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Post by Gary Hackett on Jan 19, 2023 22:43:24 GMT
What an absolute WASTE this summer was. What was the point in keeping MON? We all saw that he had ran out of ideas. We kept him anyways, let him spend any money we had and then sack him right at the end. Now we are just getting rid of all the Summer work. Pathetic. The fans don’t deserve it, but the club, the club deserves all the crap that’s likely in store for it. Most of the fanbase thought MoN should have gone end of last season. Blame John Coates.
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Post by gingerninja on Jan 19, 2023 22:50:46 GMT
Sterling is clearly a better all round footballer, if he stays fit, which is a massive if..
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jan 19, 2023 22:52:18 GMT
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jan 19, 2023 23:34:14 GMT
Yeah I agree. AN must be very confident of replacements, or, very confident we have enough in the squad not to be relegated. Seems a drastic rebuild for a January window. If Sterling breaks down again we are left with Wilmot (cough) or Macari. It's mad that we need to change the squad this much, and smacks of us choosing managers because they're shiny, rather than because we think they suit us or fit into any plan. I don't think anyone could have sorted MONs mess without an overhaul even if they had similar ideas, some of them were just thick, such as not needing a DM and signing Flint when you want to play a passing game.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 19, 2023 23:36:49 GMT
The squad MON assembled wasn’t suited for any formation.
It really was a mind blowing feat.
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Post by chigstoke on Jan 19, 2023 23:56:12 GMT
The squad MON assembled wasn’t suited for any formation. It really was a mind blowing feat. He was a like a greedy kid in a sweet shop when it came to the players we ended up with.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2023 0:12:13 GMT
It's a perfect move for Harry Clarke,I think he will be happy there and could really come on there . It's the right environment for him to learn his craft. In a year or two I think will have improved loads there and be a sought after player .
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Post by telfordstokie on Jan 20, 2023 5:54:09 GMT
‘Memorable’. Could read plenty into that!
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Post by femark on Jan 20, 2023 6:03:27 GMT
The squad MON assembled wasn’t suited for any formation. It really was a mind blowing feat. He made awful decisions in key areas. Signing Flint when he wanted to play out of the back, not signing a DM when he played a formation that really needed one and not signing a proper target man. Those 3 signings would have kept him in the job.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jan 20, 2023 6:10:39 GMT
The squad MON assembled wasn’t suited for any formation. It really was a mind blowing feat. He made awful decisions in key areas. Signing Flint when he wanted to play out of the back, not signing a DM when he played a formation that really needed one and not signing a proper target man. Those 3 signings would have kept him in the job. The problem is we see the players that the manage did sign but have no real idea of the players he wanted to sign. He was desperate to keep Harwood-Bellis for example…….
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 20, 2023 6:18:36 GMT
He made awful decisions in key areas. Signing Flint when he wanted to play out of the back, not signing a DM when he played a formation that really needed one and not signing a proper target man. Those 3 signings would have kept him in the job. The problem is we see the players that the manage did sign but have no real idea of the players he wanted to sign. He was desperate to keep Harwood-Bellis for example……. We needed better. He’s another who was poor for us and tbh when I’ve seen him for Burnley he looks the same there.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jan 20, 2023 6:43:32 GMT
The problem is we see the players that the manage did sign but have no real idea of the players he wanted to sign. He was desperate to keep Harwood-Bellis for example……. We needed better. He’s another who was poor for us and tbh when I’ve seen him for Burnley he looks the same there. He’s been excellent for Burnley….,
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 20, 2023 6:44:50 GMT
We needed better. He’s another who was poor for us and tbh when I’ve seen him for Burnley he looks the same there. He’s been excellent for Burnley…., Not from what I’ve seen. He’s shocking with the ball which amazed given the billing he had.
