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Post by prestwichpotter on Sept 5, 2022 13:14:06 GMT
Yeah. My curiosity was peeked so I had a look at visa requirements. The minimum income requirements look quite low but possibly hard to prove if you’re living of investments/pension drawdown or some such. Health insurance would have to be accounted for and could also be pricey for oldsters. The sequencing might be difficult as well e.g. you might need to rent/buy a home before you knew you would be allowed to stay year round. Indeed. Have looked at it too. As a matter of principle I'm against 'second homes' - particularly if left empty for large parts of the year - so the idea was if we were 'going' then we were going. As it currently stands personal circumstances (which I won't bore you with) plus Brexit mean shipping out 100% is not an option right now. Would therefore be a case of squaring my conscience with partial residence - at least for the time being. Same, I had half a plan to buy and my mum and dad sell to live out their days there (pre-Brexit of course) but I wouldn't be happy buying a house for a few weeks a year. My dads circumstances have changed because of health issues also so I'll see if Brexit last the test of time or it gets reversed in the near future.......
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Post by musik on Sept 5, 2022 13:24:29 GMT
I'm still looking for a bit more of an active lifestyle but I hear Portugal has loads of camping, biking etc too? It sounds brilliant tbh. One of my best mates is Portuguese but she left because she couldn't find a job in our area that paid enough. Her husband works in fashion and it seemed like he could have settled there just fine. I just visited Turin and it looks like a wonderful place to live. I love loads of Italy but places like Florence are probably better to visit than live in. In the south, The Algarve, you've got everything to suit your taste. Albufeira is Portugal's (partial) answer to Ibetha and there's plenty of nightlife in Faro and Lagos. Loads of golf courses and hundreds of miles of off-road mountain biking too. The south coast is fantastic with miles of sandy beaches as well as isolated coves, and the west coast is rugged Atlantic cliffs at their best. In the north you have wonderful Lisbon and Porto where you can watch some nogger as well as having all the things in the south. It really is a country of differences so whatever turns you on holiday-wise, or living-wise, Portugal has it. And there's other things that are special; the people are warm and friendly and they love the Brits. That comes from us being their oldest ally. ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/0m0lbCuTEBzaRn6f8QaM.gif) OS. The most even year temperature with the least variations in the world as well. That's a plus. Just a thought: wouldn't you feel akward being part of a minority though?
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Post by mtrstudent on Sept 5, 2022 13:52:37 GMT
The most even year temperature with the least variations in the world as well. That's a plus. Just a thought: wouldn't you feel akward being part of a minority though?I think that's really important for everyone to think about. And we'd all have different answers. I've been comfortable being the British guy or, in some cases, the only white guy at a party, but it might have been weird if everyone else was obsessing over that. And I totally get why other people wouldn't like it.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Sept 5, 2022 13:58:47 GMT
I don't mind you asking at all. Yes, I've lived in Germany previously, my extended family comes from there. My wife has dual nationality, as do the kids. We'll probably go back there when their Uni is done. We were quite close to the Dutch border so I'm pretty familiar with how the Dutch operate too. I've also spent 12 months travelling around Asia but I don't think that really qualifies as having lived abroad although it helps to see other societies. My posting is often critical of the government (and the electorate that keeps voting these idiots in!), not the UK, there's a big difference. The UK is still one of the best places to live in the world, but, having seen how other countries do things and done some research, which anyone can do, you can see that the UK could be a lot better, and its people much happier. Northern European countries and the Scandi countries routinely have happier, more contented people whenever these kind of assessments are done. They seem to be getting things right for their people which we aren't. We appear to be turning away from the northern European ways of doing things, and Europe in general, in favour of a more American way. Looking at the way the US operates, its over-consumption, its highly fractured politics, its individualism, its inequality, its exploitation of its environment etc that doesn't strike me as a sensible direction to be heading. Thanks for the reply. Certainly I think the UK could improve on many aspects, regional inequality being the main issue for me. I live in a rich part of one of the places you mentioned and admit to being depressed when I compare it to some deindustrialised parts of the UK. On the other hand, I also recognise that my experience as a (relatively) wealthy immigrant doesn’t really match an insiders warts and all of view of parts of Northern Europe which include the buts that don’t attract tourists/or high income workers from overseas. I routinely meet higher income non-Brits who have lived in the UK and they usually express a very favourable view. I guess London (it’s usually London) must be ace if you’re rich (and don’t have kids)! The indicies on happiness/wellbeing, that you point to, show only marginal differences between the Northern European countries (incl. UK). They’re also somewhat subjective as well. I respect your view but I do think it’s overly negative. I imagine they are subjective if they're asking people how happy they are in their own country. It'll be interesting to see how this changes over the next five to ten years: www.statista.com/statistics/1225047/ranking-of-happiest-countries-worldwide-by-score/
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Sept 5, 2022 14:00:04 GMT
The most even year temperature with the least variations in the world as well. That's a plus. Just a thought: wouldn't you feel akward being part of a minority though?I think that's really important for everyone to think about. And we'd all have different answers. I've been comfortable being the British guy or, in some cases, the only white guy at a party, but it might have been weird if everyone else was obsessing over that. And I totally get why other people wouldn't like it. It's a good thing to experience, in my opinion, makes you open your eyes and become a lot more tolerant.
