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Post by tommycarlsberg on Jun 9, 2022 9:08:03 GMT
Confusing one on the surface. 33 next month, and sounds like Danny Batth on lower wages. Will be behind Souttar and Jagielka as the middle player in a potential back three, and can't obviously play anywhere else in a three. And universally described as slow and not good on the ball, so not suited to our supposed desire for a relatively high line and possession football, so even in a back 4, there are a few question marks. I genuinely don't get it or see a single positive with this signing and it raises question marks around the recruitment plan. It's all well and good saying "great at set pieces" but it's an irrelevance if we can't deliver a decent ball. You've only got to look at the difference when Souttar plays for us and plays for Oz. And ideally, I'd want my defenders to be able to defend first and foremost. When Souttar plays for Oz he scores against nations who aren't exactly known for height behing in their DNA...
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Post by mowlee on Jun 9, 2022 9:09:57 GMT
Does this mean we’re looking at a back four next season do we think? looks like a back 3 mate.. souttar.. flint.. jagileka.. doesn’t look good for Taylor or forrester.. prob go back out on loan
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 9, 2022 9:11:44 GMT
Does this mean we’re looking at a back four next season do we think? looks like a back 3 mate.. souttar.. flint.. jagileka.. doesn’t look good for Taylor or forrester.. prob go back out on loan That back line looks fucking awful
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 9, 2022 9:14:12 GMT
looks like a back 3 mate.. souttar.. flint.. jagileka.. doesn’t look good for Taylor or forrester.. prob go back out on loan That back line looks fucking awful I think only one of those 3 would feature in a back 3? And it's got to be Souttar (if fit) No way Jagielka or Flint could play in the 2 wider roles, and MON would want Souttar in the middle. So I think it's definitely hinting at a back 4. Where Wilmot fits in wuold be interesting though
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Post by mowlee on Jun 9, 2022 9:14:13 GMT
To me it shows MON muddled thinking, Baath was let go, high wages apart, for his uncomfortability on the ball, now Flint who is probably worse..At times under him it feels like we are splashing around in the deep end😞 your right like.. very similar too Danny.. just taller.. obviously on cheap wages.. but what cheap.. 10k a week
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Post by mowlee on Jun 9, 2022 9:14:58 GMT
looks like a back 3 mate.. souttar.. flint.. jagileka.. doesn’t look good for Taylor or forrester.. prob go back out on loan That back line looks fucking awful ha ha looks solid but abit slow.. wouldn’t get beat in the air but god help us against the quick ones
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Post by scfcno1fan on Jun 9, 2022 9:15:08 GMT
Fuck sake.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 9, 2022 9:16:52 GMT
That back line looks fucking awful I think only one of those 3 would feature in a back 3? And it's got to be Souttar (if fit) No way Jagielka or Flint could play in the 2 wider roles, and MON would want Souttar in the middle. So I think it's definitely hinting at a back 4. Where Wilmot fits in wuold be interesting though That would be my hope FM! You couldn't have that line up. Wilmot for right back surely?
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 9, 2022 9:17:02 GMT
To me it shows MON muddled thinking, Baath was let go, high wages apart, for his uncomfortability on the ball, now Flint who is probably worse..At times under him it feels like we are splashing around in the deep end😞 your right like.. very similar too Danny.. just taller.. obviously on cheap wages.. but what cheap.. 10k a week I get the impression 10k is very good money in the Championship this summer for new deals. And 15 is absolute top whack. So would guess someone like Flint would be on considerably lower than 10, but who knows?
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 9, 2022 9:18:09 GMT
I think only one of those 3 would feature in a back 3? And it's got to be Souttar (if fit) No way Jagielka or Flint could play in the 2 wider roles, and MON would want Souttar in the middle. So I think it's definitely hinting at a back 4. Where Wilmot fits in wuold be interesting though That would be my hope FM! You couldn't have that line up. Wilmot for right back surely? I hope not. I'm banking on the right-back being a game-changer!
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Post by potterpaul on Jun 9, 2022 9:19:46 GMT
Yeah true but I'm more concerned that it never suits him playing deep in the midfield 3 either. I’d play him up front with Brown and Campbell either side. You could but is it getting the best out of him?
