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Post by deeside2 on Aug 1, 2022 8:25:41 GMT
I didn't watch much of the tournament and only watched the second half of the final and the extra -time. One of the things I was really impressed with was the in-game management towards the end of extra-time. They killed the clock really well and didn't really give the Germans a sniff of getting an equaliser. Something MON could perhaps learn from.
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Aug 1, 2022 8:33:44 GMT
I didn't watch much of the tournament and only watched the second half of the final and the extra -time. One of the things I was really impressed with was the in-game management towards the end of extra-time. They killed the clock really well and didn't really give the Germans a sniff of getting an equaliser. Something MON could perhaps learn from. You first need to be in a winning position in order to go to 'game management' mode.
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Post by stourbridgestokie on Aug 1, 2022 8:34:08 GMT
Loved it near the end when the German defender was getting arsey with the time wasting in the corner!
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Aug 1, 2022 8:34:40 GMT
If people were to pick a women’s club level team to support, would they stay with Stoke just because of their relationship to the men’s team? Would anyone feel wrong looking into shopping around to support anyone else? If I lived elsewhere and had the misfortune to have a child and they wanted to watch a womens team then I don’t think I’d be arsed if they went for the convenient option. But for myself, then no. It would be Stoke. The misfortune to have a child? Each to their own Bayern, but perhaps choose your words more carefully.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 1, 2022 8:40:19 GMT
If I lived elsewhere and had the misfortune to have a child and they wanted to watch a womens team then I don’t think I’d be arsed if they went for the convenient option. But for myself, then no. It would be Stoke. The misfortune to have a child? Each to their own Bayern, but perhaps choose your words more carefully. For me it'd be a misfortune.
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Post by davethebass on Aug 1, 2022 8:49:40 GMT
Completely agree. I don't get this obsession with comparing it to the men's game, it's obviously different and lower quality than men's football because of a combination of the physical differences between men and women placing limits on the level that women are capable of achieving, and the fact that there is a far, far smaller pool of girls and women playing youth and grass roots football which inevitably limits the talent pool. But just because the game is played slightly differently and at a lower level doesn't make it pointless and unenjoyable. If that was the case, then all women's sport is pointless because in pretty much every sport you can think of, the best woman in the world would get beaten by good amateur men. Female athletes get far slower times and shorter distances, women tennis players are nowhere near as powerful and would get blasted off the court by even the very lowest ranked men etc. Which is the whole reason why we have separate categories for the two sexes so that women are able to enjoy sport and succeed in it. And we as a public get to enjoy the spectacle of different talents and personalities who would never get the chance to shine if men were just allowed to dominate all sport. Women's sport needs to be enjoyed for what it is, the pinnacle of female sport and performances judged within it's own sphere. In the same way that football in The Championship isn't all shit and pointless because it's not as good as what Man City and Liverpool produce. I've certainly enjoyed the women's Euros. The standard is noticeably improving all the time and hopefully as more publicity is drawn to it and more girls take up football the standard will continue to improve. Agree really enjoyed these finals but the commentators dont help by saying Rooneys record under threat 🤔 Been thinking about this. I reckon its alright the commentators saying Rooney's record is under threat. In the table for record numbers of golds won at Olympics, men and women are in the same list . . . if a woman broke Phelps' record, I don't think anyone would complain just because men are better at whatever sport it was she won the golds at. Same with the nogger in my opinion. If a woman broke Wayne Rooney's record I'd think fair enough, be an achievement.