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Post by Hereward the Wake ᛊᛏᛟᚲᛖ on Sept 5, 2022 14:01:37 GMT
I think that's really important for everyone to think about. And we'd all have different answers. I've been comfortable being the British guy or, in some cases, the only white guy at a party, but it might have been weird if everyone else was obsessing over that. And I totally get why other people wouldn't like it. It's a good thing to experience, in my opinion, makes you open your eyes and become a lot more tolerant. Some things shouldn't be tolerated though
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Sept 5, 2022 14:03:10 GMT
It's a good thing to experience, in my opinion, makes you open your eyes and become a lot more tolerant. Some things shouldn't be tolerated though Like what?
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Post by swampmongrel on Sept 5, 2022 14:05:10 GMT
Indeed. Have looked at it too. As a matter of principle I'm against 'second homes' - particularly if left empty for large parts of the year - so the idea was if we were 'going' then we were going. As it currently stands personal circumstances (which I won't bore you with) plus Brexit mean shipping out 100% is not an option right now. Would therefore be a case of squaring my conscience with partial residence - at least for the time being. Same, I had half a plan to buy and my mum and dad sell to live out their days there (pre-Brexit of course) but I wouldn't be happy buying a house for a few weeks a year. My dads circumstances have changed because of health issues also so I'll see if Brexit last the test of time or it gets reversed in the near future....... My half-baked retirement plan is to spend most of Spring/Summers and Xmas period in the UK and large parts of the winter in warmer climes. It would probably be a small energy efficient place somewhere pleasant enough (but relatively cheap) in the UK. I don’t think I’d buy a place overseas because out of season long-term lets are cheap as chips on ‘the continent’ and could keep my options open. The UK is fine in good weather if you pick the right spot and also basic healthcare is reasonable and (currently) ‘free’ as and when I’ll need it. Just have to work out of a plan for getting rid of the kids (and maybe the wife as well 😉).