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Post by Rick Grimes on Jan 20, 2023 8:25:09 GMT
He made awful decisions in key areas. Signing Flint when he wanted to play out of the back, not signing a DM when he played a formation that really needed one and not signing a proper target man. Those 3 signings would have kept him in the job. The problem is we see the players that the manage did sign but have no real idea of the players he wanted to sign. He was desperate to keep Harwood-Bellis for example……. It’s no excuse. Plenty of teams in this division have no or hardly any money to spend but can sign players that suit how they want to play. MON specifically said we needed a target man but then went and signed Gayle and Delap. Gayle in particular won’t have come cheap so there was some funds there which have been wasted. As Bayern has already mentioned we either needed a ball playing centre back or at least a left sided centre back and we ended up with Flint. It’s a complete shitshow and it’s on MON.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jan 20, 2023 8:36:37 GMT
do you think its just that? It looks to be a bit more than that in my eyes. None of the loans have been an out and out success, so getting rid of them does provide an opportunity to do what AN has suggested, to make loan transfers with the view of signing them full time. If Sterling stays fit he would be the one loan which could be a good long term signing Bursik has been poor and Flint hasn't played since AN has come in. It isn't FFP and we are not sending the loans back as part of some master plan - they are leaving of their own accord because they are not in the club on the up they thought they were joining, they were recruited by a different manager with a completely different style of play, there is instability in the backroom and they can see relegation looming - which is not going to look good on their cv. There is no master plan - the club have lost control of the situation and are in a death a spiral. No sane young player is going to want to come here at the moment and no sane club is going to want to send any player here who is actually any good. We can't afford any decent players and even if we sell Souttar (which is highly likely) we aren't going to attract the best players because we look like a terrible career move. We are in Lambert territory. I suspect we are looking at cheap grizzled old pros from the lower leagues with 'character' to help us out in a dogfight. I don't think there are any medium/long term plans for squad development and if there were they've been shelved. The rats are deserting a sinking ship and we're in panic mode where the only goal is to stave off relegation and hope we can regroup in the summer. Let's hope Neil doesn't out Lambert Lambert. Either that or we get another Lambert who isn't a Lambert but to be honest that isn't going to change the situation we're in - it's just dumping the same problem on the next unsuspecting fool or chancer.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jan 20, 2023 8:52:46 GMT
The problem is we see the players that the manage did sign but have no real idea of the players he wanted to sign. He was desperate to keep Harwood-Bellis for example……. It’s no excuse. Plenty of teams in this division have no or hardly any money to spend but can sign players that suit how they want to play. MON specifically said we needed a target man but then went and signed Gayle and Delap. Gayle in particular won’t have come cheap so there was some funds there which have been wasted. As Bayern has already mentioned we either needed a ball playing centre back or at least a left sided centre back and we ended up with Flint. It’s a complete shitshow and it’s on MON. That depends on who he wanted to sign and who he ended up with I suppose. If MON had a list of 10 centre halves he wanted to sign and Flint was number 10 on that list that's a failure of those doing the deals.......
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Post by wuzza on Jan 20, 2023 8:59:37 GMT
do you think its just that? It looks to be a bit more than that in my eyes. None of the loans have been an out and out success, so getting rid of them does provide an opportunity to do what AN has suggested, to make loan transfers with the view of signing them full time. If Sterling stays fit he would be the one loan which could be a good long term signing Bursik has been poor and Flint hasn't played since AN has come in. It isn't FFP and we are not sending the loans back as part of some master plan - they are leaving of their own accord because they are not in the club on the up they thought they were joining, they were recruited by a different manager with a completely different style of play, there is instability in the backroom and they can see relegation looming - which is not going to look good on their cv. There is no master plan - the club have lost control of the situation and are in a death a spiral. No sane young player is going to want to come here at the moment and no sane club is going to want to send any player here who is actually any good. We can't afford any decent players and even if we sell Souttar (which is highly likely) we aren't going to attract the best players because we look like a terrible career move. We are in Lambert territory. I suspect we are looking at cheap grizzled old pros from the lower leagues with 'character' to help us out in a dogfight. I don't think there are any medium/long term plans for squad development and if there were they've been shelved. The rats are deserting a sinking ship and we're in panic mode where the only goal is to stave off relegation and hope we can regroup in the summer. Let's hope Neil doesn't out Lambert Lambert. Either that or we get another Lambert who isn't a Lambert but to be honest that isn't going to change the situation we're in - it's just dumping the same problem on the next unsuspecting fool or chancer. Good summary and fairly accurate prediction of the near future I fear. We’ve poured petrol on the fire by the appointment of a character such as Neill and as far as I can see are just hoping that it doesn’t result in the massive final explosion that is relegation to League 1. Nervous times.
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Post by femark on Jan 20, 2023 9:02:32 GMT
He’s been excellent for Burnley…., Not from what I’ve seen. He’s shocking with the ball which amazed given the billing he had. Much better than Flint but we needed a left sided CB ideally. We were supposedly looking at Matt Clarke if i remember right?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 20, 2023 9:05:52 GMT
Not from what I’ve seen. He’s shocking with the ball which amazed given the billing he had. Much better than Flint but we needed a left sided CB ideally. We were supposedly looking at Matt Clarke if i remember right? I’m better than Flint though. No idea why we went after him. And yeah we were. We needed a LCB or we needed to bin the idea of a back 3. MoN was an absolute moron.