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Post by mowlee on Jun 9, 2022 9:24:28 GMT
your right like.. very similar too Danny.. just taller.. obviously on cheap wages.. but what cheap.. 10k a week I get the impression 10k is very good money in the Championship this summer for new deals. And 15 is absolute top whack. So would guess someone like Flint would be on considerably lower than 10, but who knows? I would imagine more 7/8k week at a guess.. he is solid.. scores from afew corners.. it’s just the slow side that will scare the shit out of us.. wonder what happened too mons plans.. signed a 39 year old hitting 40 in 2 months.. an a 32 year old hitting 33 in a month.. is he losing the plot or what
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Post by cheadlepotter on Jun 9, 2022 9:30:26 GMT
Souttar/Flint/Jagielka makes it very unlikely we’ll be playing a back three. So we’re looking at either
NEW RB Wilmot Souttar Tymon (Flint and Jagielka subs)
Or
Wilmot Souttar Flint/Jagielka Tymon
I’d say the latter would be more likely as we’ve got Duhaney for RB back up and Flint/Jagielka plus maybe Forrester or Taylor for CB back up.
FTR, this isn’t me saying this is what I’d go for! I’d have a back three of Wilmot, Souttar and Forrester/Taylor or a back four of Souttar and Wilmot/Forrester/Taylor (depending on fitness and opposition) and buy someone who can play both RWB and RB.
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Post by lordb on Jun 9, 2022 9:31:31 GMT
To me it shows MON muddled thinking, Baath was let go, high wages apart, for his uncomfortability on the ball, now Flint who is probably worse..At times under him it feels like we are splashing around in the deep end😞 Flint will be getting, if it's true, massively lower wages than Batth, would suggest possibly less than a third of what Danny was on Flint might well be shit of course, we'll see however the muddled thinking is unfair, Batth had to go he was on far too much money for a bit part player Agree with everyone else that if true it's underwhelming at best but what it illustrates is the financial pond we are fishing in, i.e. Lower/lowest end Championship free transfers and loans Sack the manager tomorrow and any new manager will be fishing in the same pond Given we are not going to signing better players this summer we need a manager who can get the most out of the squad I think we will be the least attractive option for a new manager we have been since Boskamp pitched up with 8 contracted players Keep or sack the manager doesn't look like happy days either way
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Post by chiswickpotter on Jun 9, 2022 9:33:46 GMT
QPR were very keen on him in January but his wages of over £30k a week blocked it
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Post by StokieBoy31 on Jun 9, 2022 9:34:03 GMT
He was Cardiffs top scorer last season… with 6 😂
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Post by mowlee on Jun 9, 2022 9:34:26 GMT
Souttar/Flint/Jagielka makes it very unlikely we’ll be playing a back three. So we’re looking at either NEW RB Wilmot Souttar Tymon (Flint and Jagielka subs) Or Wilmot Souttar Flint/Jagielka Tymon I’d say the latter would be more likely as we’ve got Duhaney for RB back up and Flint/Jagielka plus maybe Forrester or Taylor for CB back up. FTR, this isn’t me saying this is what I’d go for! I’d have a back three of Forrester, Souttar and Taylor and buy a RWB. back three it will be otherwise he wouldn’t of got flint.. Tymon is a good wing-back.. shite at left back.. love it or hate it.. he’s planning on a back 3
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Post by cheadlepotter on Jun 9, 2022 9:36:41 GMT
Souttar/Flint/Jagielka makes it very unlikely we’ll be playing a back three. So we’re looking at either NEW RB Wilmot Souttar Tymon (Flint and Jagielka subs) Or Wilmot Souttar Flint/Jagielka Tymon I’d say the latter would be more likely as we’ve got Duhaney for RB back up and Flint/Jagielka plus maybe Forrester or Taylor for CB back up. FTR, this isn’t me saying this is what I’d go for! I’d have a back three of Forrester, Souttar and Taylor and buy a RWB. back three it will be otherwise he wouldn’t of got flint.. Tymon is a good wing-back.. shite at left back.. love it or hate it.. he’s planning on a back 3 How? Souttar would play in the middle of a back three but there’s no way we’d play Jagielka or Flint either side surely? That would be madness.
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Post by werrington on Jun 9, 2022 9:37:32 GMT
I think judgment has already been passed Take him dow….send him back
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Post by mowlee on Jun 9, 2022 9:38:32 GMT
back three it will be otherwise he wouldn’t of got flint.. Tymon is a good wing-back.. shite at left back.. love it or hate it.. he’s planning on a back 3 How? Souttar would play in the middle of a back three but there’s no way we’d play Jagielka or Flint either side surely? That would be madness. souttar.. jagileka.. forester.. flint.. Taylor.. afew centres backs.. an like a said.. Tymons not a left back.. he’s always preferred a back 3
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Post by theonlooker on Jun 9, 2022 9:41:16 GMT
I think judgment has already been passed Take him dow….send him back This one is a record. The court was due to sit this afternoon but a plea has been entered and accepted before the case. A dark day.
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Post by werrington on Jun 9, 2022 9:43:33 GMT
I think judgment has already been passed Take him dow….send him back This one is a record. The court was due to sit this afternoon but a plea has been entered and accepted before the case. A dark day. Condemned after one post 😊
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 9, 2022 9:43:51 GMT
As much as we try, I don't think it's realistic to expect fans not to comment on the track record of a soon-to-be 33yo with 400 league games under their belt
He is what he is at this stage.