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Post by Hereward the Wake ᛊᛏᛟᚲᛖ on Sept 5, 2022 14:06:11 GMT
Some things shouldn't be tolerated though Like what? Nonces, religious extremism , domestic abuse , rape , grooming gangs etc
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Post by swampmongrel on Sept 5, 2022 14:08:00 GMT
Thanks for the reply. Certainly I think the UK could improve on many aspects, regional inequality being the main issue for me. I live in a rich part of one of the places you mentioned and admit to being depressed when I compare it to some deindustrialised parts of the UK. On the other hand, I also recognise that my experience as a (relatively) wealthy immigrant doesn’t really match an insiders warts and all of view of parts of Northern Europe which include the buts that don’t attract tourists/or high income workers from overseas. I routinely meet higher income non-Brits who have lived in the UK and they usually express a very favourable view. I guess London (it’s usually London) must be ace if you’re rich (and don’t have kids)! The indicies on happiness/wellbeing, that you point to, show only marginal differences between the Northern European countries (incl. UK). They’re also somewhat subjective as well. I respect your view but I do think it’s overly negative. I imagine they are subjective if they're asking people how happy they are in their own country. It'll be interesting to see how this changes over the next five to ten years: www.statista.com/statistics/1225047/ranking-of-happiest-countries-worldwide-by-score/Those Belgians must be bloody miserable.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Sept 5, 2022 14:18:40 GMT
Nonces, religious extremism , domestic abuse , rape , grooming gangs etc Illegal things, you mean? Not sure anyone disagrees with that But by tolerance, I meant not disliking, victimising or being prejudiced against someone purely because they are different in some (non-illegal) way. If you do ever live abroad and find yourself as the minority nationally or by colour or whatever, it generally makes you much more open-minded towards minorities in general than if you'd spent your entire life surrounded by the same kind of people. Not always, and not all people, but you only have to look at how majority white British born areas of the UK respond to immigration compared to areas which are more cosmopolitan. It's that fear and intolerance of anything different. When you've experienced the other side, it's bound to make you more open-minded about the whole issue, at least it ought to if you've got a brain between your ears.
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Post by Hereward the Wake ᛊᛏᛟᚲᛖ on Sept 5, 2022 14:23:51 GMT
Nonces, religious extremism , domestic abuse , rape , grooming gangs etc Illegal things, you mean? Not sure anyone disagrees with that But by tolerance, I meant not disliking, victimising or being prejudiced against someone purely because they are different in some (non-illegal) way. If you do ever live abroad and find yourself as the minority nationally or by colour or whatever, it generally makes you much more open-minded towards minorities in general than if you'd spent your entire life surrounded by the same kind of people. Not always, and not all people, but you only have to look at how majority white British born areas of the UK respond to immigration compared to areas which are more cosmopolitan. It's that fear and intolerance of anything different. When you've experienced the other side, it's bound to make you more open-minded about the whole issue, at least it ought to if you've got a brain between your ears. Plenty of people think it's ok mate. Those that didn't investigate the Rotherham grooming gangs incase they were called racist for example. You can dislike whoever you want . No one can tell you who to like or dislike , if you don't like a certain group that's your fre choice. I lived abroad for 3 years mate , I was an immigrant and didn't speak a word of the local lingo . I have no problem with immigrants as long as they aren't here to take the piss , immigration is the least of my concern. I prefer many immigrants to native Brits. You must have me mistaken for someone that's anti immigrant which I most definitely aren't.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Sept 5, 2022 14:26:36 GMT
Illegal things, you mean? Not sure anyone disagrees with that But by tolerance, I meant not disliking, victimising or being prejudiced against someone purely because they are different in some (non-illegal) way. If you do ever live abroad and find yourself as the minority nationally or by colour or whatever, it generally makes you much more open-minded towards minorities in general than if you'd spent your entire life surrounded by the same kind of people. Not always, and not all people, but you only have to look at how majority white British born areas of the UK respond to immigration compared to areas which are more cosmopolitan. It's that fear and intolerance of anything different. When you've experienced the other side, it's bound to make you more open-minded about the whole issue, at least it ought to if you've got a brain between your ears. Plenty of people think it's ok mate. Those that didn't investigate the Rotherham grooming gangs incase they were called racist for example. You can dislike whoever you want . No one can tell you who to like or dislike , if you don't like a certain group that's your fre choice. I lived abroad for 3 years mate , I was an immigrant and didn't speak a word of the local lingo . I have no problem with immigrants as long as they aren't here to take the piss , immigration is the least of my concern. I prefer many immigrants to native Brits. You must have me mistaken for someone that's anti immigrant which I most definitely aren't. Yes, I suspect you're right. More anti-muslim, right?
