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Post by oggyoggy on Aug 9, 2022 11:09:31 GMT
£4,200 a year. And our PM and Chancellor of the Exchequer are on holiday. Our govt couldn't care less, they claim their energy bills back and are paid by the taxpayer anyway www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-62475171Does anybody know a millionaire tory donor who would be willing to pay for my energy bills?
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Post by questionable on Aug 9, 2022 11:28:15 GMT
Guy we know from Dudley works in the import side of things relating to all things fuel, mainly industrial may I add.
Last time we spoke he told me exactly how things would pan out after Covid as the major fuel companies wanted their money back after lock down/s plus they had gazillion litres of E5 fuel left to sell, BS shortage rumours circulated and it was common knowledge that joe public would be hammered but with the inflated prices the Government would reap the VAT rewards to pay for furlough.
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Post by ravey123 on Aug 9, 2022 11:58:44 GMT
£4,200 a year. And our PM and Chancellor of the Exchequer are on holiday. Our govt couldn't care less, they claim their energy bills back and are paid by the taxpayer anyway www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-62475171I wish our was only £4200. We pay that just for the oil then approx £1600 ontop for electricity - try getting a dual fuel/capped price when you do not have access to gas. It’s bloody criminal
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Post by questionable on Aug 9, 2022 12:09:43 GMT
£4,200 a year. And our PM and Chancellor of the Exchequer are on holiday. Our govt couldn't care less, they claim their energy bills back and are paid by the taxpayer anyway www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-62475171I wish our was only £4200. We pay that just for the oil then approx £1600 ontop for electricity - try getting a dual fuel/capped price when you do not have access to gas. It’s bloody criminal Same here no gas supply anyway near us, only option is oil, yes there’s the option to have Calor Gas installed but Christ above the set up costs a fortune and the saving on Calor gas to oil is ridiculous but it’s greener they said, sod that for a lark. Then there’s the situation I get billed for my oil delivery in full and not an option to pay monthly.
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Post by ravey123 on Aug 9, 2022 12:23:46 GMT
I wish our was only £4200. We pay that just for the oil then approx £1600 ontop for electricity - try getting a dual fuel/capped price when you do not have access to gas. It’s bloody criminal Same here no gas supply anyway near us, only option is oil, yes there’s the option to have Calor Gas installed but Christ above the set up costs a fortune and the saving on Calor gas to oil is ridiculous but it’s greener they said, sod that for a lark. Then there’s the situation I get billed for my oil delivery in full and not an option to pay monthly. I'm getting the chainsaw out this weekend in readiness for logs this winter and there are some very nervous trees down the lane and in the fields - not good for the environment I know but what else can I do. I genuinely don't know what people are going to do unless something is sorted. Our fuel has basically gone from just over £160 per month to almost £500 per month in the space of 6 months (that's from taxed income) so equivalant to a loss of £340 per month after tax in expendable income - added to that no pay rise this year and I really don't know here the money is coming from. Also, I count myself lucky to have a decent job with decent money - god help those on minimum wage - I just don't know how they will cope.
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Post by GrahamHyde on Aug 9, 2022 12:24:36 GMT
Not much of a price cap if it can go from £1,200 to £4,200 in the space of a year is it?
