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Post by Los Alfareros on Oct 25, 2022 10:13:16 GMT
With the emergance of the women's game, and now some of the female managers starting to get recognised, I wonder how long it will take before a female manager takes over a men's football league team?? Most of them I hear talking speak very well pre and post match, managing people and tactical awareness are skill's not defined by gender.
Within the next 5-10 years??
Would a football league club take on the current England women's manager??
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Post by idle on Oct 25, 2022 11:36:41 GMT
Forest Green perhaps? They're all progressive and all that.
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Post by cheadlepotter on Oct 25, 2022 11:53:00 GMT
You’re forgetting her at Wycombe.
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Post by noustie on Oct 25, 2022 11:54:29 GMT
It'll happen at some point and would raise an interesting dynamic.
I watched a semi-pro game at Carnoustie and the big meat head defender at the back was giving the ref an absolute power of abuse but then he would turn to the female assistant ref and ask politely for her to have a word at half time because he's having a nightmare.
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Post by Gods on Oct 25, 2022 12:16:19 GMT
Sooner than 5-10 years is my guess.
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Post by femark on Oct 25, 2022 12:39:40 GMT
I cant see it happening for a good while to be honest. There's very few females in any mens football roles, whether that be coaches, physios or directors.
The only two that spring to mind as being well known are Eva Carneiro (Ex Chelsea Physio) and Marina Granovskaia (Ex Chelsea Director).
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2022 14:15:50 GMT
It’s interesting to think about. There must be a few female managers who understand tactics and statistics and human psychology to a very high level.
I can’t shake the idea though that the men simply wouldn’t respect the authority of a female head coach/manager, even on a subconscious level. You can obviously point out many examples in the working world of female CEOs etc, but a football team is something very different to an ordinary workplace. We see teams down tools for male managers who lose the dressing room all the time. Even villa seemed to do it with none other than Steven Gerrard, one of the most respected and legendary male players of his generation.
I could be wrong of course but that’s just my sense.
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Post by bridgnorthstokie on Oct 25, 2022 14:39:26 GMT
I cant see it happening for a good while to be honest. There's very few females in any mens football roles, whether that be coaches, physios or directors. The only two that spring to mind as being well known are Eva Carneiro (Ex Chelsea Physio) and Marina Granovskaia (Ex Chelsea Director). Don't forget old delia "let's be Avin ya" smith.
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Post by lowlands on Oct 25, 2022 15:31:17 GMT
who remembers the TV show in the late 1980s with Cherie Lunghi as a pro football manager, then we all said never ever happen. The show was called The Manageress.
Fast forward to 2022 and from what we have seen tactically from the Women's England International team and the men's perhaps it may be a good idea??
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Post by leicspotter on Oct 25, 2022 17:35:21 GMT
Does seem strange that we have now had 3 female PM's and now a non-white PM whilst non-white coaches are pretty rare at the top end of the pyramid and the thought of a female manager still seems only a pipe dream. Planty of blokes running women's sides though www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/63385012
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Oct 25, 2022 17:37:05 GMT
Not this load of old shite again
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Post by Los Alfareros on Oct 25, 2022 20:55:17 GMT
Not this load of old shite again Great input badge đź‘Ť
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Oct 25, 2022 21:01:56 GMT
Not this load of old shite again Great input badge 👍 Sorry mate, it does get done to death though on various threads. I personally see no reason why a female coach shouldn’t manage men’s teams but it’s the stuff that comes after like “men manage women’s teams” and even worse “ there’s not enough black managers” which inevitably follows this kind of talk. My opinion, if you want it, is if enough females apply for a job then they’ll get it on qualification, nothing more and nothing less. This isn’t a box ticking exercise.
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Post by Gods on Oct 25, 2022 21:20:27 GMT
who remembers the TV show in the late 1980s with Cherie Lunghi as a pro football manager, then we all said never ever happen. The show was called The Manageress. Fast forward to 2022 and from what we have seen tactically from the Women's England International team and the men's perhaps it may be a good idea?? Yikes, Cheri Lunghi, just googled her, she's 70 now!
