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Post by walrus on Aug 31, 2022 22:57:38 GMT
What an interesting team to watch Swansea were.
Absolutely intent on passing it around their back line and happy to take risks leading to mistakes that a more clinical opponent may well have punished. When their risky defensive passing paid off they did a good job of overloading bodies in the midfield meaning there was always a spare man and they got the ball forward quickly and looked dangerous with it, especially first half.
I know many of their fans are unconvinced by Martin and I’m not sure that ultimately their approach will be especially effective over the course of a long season, but I begrudgingly enjoyed seeing a Championship team go away from home and show such a commitment to their coach’s philosophy rather than just trying to grind out a result.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Aug 31, 2022 23:00:00 GMT
He played exactly the same way at MK Dons also
A very risky strategy in the way they play but they certainly play some decent stuff at times although it sounds like their fans have had enough of Martin and his style🤔
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 31, 2022 23:02:12 GMT
A side on it and fit scores 4/5 past that shower tonight.
We were knackered still from the Blackburn game which says a lot about he conditioning under MoN.
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Post by RonnieStokie on Aug 31, 2022 23:03:24 GMT
He played exactly the same way at MK Dons also A very risky strategy in the way they play but they certainly play some decent stuff at times although it sounds like their fans have had enough of Martin and his style🤔 A Swansea mate of mine says he's tactically stubborn to his ways, and they've got a goal leading mistake in them pretty much every game. |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 31, 2022 23:12:49 GMT
I think it was a massive help to them that we only played with two midfielders for a lot of the game, Baker was just too deep and doing very little.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2022 3:05:21 GMT
What an interesting team to watch Swansea were. Absolutely intent on passing it around their back line and happy to take risks leading to mistakes that a more clinical opponent may well have punished. When their risky defensive passing paid off they did a good job of overloading bodies in the midfield meaning there was always a spare man and they got the ball forward quickly and looked dangerous with it, especially first half. I know many of their fans are unconvinced by Martin and I’m not sure that ultimately their approach will be especially effective over the course of a long season, but I begrudgingly enjoyed seeing a Championship team go away from home and show such a commitment to their coach’s philosophy rather than just trying to grind out a result. I thought that they were stupid and I was frustrated that we didn’t get 4 or 5. Their keeper got caught 3 times doing the same stupid pass. What was the point of it? |
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Post by raythesailor on Sept 1, 2022 6:16:23 GMT
The goal keeper and goal kicks really were a nonsense and left them in potentially dangerous situations at times.
Agree with earlier comment that their midfield was more dominant than ours, with Baker playing deep. He is far more effective playing foreword and attacking. ⚓️
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2022 6:24:24 GMT
I'd like to revisit that match after Christmas to be fair, when the manager has a good few months of training into our lad's legs and we've managed to maybe bring one or two in to complement his style. Quite a few times we caught them or nearly caught them high up the pitch and nobody will ever convince me that a goalkeeper leaving his goal completely empty whilst he does an impression of Lothar Matheus is 'interesting' or remotely sane.
It's taking the piss and that level of piss taking needs burying.
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Post by sportsman on Sept 1, 2022 6:27:57 GMT
I thought they were bloody mental. Thinking they were man citeh at the back and couldn't pass save their lives constantly fucking it up helped by probably the worst and dodgy keeper at trying do it as well.
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Post by stokecitydom on Sept 1, 2022 6:46:25 GMT
When their short passing out from the back worked and they beat our forward press, it was good to watch and they got through us quite easily at times.
However it was suicidal at times and the Swansea players didn’t look to have the ability to perform it consistently.
If we were more clinical and fitter then there were plenty of goals available last night.
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Post by Trouserdog on Sept 1, 2022 6:49:21 GMT
I'll always maintain that sides at this level don't have the ability to play like that. They gave us the ball time and time again in dangerous areas, and were lucky we didn't score 3 or 4.
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Post by dirtygary69 on Sept 1, 2022 6:51:46 GMT
They tread a very fine line and gave us at least three opportunities to score from it. It’ll be like that most games and can’t see them doing well for that reason. Lovely when it comes off but I’d be pulling my hair out watching them give chance after chance away.
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Post by onionman on Sept 1, 2022 6:57:22 GMT
Swansea were trying stuff they weren’t good enough to try, but it all evened out because we weren’t good enough to make them pay.
Maybe our complete lack of ruthlessness is factored into the risk taking.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Sept 1, 2022 7:15:43 GMT
He loves his system does Russell🤔
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Post by Olgrligm on Sept 1, 2022 7:39:45 GMT
Well, their goalkeeper was nearly beaten twice from distance because he'd gone wandering off.
They gave away four or five good chances by getting caught out tippy tappying.
They showed no flexibility when it was clear that they'd been sussed.
They couldn't defend set pieces.
They had no idea about game management or how to close a game out.
I thought they were pretty hilarious, to be honest. I'd love to see them against a fully fit and firing Neil side.
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Post by bridgnorthstokie on Sept 1, 2022 7:55:23 GMT
A side on it and fit scores 4/5 past that shower tonight. We were knackered still from the Blackburn game which says a lot about he conditioning under MoN. I agree, as soon as the final whistle went Fox and I think Baker fell to the ground in exhaustion...pre season was poor for stoke, the players are not fit enough. |
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Post by walrus on Sept 1, 2022 8:07:42 GMT
Well, their goalkeeper was nearly beaten twice from distance because he'd gone wandering off. They gave away four or five good chances by getting caught out tippy tappying. They showed no flexibility when it was clear that they'd been sussed. They couldn't defend set pieces. They had no idea about game management or how to close a game out. I thought they were pretty hilarious, to be honest. I'd love to see them against a fully fit and firing Neil side. Certainly those were things they did badly, but I think you also have to give them credit for the many times they beat our high press, found an extra man in midfield, and creating a crossing or shooting chance. All in all I stand by my original comment that they were an “interesting” team to watch. I agree that their way of playing is naive and will fail more than it works at this level though. |
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Post by xchpotter on Sept 1, 2022 9:52:20 GMT
A side on it and fit scores 4/5 past that shower tonight. We were knackered still from the Blackburn game which says a lot about he conditioning under MoN. I agree, as soon as the final whistle went Fox and I think Baker fell to the ground in exhaustion...pre season was poor for stoke, the players are not fit enough. Luckily the manager has already picked up on this. Hope they get the beasting they need to get them up to speed with no time off off during the international break. It's just really poor planning and preparation which has to sit on MONs shoulders. You can accept players not being good enough technically, but fitness is entirely controllable, injuries aside. |
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