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Post by questionable on Aug 9, 2022 12:32:31 GMT
Same here no gas supply anyway near us, only option is oil, yes there’s the option to have Calor Gas installed but Christ above the set up costs a fortune and the saving on Calor gas to oil is ridiculous but it’s greener they said, sod that for a lark. Then there’s the situation I get billed for my oil delivery in full and not an option to pay monthly. I'm getting the chainsaw out this weekend in readiness for logs this winter and there are some very nervous trees down the lane and in the fields - not good for the environment I know but what else can I do. I genuinely don't know what people are going to do unless something is sorted. Our fuel has basically gone from just over £160 per month to almost £500 per month in the space of 6 months (that's from taxed income) so equivalant to a loss of £340 per month after tax in expendable income - added to that no pay rise this year and I really don't know here the money is coming from. Also, I count myself lucky to have a decent job with decent money - god help those on minimum wage - I just don't know how they will cope. I’m forever moaning at the wife about her using the electric/hot water, she simply laughs and states she’s not adhering to my tight arsed standards, I’m not tight but I refuse to pay pure greedy suppliers. Pure f’in greed and it pisses me off, and the wife 🤣
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Post by Northy on Aug 9, 2022 15:36:51 GMT
I'm getting the chainsaw out this weekend in readiness for logs this winter and there are some very nervous trees down the lane and in the fields - not good for the environment I know but what else can I do. I genuinely don't know what people are going to do unless something is sorted. Our fuel has basically gone from just over £160 per month to almost £500 per month in the space of 6 months (that's from taxed income) so equivalant to a loss of £340 per month after tax in expendable income - added to that no pay rise this year and I really don't know here the money is coming from. Also, I count myself lucky to have a decent job with decent money - god help those on minimum wage - I just don't know how they will cope. I’m forever moaning at the wife about her using the electric/hot water, she simply laughs and states she’s not adhering to my tight arsed standards, I’m not tight but I refuse to pay pure greedy suppliers. Pure f’in greed and it pisses me off, and the wife 🤣 sell her clothes on vinted to pay for the heating bills, she'll soon get the hint
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Post by superjw on Aug 9, 2022 17:13:18 GMT
Not much of a price cap if it can go from £1,200 to £4,200 in the space of a year is it? More like profit targets for the energy companies at this point. This price cap in no way protects the consumer anymore
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Post by andystokey on Aug 9, 2022 17:23:58 GMT
Same here no gas supply anyway near us, only option is oil, yes there’s the option to have Calor Gas installed but Christ above the set up costs a fortune and the saving on Calor gas to oil is ridiculous but it’s greener they said, sod that for a lark. Then there’s the situation I get billed for my oil delivery in full and not an option to pay monthly. I'm getting the chainsaw out this weekend in readiness for logs this winter and there are some very nervous trees down the lane and in the fields - not good for the environment I know but what else can I do. I genuinely don't know what people are going to do unless something is sorted. Our fuel has basically gone from just over £160 per month to almost £500 per month in the space of 6 months (that's from taxed income) so equivalant to a loss of £340 per month after tax in expendable income - added to that no pay rise this year and I really don't know here the money is coming from. Also, I count myself lucky to have a decent job with decent money - god help those on minimum wage - I just don't know how they will cope. In the same boat mate, no mains gas or sewerage. Just did a "summer" oil fill at 85p/litre but I'll need another by October. I've begrudgingly chosen to pay in advance by DD to spread my cost. Based on my current usage and point price I'm looking at £250/ month for oil. I usually get a couple of cords of logs in the summer ready for winter too. I looked just last week and they are double last years prices for Ash or Oak. Another £500 for a large pallet. All unregulated prices thats before my electricity kicks in. I reckon probably £5-600/mo all in if I manage to spread it out. I have no idea how the old widow pensioner over the road will cope. At least I can bung her a few logs to keep her warm.
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Post by andystokey on Aug 9, 2022 17:30:39 GMT
I wish our was only £4200. We pay that just for the oil then approx £1600 ontop for electricity - try getting a dual fuel/capped price when you do not have access to gas. It’s bloody criminal Same here no gas supply anyway near us, only option is oil, yes there’s the option to have Calor Gas installed but Christ above the set up costs a fortune and the saving on Calor gas to oil is ridiculous but it’s greener they said, sod that for a lark. Then there’s the situation I get billed for my oil delivery in full and not an option to pay monthly. I just joined NWF priority customer scheme. They will give you a free Fox radar meter for your tank and Premium pure kerosene instead of basic for the same price. If you sign up they will give you a monthly DD account and set a regular charge to suit. They will also deliver as a priority if there are shortages or if you need it immediately. You do lose your shopping around option but I can't afford the 1000litre drop at an unforseen price anymore. DM me if you want any details.