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Post by Los Alfareros on Oct 25, 2022 21:29:37 GMT
Sorry mate, it does get done to death though on various threads. I personally see no reason why a female coach shouldn’t manage men’s teams but it’s the stuff that comes after like “men manage women’s teams” and even worse “ there’s not enough black managers” which inevitably follows this kind of talk. My opinion, if you want it, is if enough females apply for a job then they’ll get it on qualification, nothing more and nothing less. This isn’t a box ticking exercise. Well I dont spend as much time on here than others, and I have not seen the subject raised before. Apologies, lets get back to Pulis fighting and slagging Kitson 👍
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Post by SamB_SCFC on Oct 25, 2022 21:35:07 GMT
who remembers the TV show in the late 1980s with Cherie Lunghi as a pro football manager, then we all said never ever happen. The show was called The Manageress. Fast forward to 2022 and from what we have seen tactically from the Women's England International team and the men's perhaps it may be a good idea?? It would be a very big gamble from any men's team that decided to do it. Women are obviously perfectly capable of having the tactical knowledge and man management skills to succeed in the men's game. The difficulty is getting women into senior enough positions in the men's game to allow them to gain the relevant experience and develop their skills to the required level to be able to succeed. The big difference between managing in men's football and women's is money and pressure. Even at the very highest levels of women's football like the England team, the pressure is far lower than even in League One in terms of the amount of money at stake if you fail and the amount of stick and criticism you'll receive from the fans and media if you fail. Like take the women's Euros in the summer. Had England failed and got knocked out in the group stage, it would have barely registered in the nation's consciousness and would have got very little media coverage outside of the initial couple of days after getting knocked out. If the England men's team go out in the group stage, it's tantamount to a national disaster and there's weeks and months, even years of in dept analysis of every managerial decision, every players' performances, loads of horrendous abuse on social media etc. And in men's club football, the financial consequences for getting relegated, missing out on promotion or if you sign expensive players who flop is just infinitely more than in women's football and the pressure that comes with those high stakes is something you can only have experienced if you have been involved in men's first team football. Which very few women have been. So given that there's basically no female candidates that tick those experience boxes because of lack of opportunity, any club appointing a female manager would be taking a huge risk in gambling that she'll be able to cope well with the elevated pressures in men's football. Along with all the other additional crap she'd have to deal with like the misogyny, the abuse on social media and from supporters in the stadiums, the unanswered question of how male players would react to a female manager with no high level men's football experience etc. I think it'll be a while before someone takes the risk. Edit: and I forgot to mention the huge quality gap and the lack of strength in depth in women's football too. At the top level of women's football the quality is a long way below the quality of even League Two or the National League, which affects the kind of tactics you use and the quality of tactical approach that you'll be up against from your opponents. And even at the highest level of the women's game, there's a huge variation in the standard of the teams and if you manage at a top level women's club team or an international team there are very few games where you come up against a team who are at a similar level to you. Which is very different from the men's game where there are competitive games coming thick and fast every week and the gap between the best teams and the worst teams is far smaller. Even in the Premier League, the worst teams are at a high level and aren't whipping boys as we saw with Forest beating Liverpool the other day. Having tough games coming up every single week creates a different type of pressure than can't be experienced anywhere in the women's game.
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Post by JoeinOz on Oct 26, 2022 1:04:36 GMT
If it was a choice of get promoted and win the Premier league and then the champions league with a female manager. OR relegation to the conference with a male manager, I'd pick the latter.
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Post by SamB_SCFC on Oct 26, 2022 1:28:01 GMT
If it was a choice of get promoted and win the Premier league and then the champions league with a female manager. OR relegation to the conference with a male manager, I'd pick the latter. Why? That seems a very daft stance. If a woman is good enough to be a successful manager than why ever not? I absolutely don't want any positive discrimination or quotas coming in to force clubs to employ female staff, it should be the choice of individual clubs based on a meritocracy with no political pressure from outside. It should be neither applauded nor shunned with the results determining the success or otherwise of the appointment as it is for male managers. But as long as the appointment has been made for the right reasons then success is success surely? If a female manager came into Stoke and achieved what you describe then she'd have clearly and unequivocally proved herself to have been the right choice for the job.