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Post by Hereward the Wake ᛊᛏᛟᚲᛖ on Sept 5, 2022 14:28:45 GMT
Plenty of people think it's ok mate. Those that didn't investigate the Rotherham grooming gangs incase they were called racist for example. You can dislike whoever you want . No one can tell you who to like or dislike , if you don't like a certain group that's your fre choice. I lived abroad for 3 years mate , I was an immigrant and didn't speak a word of the local lingo . I have no problem with immigrants as long as they aren't here to take the piss , immigration is the least of my concern. I prefer many immigrants to native Brits. You must have me mistaken for someone that's anti immigrant which I most definitely aren't. Yes, I suspect you're right. More anti-muslim, right? Just the opposite, I have alot of time and respect for Islam , I have Muslims mates that once took me to the local mosque in Luton. I'm a history buff and I love learning about religion as it goes hand in hand . Islam is a misunderstood religion and the media hasn't helped matters. I'd have no problems with a Muslim PM in fact I think it would do us the world of good
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Sept 5, 2022 14:30:59 GMT
Illegal things, you mean? Not sure anyone disagrees with that But by tolerance, I meant not disliking, victimising or being prejudiced against someone purely because they are different in some (non-illegal) way. If you do ever live abroad and find yourself as the minority nationally or by colour or whatever, it generally makes you much more open-minded towards minorities in general than if you'd spent your entire life surrounded by the same kind of people. Not always, and not all people, but you only have to look at how majority white British born areas of the UK respond to immigration compared to areas which are more cosmopolitan. It's that fear and intolerance of anything different. When you've experienced the other side, it's bound to make you more open-minded about the whole issue, at least it ought to if you've got a brain between your ears. Plenty of people think it's ok mate. Those that didn't investigate the Rotherham grooming gangs incase they were called racist for example. You can dislike whoever you want . No one can tell you who to like or dislike , if you don't like a certain group that's your fre choice. I lived abroad for 3 years mate , I was an immigrant and didn't speak a word of the local lingo . I have no problem with immigrants as long as they aren't here to take the piss , immigration is the least of my concern. I prefer many immigrants to native Brits. You must have me mistaken for someone that's anti immigrant which I most definitely aren't. Where did you live, and how come you didn't manage to speak a word of the lingo after three years?
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Post by Hereward the Wake ᛊᛏᛟᚲᛖ on Sept 5, 2022 14:32:23 GMT
Plenty of people think it's ok mate. Those that didn't investigate the Rotherham grooming gangs incase they were called racist for example. You can dislike whoever you want . No one can tell you who to like or dislike , if you don't like a certain group that's your fre choice. I lived abroad for 3 years mate , I was an immigrant and didn't speak a word of the local lingo . I have no problem with immigrants as long as they aren't here to take the piss , immigration is the least of my concern. I prefer many immigrants to native Brits. You must have me mistaken for someone that's anti immigrant which I most definitely aren't. Where did you live, and how come you didn't manage to speak a word of the lingo after three years? Lived in Majorca mate . Initially I didn't speak a word of the lingo. Once I'd been there for a bit I could get by but was by no means fluent.
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Post by flea79 on Sept 5, 2022 14:35:54 GMT
Illegal things, you mean? Not sure anyone disagrees with that But by tolerance, I meant not disliking, victimising or being prejudiced against someone purely because they are different in some (non-illegal) way. If you do ever live abroad and find yourself as the minority nationally or by colour or whatever, it generally makes you much more open-minded towards minorities in general than if you'd spent your entire life surrounded by the same kind of people. Not always, and not all people, but you only have to look at how majority white British born areas of the UK respond to immigration compared to areas which are more cosmopolitan. It's that fear and intolerance of anything different. When you've experienced the other side, it's bound to make you more open-minded about the whole issue, at least it ought to if you've got a brain between your ears. Plenty of people think it's ok mate. Those that didn't investigate the Rotherham grooming gangs incase they were called racist for example. You can dislike whoever you want . No one can tell you who to like or dislike , if you don't like a certain group that's your fre choice. I lived abroad for 3 years mate , I was an immigrant and didn't speak a word of the local lingo . I have no problem with immigrants as long as they aren't here to take the piss , immigration is the least of my concern. I prefer many immigrants to native Brits. You must have me mistaken for someone that's anti immigrant which I most definitely aren't. I lived in Dubai for a spell and the only foreign what i learned was the words spoken on the monorail! luckily those johnny foreigners had the good grace too write everything in english and speak the language too! ![(rofl)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/wMWjB17JNiCK5pUPtfmL.gif)