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Aug 1, 2022 9:10:27 GMT
Agree really enjoyed these finals but the commentators dont help by saying Rooneys record under threat 🤔 Been thinking about this. I reckon its alright the commentators saying Rooney's record is under threat. In the table for record numbers of golds won at Olympics, men and women are in the same list . . . if a woman broke Phelps' record, I don't think anyone would complain just because men are better at whatever sport it was she won the golds at. Same with the nogger in my opinion. If a woman broke Wayne Rooney's record I'd think fair enough, be an achievement. Records are a bit dubious anyway unless everything is absolutely like for like. Rooney's recored was struck in an era of lengthy qualification campaigns, bloated final formats and multiple substitutions - not so for many previous record holders. It's therefore no less comparable with Ellen White than it is with Jimmy Greaves - let alone Vivian Woodward or George Camsell
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Post by davethebass on Aug 1, 2022 9:44:13 GMT
Been thinking about this. I reckon its alright the commentators saying Rooney's record is under threat. In the table for record numbers of golds won at Olympics, men and women are in the same list . . . if a woman broke Phelps' record, I don't think anyone would complain just because men are better at whatever sport it was she won the golds at. Same with the nogger in my opinion. If a woman broke Wayne Rooney's record I'd think fair enough, be an achievement. Records are a bit dubious anyway unless everything is absolutely like for like. Rooney's recored was struck in an era of lengthy qualification campaigns, bloated final formats and multiple substitutions - not so for many previous record holders. It's therefore no less comparable with Ellen White than it is with Jimmy Greaves - let alone Vivian Woodward or George Camsell Exactly. Was thinking that too. It can never be like for like. Looked up the records earlier... Rooney goals per game 0.44, Greaves 0.77, Woodward 1.26! (Didn't see Camsell on the list I saw). So yeah, if we're gonna bother with records anyway, no reason not to include Ellen White
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Post by felonious on Aug 1, 2022 10:52:16 GMT
If I lived elsewhere and had the misfortune to have a child and they wanted to watch a womens team then I don’t think I’d be arsed if they went for the convenient option. But for myself, then no. It would be Stoke. The misfortune to have a child? Each to their own Bayern, but perhaps choose your words more carefully. Think about the child's misfortune
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2022 10:53:55 GMT
The misfortune to have a child? Each to their own Bayern, but perhaps choose your words more carefully. Think about the child's misfortune Virtual pint 🍺 for that man
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Post by Davef on Aug 1, 2022 12:05:31 GMT
Records are a bit dubious anyway unless everything is absolutely like for like. Rooney's recored was struck in an era of lengthy qualification campaigns, bloated final formats and multiple substitutions - not so for many previous record holders. It's therefore no less comparable with Ellen White than it is with Jimmy Greaves - let alone Vivian Woodward or George Camsell Exactly. Was thinking that too. It can never be like for like. Looked up the records earlier... Rooney goals per game 0.44, Greaves 0.77, Woodward 1.26! (Didn't see Camsell on the list I saw). So yeah, if we're gonna bother with records anyway, no reason not to include Ellen White So if the Stoke City Ladies team got themselves a prolific striker who scored 177 goals, you'd be happy to consider her as the club's all time scorer ahead of John Ritchie? And if we're picking and choosing records then the women's time records in sports like athletics, swimming and cycling need to be scrubbed from the record books. This is absolute nonsense.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 1, 2022 12:09:50 GMT
The misfortune to have a child? Each to their own Bayern, but perhaps choose your words more carefully. Think about the child's misfortune Indeed!
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Post by Block 26 on Aug 1, 2022 12:18:21 GMT
Just brought 4 tickets for the WCQ…. Surely we can fill the stadium for the European champions.
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Post by andystokey on Aug 1, 2022 12:31:52 GMT
Just brought 4 tickets for the WCQ…. Surely we can fill the stadium for the European champions. I hope you had better experience than me on the checkout, the FA ticket website left me hanging off and on for about 12hrs and various attempts until I missed out on all my preference seats. Boothen is now sold out and the OBI has about 1000 left. I think it will be a good crowd.
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Post by Block 26 on Aug 1, 2022 12:33:59 GMT
Just brought 4 tickets for the WCQ…. Surely we can fill the stadium for the European champions. I hope you had better experience than me on the checkout, the FA ticket website left me hanging off and on for about 12hrs and various attempts until I missed out on all my preference seats. Boothen is now sold out and the OBI has about 1000 left. I think it will be a good crowd. No way, I had no problems whatsoever. Picked our st seats & straight through 👍🏻
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Aug 1, 2022 12:40:33 GMT
Agree really enjoyed these finals but the commentators dont help by saying Rooneys record under threat 🤔 Been thinking about this. I reckon its alright the commentators saying Rooney's record is under threat. In the table for record numbers of golds won at Olympics, men and women are in the same list . . . if a woman broke Phelps' record, I don't think anyone would complain just because men are better at whatever sport it was she won the golds at. Same with the nogger in my opinion. If a woman broke Wayne Rooney's record I'd think fair enough, be an achievement. Good point. And men have generally always had more opportunities than women - to continue on the Olympics theme, there are STILL more mens sports than there are womens. The Olympics was almost at male/female parity last time, but not quite (it's been a gradual increase e.g. compared to 44% female athletes at the London Olympics).