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Post by JoeinOz on Oct 26, 2022 11:04:16 GMT
If it was a choice of get promoted and win the Premier league and then the champions league with a female manager. OR relegation to the conference with a male manager, I'd pick the latter. Why? That seems a very daft stance. If a woman is good enough to be a successful manager than why ever not? I absolutely don't want any positive discrimination or quotas coming in to force clubs to employ female staff, it should be the choice of individual clubs based on a meritocracy with no political pressure from outside. It should be neither applauded nor shunned with the results determining the success or otherwise of the appointment as it is for male managers. But as long as the appointment has been made for the right reasons then success is success surely? If a female manager came into Stoke and achieved what you describe then she'd have clearly and unequivocally proved herself to have been the right choice for the job. Er, I wasn't serious mate. 🙂.
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Post by SamB_SCFC on Oct 26, 2022 12:14:51 GMT
Why? That seems a very daft stance. If a woman is good enough to be a successful manager than why ever not? I absolutely don't want any positive discrimination or quotas coming in to force clubs to employ female staff, it should be the choice of individual clubs based on a meritocracy with no political pressure from outside. It should be neither applauded nor shunned with the results determining the success or otherwise of the appointment as it is for male managers. But as long as the appointment has been made for the right reasons then success is success surely? If a female manager came into Stoke and achieved what you describe then she'd have clearly and unequivocally proved herself to have been the right choice for the job. Er, I wasn't serious mate. 🙂. Fair enough, whoosh haha.
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Post by redstriper on Oct 26, 2022 14:30:30 GMT
Will the first lady manager who turns up in the dugout get a loud rendition of "you're supposed to be at home" from the opposition fans ?
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Post by Veritas on Oct 26, 2022 14:41:24 GMT
Will the first lady manager who turns up in the dugout get a loud rendition of "you're supposed to be at home" from the opposition fans ? No because it's not 1975
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Post by Picasso on Oct 26, 2022 14:48:44 GMT
Will the first lady manager who turns up in the dugout get a loud rendition of "you're supposed to be at home" from the opposition fans ? Possibly, if that manager’s team has had to have their home fixtures reversed, due to an unsuitable stadium or something.
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Post by matelot1996 on Oct 26, 2022 14:54:04 GMT
I think the fact that you didn’t ask the same question about a Black, disabled, Woman is offensive. Only one element of footballing diversity which slowly erodes the very fabric of the traditional game experience is just boring and none inclusive in my opinion. Go hard or go home.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2022 14:54:56 GMT
Will the first lady manager who turns up in the dugout get a loud rendition of "you're supposed to be at home" from the opposition fans ? No because it's not 1975 Was banter banned in1975?
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Post by scfc75 on Oct 26, 2022 15:08:16 GMT
who remembers the TV show in the late 1980s with Cherie Lunghi as a pro football manager, then we all said never ever happen. The show was called The Manageress. Fast forward to 2022 and from what we have seen tactically from the Women's England International team and the men's perhaps it may be a good idea?? Yikes, Cheri Lunghi, just googled her, she's 70 now! All available on YouTube for those interested. I really enjoyed it back in the day, it was a great series.
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Post by Gods on Oct 26, 2022 15:12:51 GMT
Yikes, Cheri Lunghi, just googled her, she's 70 now! All available on YouTube for those interested. I really enjoyed it back in the day, it was a great series. Do you know whose ground that is, in the photo? Cheers
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Post by wrighter on Oct 26, 2022 15:13:31 GMT
Should be fun after in the showers if she does a team talk
Hope for her sake Robbie Dunne isnt playing !!!!
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Post by scfc75 on Oct 26, 2022 15:16:06 GMT
All available on YouTube for those interested. I really enjoyed it back in the day, it was a great series. Do you know whose ground that is, in the photo? Cheers I think (not 100%) it’s Bramhall Lane. Sure I remember somebody telling me that some of the ground scenes were filmed there.
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Post by redstriper on Oct 26, 2022 16:31:19 GMT
Was banter banned in1975? I think the UK ban on banter came in around 2019, all comedians are now on the dole. Anyone trying to be light hearted and provoke laughter can be taken to the tower of London and dismembered.
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