And, to be fair, as a meat-and-two-veg centre-half, he may be okay.
But it's just asking where a meat-and-two-veg centre-back, with well-defined strengths and weaknesses, would fit into things here, given what we have seemingly aimed to be over the last 2 seasons and the personnel already here
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Post by cheadlepotter on Jun 9, 2022 9:46:39 GMT
How? Souttar would play in the middle of a back three but there’s no way we’d play Jagielka or Flint either side surely? That would be madness. souttar.. jagileka.. forester.. flint.. Taylor.. afew centres backs.. an like a said.. Tymons not a left back.. he’s always preferred a back 3 I think Tymon is ok at left back and there’s Fox for competition. I think that Forrester and Taylor will be loaned out so CBs of Wilmot, Souttar, Flint and Jagielka means we wouldn’t be seeing much of a back three as only Wilmot should play at RCB and nobody at LCB.
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Post by werrington on Jun 9, 2022 9:47:39 GMT
As much as we try, I don't think it's realistic to expect fans not to comment on the track record of a soon-to-be 33yo with 400 league games. He is what he is at this stage. And, to be fair, as a meat-and-two-veg centre-half, he may be okay. But it's just asking where a meat-and-two-veg centre-back, with well-defined strengths and weaknessnes, would fit into things here, given what we have seemingly aimed to be over the last 2 seasons There’s no discussion though is there FM Words like he’s shit etc serve no purpose and isn’t a discussion Odimwingie was slaughtered but look how that turned out so just a little patience wouldn’t go a miss and give the lad a chance …..he’s 8 years younger than Jagielka
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Post by mowlee on Jun 9, 2022 9:48:57 GMT
souttar.. jagileka.. forester.. flint.. Taylor.. afew centres backs.. an like a said.. Tymons not a left back.. he’s always preferred a back 3 I think Tymon is ok at left back and there’s Fox for competition. I think that Forrester and Taylor will be loaned out so CBs of Wilmot, Souttar, Flint and Jagielka means we wouldn’t be seeing much of a back three as only Wilmot should play at RCB and nobody at LCB. we’ll soon see then won’t we in the friendlies.. u would be abit naive too think it’s a back 4.. also I accually forgot about Wilmot an fox.. so that’s 7 centre backs
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Post by cheadlepotter on Jun 9, 2022 9:51:53 GMT
I think Tymon is ok at left back and there’s Fox for competition. I think that Forrester and Taylor will be loaned out so CBs of Wilmot, Souttar, Flint and Jagielka means we wouldn’t be seeing much of a back three as only Wilmot should play at RCB and nobody at LCB. we’ll soon see then won’t we in the friendlies.. u would be abit naive too think it’s a back 4.. also I accually forgot about Wilmot an fox.. so that’s 7 centre backs Either way with already having so many CBs it’s an unnecessary addition.
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Post by theonlooker on Jun 9, 2022 9:52:55 GMT
As much as we try, I don't think it's realistic to expect fans not to comment on the track record of a soon-to-be 33yo with 400 league games under their belt He is what he is at this stage. And, to be fair, as a meat-and-two-veg centre-half, he may be okay. But it's just asking where a meat-and-two-veg centre-back, with well-defined strengths and weaknesses, would fit into things here, given what we have seemingly aimed to be over the last 2 seasons and the personnel already here Put the argument on the other foot though. In the second half of last season the manager was getting pelters on here for his plan A not working. If he's taken a step back, looked at what he has done or tried to do and realised it hasn't worked, and is prepared to be brutally honest and change it then surely it's a positive? He said at the end of last season that maybe he needs to go in a different direction and add more physicality into the mix and it looks like he's as good as his word and is going to add some physicality into the mix. At least it's Thursday though. Debate day. 🤣
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Post by wilcopotter on Jun 9, 2022 9:54:45 GMT
I'm really not happy about this one, I've got a Bristol City & a Boro fans telling me how shit he is and he played for them in his "prime". He's the complete opposite of what we need when looking at centre halves, he's slow and can't pass for shit. He's big and decent in the air but apparently is a complete fanny with a mistake in him constantly. Much like 90% of all Championship central defenders.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jun 9, 2022 9:55:10 GMT
How? Souttar would play in the middle of a back three but there’s no way we’d play Jagielka or Flint either side surely? That would be madness. souttar.. jagileka.. forester.. flint.. Taylor.. afew centres backs.. an like a said.. Tymons not a left back.. he’s always preferred a back 3 None of which should play on the left of a three and more than half of them would be competing for the same spot, seems pointless.
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