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Aug 1, 2022 12:43:00 GMT
Just brought 4 tickets for the WCQ…. Surely we can fill the stadium for the European champions. I hope you had better experience than me on the checkout, the FA ticket website left me hanging off and on for about 12hrs and various attempts until I missed out on all my preference seats. Boothen is now sold out and the OBI has about 1000 left. I think it will be a good crowd. My order kept defaulting to the front two rows when I prefer to be higher up to get an overview of the game. I eventually settled for row 12 I think. It was also a pain to register. Guest checkout would make a lot of websites much easier.
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Aug 1, 2022 12:45:31 GMT
If people were to pick a women’s club level team to support, would they stay with Stoke just because of their relationship to the men’s team? Would anyone feel wrong looking into shopping around to support anyone else? It's far too late for me to pick another team! If any, it'd be Newcastle Town given I'm from Newcastle-under-Lyme.
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Post by andystokey on Aug 1, 2022 12:49:47 GMT
I hope you had better experience than me on the checkout, the FA ticket website left me hanging off and on for about 12hrs and various attempts until I missed out on all my preference seats. Boothen is now sold out and the OBI has about 1000 left. I think it will be a good crowd. My order kept defaulting to the front two rows when I prefer to be higher up to get an overview of the game. I eventually settled for row 12 I think. It was also a pain to register. Guest checkout would make a lot of websites much easier. Mine kept bombing out when you get the bank authorisation. I thought I might have purchased about a 100 🙃
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Aug 1, 2022 12:54:28 GMT
The misfortune to have a child? Each to their own Bayern, but perhaps choose your words more carefully. For me it'd be a misfortune. It would probably be a misfortune for the child as well - especially if you communicated by saying the same thing over and over during an argument in an attempt to browbeat them into submission!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 1, 2022 12:56:30 GMT
For me it'd be a misfortune. It would probably be a misfortune for the child as well - especially if you communicated by saying the same thing over and over during an argument in an attempt to browbeat them into submission! Oh it would.
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Post by skip on Aug 1, 2022 13:22:49 GMT
Exactly. Was thinking that too. It can never be like for like. Looked up the records earlier... Rooney goals per game 0.44, Greaves 0.77, Woodward 1.26! (Didn't see Camsell on the list I saw). So yeah, if we're gonna bother with records anyway, no reason not to include Ellen White So if the Stoke City Ladies team got themselves a prolific striker who scored 177 goals, you'd be happy to consider her as the club's all time scorer ahead of John Ritchie? She would be.
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Post by OldStokie on Aug 1, 2022 13:35:35 GMT
It was a fantastic win for the ladies and I enjoyed it immensely. Maybe that's because I wasn't trying to compare it to the men's game. It's stupid to do that. I have an 18 year old grandson who can jump farther in the Long-jump than the UK's top female Long-jumper, so trying to equate performance ability-wise is pointless. No, for me the joy of yesterday was seeing an English side win the European Championship and beating Germany to boot. One thing better with the women's game is that there are no stupid, drunken idiots spoiling what was a fantastic day for our country by brawling and causing trouble in general. It was a brilliant family day too. Well done girls and thanks for the memories.
OS.
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Post by greenhoff on Aug 1, 2022 13:41:04 GMT
It was a fantastic win for the ladies and I enjoyed it immensely. Maybe that's because I wasn't trying to compare it to the men's game. It's stupid to do that. I have an 18 year old grandson who can jump farther in the Long-jump than the UK's top female Long-jumper, so trying to equate performance ability-wise is pointless. No, for me the joy of yesterday was seeing an English side win the European Championship and beating Germany to boot. One thing better with the women's game is that there are no stupid, drunken idiots spoiling what was a fantastic day for our country by brawling and causing trouble in general. It was a brilliant family day too. Well done girls and thanks for the memories. OS. Spot on.
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Post by starkiller on Aug 1, 2022 13:57:17 GMT
So if the Stoke City Ladies team got themselves a prolific striker who scored 177 goals, you'd be happy to consider her as the club's all time scorer ahead of John Ritchie? She would be. Come on. It should be kept separate. The BBC have been shoving this stuff on the same webpage for years, and it's blatantly ridiculous. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/leagues-cupsWomen's football placed above Championship football. No matter what jokes people want to make about our standard, this plainly denies reality. In terms of standard, quality, interest, income, attendance, and competitiveness.