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Post by realstokebloke on Jan 20, 2023 9:28:36 GMT
I quite like HC for what it's worth. Few rough edges but a good attitude. Player in there for sure. Hope he pushes on at Ipswich tbf.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jan 20, 2023 10:26:50 GMT
It’s no excuse. Plenty of teams in this division have no or hardly any money to spend but can sign players that suit how they want to play. MON specifically said we needed a target man but then went and signed Gayle and Delap. Gayle in particular won’t have come cheap so there was some funds there which have been wasted. As Bayern has already mentioned we either needed a ball playing centre back or at least a left sided centre back and we ended up with Flint. It’s a complete shitshow and it’s on MON. That depends on who he wanted to sign and who he ended up with I suppose. If MON had a list of 10 centre halves he wanted to sign and Flint was number 10 on that list that's a failure of those doing the deals....... Flint was a very early signing for a last resort, think you’re making excuses for him. What number on his list was the slow old Argie he was trying to sign when he got sacked? Left you with Flint, Jagielka, Souttar, Taylor in a pool of CB’s non of whom should ever play anywhere other than the centre of a 3 when playing 3 CB’s.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jan 20, 2023 10:29:50 GMT
That depends on who he wanted to sign and who he ended up with I suppose. If MON had a list of 10 centre halves he wanted to sign and Flint was number 10 on that list that's a failure of those doing the deals....... Flint was a very early signing for a last resort, think you’re making excuses for him. What number on his list was the slow old Argie he was trying to sign when he got sacked? Left you with Flint, Jagielka, Souttar, Taylor in a pool of CB’s non of whom should ever play anywhere other than the centre of a 3 when playing 3 CB’s. You're missing Clarke and Wilmot off your list of centre backs to play in a back 3........
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jan 20, 2023 10:34:01 GMT
Flint was a very early signing for a last resort, think you’re making excuses for him. What number on his list was the slow old Argie he was trying to sign when he got sacked? Left you with Flint, Jagielka, Souttar, Taylor in a pool of CB’s non of whom should ever play anywhere other than the centre of a 3 when playing 3 CB’s. You're missing Clarke and Wilmot off your list of centre backs to play in a back 3........ Obviously because they’re the right type, mobile proactive defenders to play L/RCB. So why would you have 4 players for 1 position and 2 players for 2 positions both of whom prefer the right?
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jan 20, 2023 10:34:28 GMT
He made awful decisions in key areas. Signing Flint when he wanted to play out of the back, not signing a DM when he played a formation that really needed one and not signing a proper target man. Those 3 signings would have kept him in the job. The problem is we see the players that the manage did sign but have no real idea of the players he wanted to sign. He was desperate to keep Harwood-Bellis for example……. That's fair enough but to go from trying for a target man to signing Gayle for example would be a very puzzling move. I think his previous signings would suggest he wasn't ever after the right type of signing, at least in the forwards department.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jan 20, 2023 10:58:15 GMT
You're missing Clarke and Wilmot off your list of centre backs to play in a back 3........ Obviously because they’re the right type, mobile proactive defenders to play L/RCB. So why would you have 4 players for 1 position and 2 players for 2 positions both of whom prefer the right? There was a doubt over Souttar's rehabilitation for one...................
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jan 20, 2023 11:07:56 GMT
Obviously because they’re the right type, mobile proactive defenders to play L/RCB. So why would you have 4 players for 1 position and 2 players for 2 positions both of whom prefer the right? There was a doubt over Souttar's rehabilitation for one................... Grasping at straws MON’s pool of CB was too slow, too old and too concentrated on the central position for a bloke seemingly determined to play 3 at the back. Could have fielded Souttar Flint and Taylor though it would have been comedy gold.
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Post by gaznandi on Apr 30, 2023 7:56:43 GMT
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Apr 30, 2023 8:01:20 GMT
Good luck to the lad got a new vibrant management approach and at home , they will do well next year assuming they keep McKenna
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Apr 30, 2023 8:03:53 GMT
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Post by stokeuk474 on Apr 30, 2023 8:17:20 GMT
I didn't think he was great, but the lad was a trier and always had good energy and enthusiasm.
Fair play to him.
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