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Post by salopstick on Sept 5, 2022 15:23:33 GMT
Deffo Portugal. My second home. Spent 10 years going there before my wife died and in the 20 years since (until recently when ill health has curtailed my mobility) I was going 2/3 times a year. I bloody adore the place and the people. But it's best to retire to non-tourist areas and settle amongst the natives. The food is fantastic and the beers and wines are as cheap as chips, and the way of life is so slow that you can literally sit down where the old guys congregate by the markets and down a few bottles of cheap beer (3 bottles for a euro) and watch the world go by in the lovely warmth. Other than that, a wonderful place to retire to is a village up in the hills of Northern Italy. It's magical. OS. That’s how I feel about Provence
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Post by musik on Sept 5, 2022 15:24:05 GMT
I think that's really important for everyone to think about. And we'd all have different answers. I've been comfortable being the British guy or, in some cases, the only white guy at a party, but it might have been weird if everyone else was obsessing over that. And I totally get why other people wouldn't like it. It's a good thing to experience, in my opinion, makes you open your eyes and become a lot more tolerant. My doubt was more concentrated to all the existing awful racism all over the world. From what I've heard there are more racists in places like eastern Asia, the Middle east and Spain than anywhere else. But it could be wrong. Just what I've heard from people being there.
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Post by salopstick on Sept 5, 2022 15:26:05 GMT
Someone gave me some advice about moving abroad.
Do t sell up and buy. You might not know the lingo and get easily ripped off.
Rent your uk property and use that income to rent overseas
If it all goes tits up you’ve got your uk house to come back to
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2022 15:40:27 GMT
I’d like to move to Romania, apparently it’s around 30 years behind the U.K. which would be perfect😀 Sounds ok. TV was better, mone of this PC rubbish and you can still get Texan bars
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 5, 2022 15:49:24 GMT
I’d like to move to Romania, apparently it’s around 30 years behind the U.K. which would be perfect😀 Sounds ok. TV was better, mone of this PC rubbish and you can still get Texan bars Precisely and lots more besides😀 Trouble is we’d still have to go through Wet Wet Wet being number one for 15 weeks again🤦🏻♂️
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2022 15:51:38 GMT
Sounds ok. TV was better, mone of this PC rubbish and you can still get Texan bars Precisely and lots more besides😀 Trouble is we’d still have to go through Wet Wet Wet being number one for 15 weeks again🤦🏻♂️ Your clothes would be fashionable also
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 5, 2022 15:52:44 GMT
Precisely and lots more besides😀 Trouble is we’d still have to go through Wet Wet Wet being number one for 15 weeks again🤦🏻♂️ Your clothes would be fashionable also What this old thing?😉
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2022 15:54:25 GMT
Your clothes would be fashionable also What this old thing?😉 Your Haircut 100 silk tour jacket
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 5, 2022 15:57:50 GMT
Your Haircut 100 silk tour jacket Now you’re talking, won’t belong before their farewell tour in Bucharest
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2022 15:59:35 GMT
Your Haircut 100 silk tour jacket Now you’re talking, won’t belong before their farewell tour in Bucharest As long as they stay away from lakes due to their fear of them
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Post by lordb on Sept 5, 2022 16:33:37 GMT
Now you’re talking, won’t belong before their farewell tour in Bucharest As long as they stay away from lakes due to their fear of them That was just Nick Haywood, the rest of the band love lakes, it's what split them up in the end, very sad
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Post by salopstick on Sept 5, 2022 16:38:27 GMT
As long as they stay away from lakes due to their fear of them That was just Nick Haywood, the rest of the band love lakes, it's what split them up in the end, very sad Usesless trivia. This song is in the movie Se7en
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2022 17:00:57 GMT
As long as they stay away from lakes due to their fear of them That was just Nick Haywood, the rest of the band love lakes, it's what split them up in the end, very sad Not so sure...I think they met at an aquaphobics anonymous meeting . I mean, how many times did you see the Haircuts ride the swans on Alton Towers lake? Not even in the video for Fantastic Day. I rest my case
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