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Post by callas12 on Aug 1, 2022 14:15:37 GMT
Just brought 4 tickets for the WCQ…. Surely we can fill the stadium for the European champions. I hope you had better experience than me on the checkout, the FA ticket website left me hanging off and on for about 12hrs and various attempts until I missed out on all my preference seats. Boothen is now sold out and the OBI has about 1000 left. I think it will be a good crowd. Mate I've been struggling aswell regards the payment side of things. Don't happen to be using Natwest do you by any chance, seems to be a definite issue with Natwest & the FA website syncing payments through.. Spoke to our ticket office a short time ago & they have absolutely no control over the ticket sales for this match and they said there had been a few folk having issues completing the payment bit. I tried my wife's Nationwide card through and sailed through, all purchased fine so convinced its a Natwest issue. Did contact the ticket office back to update them as although they're not directly responsible they'll likely be fielding calls regarding it all the same. I was trying to get Boothen End tickets but ended up in the OBI stand as there's still quite a few left there, availability in most blocks still. Going to have an away fans view of this match for a change! Like you I had to check 8 separate ticket orders but thankfully nothing gone out for these attempted purchases! So top tip, use someone else's card that isn't Natwest and you should be ok 😉🤣..
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Post by skip on Aug 1, 2022 14:20:45 GMT
Come on. It should be kept separate. The BBC have been shoving this stuff on the same webpage for years, and it's blatantly ridiculous. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/leagues-cupsWomen's football placed above Championship football. No matter what jokes people want to make about our standard, this plainly denies reality. In terms of standard, quality, interest, income, attendance, and competitiveness. I'm not talking about who is the most adept at football, much the same as whether male tennis players hit the ball harder than women tennis players. The spectacle is subjective. I watched us at Millwall and can say without any shred of deliberation that England beating Germany was just a little bit more enjoyable and frankly, comparing the two matches, England Women were just a smidgen better at (winning at) football than Stoke on Saturday. Of course the user interface on BBC Sport Football could have the option to pick mens or womens leagues, or if its non-hierarchical, just scroll a few more seconds down.
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Aug 1, 2022 14:23:27 GMT
Come on. It should be kept separate. The BBC have been shoving this stuff on the same webpage for years, and it's blatantly ridiculous. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/leagues-cupsWomen's football placed above Championship football. No matter what jokes people want to make about our standard, this plainly denies reality. In terms of standard, quality, interest, income, attendance, and competitiveness. Bearing in mind the progression of women's football and girl's football in terms of playing numbers, the amount of teams and therefore opportunities now offered to females in the sport, i really don't see what your issue with the BBC page is. Most see all of that as a real positive for the sport. What you call "shoving", most women (and most blokes with common sense and decency) call "promoting"...and it's worked and is still working. How do you expect the quality to improve if news about the women's game has to be buried somewhere that no-one can find on the site? I do feel real sorrow for you, i mean the hardship of your thumb/mouse having to move about 2 centimetres further down the page to find Championship news must be so,so draining #realworldproblems. It's simple really...some blokes need to get away from this idea they have that football is somehow owned by the male species and consequently believe that all sports sites should display all men's results/news above all women's news. There's nothing woke/libtard/simp/snowflake about getting away from that idea, it's simply being a normal,decent human being by acknowledging that women exist within and are involved in the game...and not being a fucking dinosaur. If you're not interested in women's results, fine just ignore them. It really isn't hard and absolutely no-one at all is forcing you to take an interest.
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Post by ceejays on Aug 1, 2022 14:38:08 GMT
If I lived elsewhere and had the misfortune to have a child and they wanted to watch a womens team then I don’t think I’d be arsed if they went for the convenient option. But for myself, then no. It would be Stoke. The misfortune to have a child? Each to their own Bayern, but perhaps choose your words more carefully. So was your mum misfortunate Bayern ? 😂😂
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Aug 1, 2022 14:40:43 GMT
Exactly. Was thinking that too. It can never be like for like. Looked up the records earlier... Rooney goals per game 0.44, Greaves 0.77, Woodward 1.26! (Didn't see Camsell on the list I saw). So yeah, if we're gonna bother with records anyway, no reason not to include Ellen White So if the Stoke City Ladies team got themselves a prolific striker who scored 177 goals, you'd be happy to consider her as the club's all time scorer ahead of John Ritchie? And if we're picking and choosing records then the women's time records in sports like athletics, swimming and cycling need to be scrubbed from the record books. This is absolute nonsense. She would be the club's all time scorer - that would just be a fact. Whether you considered her record comparable or not would be the debate. The OP's point would be that not many records in football are truly comparable anyway - so why get stressed?
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