, RHC, UYM to name a few right wing militant groups in the uk. I’ve googled those groups you’ve mentioned and they’re not described as right wing terror. |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 17, 2023 19:20:24 GMT
What a bizarre thread this has turned into
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Post by Gawa on Nov 17, 2023 19:41:54 GMT
UDA, UVF, UFF, RHC, UYM to name a few right wing militant groups in the uk. I’ve googled those groups you’ve mentioned and they’re not described as right wing terror. Trust me they're all right wing. In Northern Ireland we had the IRA and Unionist paramilitaries. The nationalists tend to be left wing, the loyalists right wing. On the UDA wiki it says: Vanguard and DUP are/were both much further right wing than the tories. Tbh though most of the voters in this country are clueless and tribal. They just vote for who they're told to vote for by "community representstives". If they actually looked into policies their views may change buy the priority is usually to "keep them'uns out" and thus people vote for who their community has historically voted for. Nationalists don't have much right wing representation aside from Aontu. Unionists have little left wing representation. |
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Post by cheadlepotter on Nov 17, 2023 20:19:33 GMT
It’s hardly he won the Cheadle and District Cribbage final though is it? He’s bound to be spoken about fondly, to the point where every bad point is insignificant as he stopped socialism ruling Europe. Not at all. It's perfectly possible for any rational person to be grateful for someone's actions or achievement in a given set of circumstances and yet still think they're a thoroughly unpleasant c*nt. Which is pretty much what the country thought in 1945 when they booted him out. The mythologising of Churchill is very much a post war phenomenon. Many people talk about people in history incorrectly. I’ve heard Henry VIII praised on the back of managing six wives when let’s be honest he was an absolute cunt. This will always happen. But like I said in Churchill’s case winning a world war against a group of people who gassed millions of innocents to death will stand out until the end of time. I’m not arguing with his faults, they’re just irrelevant in comparison. |
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