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Post by ravey123 on Aug 9, 2022 18:46:06 GMT
I'm getting the chainsaw out this weekend in readiness for logs this winter and there are some very nervous trees down the lane and in the fields - not good for the environment I know but what else can I do. I genuinely don't know what people are going to do unless something is sorted. Our fuel has basically gone from just over £160 per month to almost £500 per month in the space of 6 months (that's from taxed income) so equivalant to a loss of £340 per month after tax in expendable income - added to that no pay rise this year and I really don't know here the money is coming from. Also, I count myself lucky to have a decent job with decent money - god help those on minimum wage - I just don't know how they will cope. In the same boat mate, no mains gas or sewerage. Just did a "summer" oil fill at 85p/litre but I'll need another by October. I've begrudgingly chosen to pay in advance by DD to spread my cost. Based on my current usage and point price I'm looking at £250/ month for oil. I usually get a couple of cords of logs in the summer ready for winter too. I looked just last week and they are double last years prices for Ash or Oak. Another £500 for a large pallet. All unregulated prices thats before my electricity kicks in. I reckon probably £5-600/mo all in if I manage to spread it out. I have no idea how the old widow pensioner over the road will cope. At least I can bung her a few logs to keep her warm. We’ve had to put an alarm on the oil tank - can you believe theft of heating oil is now a thing? A few properties down the country lane have had their tanks emptied by oil thieves 🤬
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Aug 10, 2022 6:45:31 GMT
Looked at fixing to a new tariff yesterday for electric only with British gas. Just the £430 a month. They can fuck right off. Extremely cheap sim only deal here if it helps anyone out, I'll be transferring 2 of ours over to it. Uses Vodafone network. www.hotukdeals.com/share-deal-from-app/3978870
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Post by andystokey on Aug 10, 2022 7:05:39 GMT
£3.47billion profit for e-on in 6 months of 2022.
They don't drill gas they just distribute.
Makes no sense.
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Post by superjw on Aug 10, 2022 9:33:35 GMT
£3.47billion profit for e-on in 6 months of 2022. They don't drill gas they just distribute. Makes no sense. It makes perfect sense, selling energy at astronomical levels way above the prices they are actually paying at source.When emotion is taken out of it, its as simple as that. Consumers are being charged disproportionately against the energy prices with massively inflated profit margins. With the enablement of the price cap. Profiteering.
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Post by superjw on Aug 10, 2022 9:37:04 GMT
Looked at fixing to a new tariff yesterday for electric only with British gas. Just the £430 a month. They can fuck right off. Extremely cheap sim only deal here if it helps anyone out, I'll be transferring 2 of ours over to it. Uses Vodafone network. www.hotukdeals.com/share-deal-from-app/3978870I'm doing this too, on the hunt for better deals to try and save money where I can. I've cancelled a load of appliance insurances sold to me by Currys, National Trust, changed mobile contract and a few other bits. I'm on about £80 a month saved right now in direct debits. This is what people will do now, recess their spending.
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Post by deeside2 on Aug 10, 2022 11:37:06 GMT
Not fuel as such but I wonder how long will it be until the water companies are also wanting to greatly increase their charges to pay for "improvements and repairs" to their existing infrastructure. The BBC News reported yesterday that Thames Water (I think it was, or some other company in that area) estimate they are losing about 25% of their water due to leaks, and that costs to fix them would run into hundreds of millions of pounds. Apparently it's similar across the country. The reporter said in view of the lack of rainfall and low reservoir levels it's only a matter of time before costs rise.
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Post by questionable on Aug 10, 2022 12:35:30 GMT
Not fuel as such but I wonder how long will it be until the water companies are also wanting to greatly increase their charges to pay for "improvements and repairs" to their existing infrastructure. The BBC News reported yesterday that Thames Water (I think it was, or some other company in that area) estimate they are losing about 25% of their water due to leaks, and that costs to fix them would run into hundreds of millions of pounds. Apparently it's similar across the country. The reporter said in view of the lack of rainfall and low reservoir levels it's only a matter of time before costs rise. Don’t start me on this but the Audlem to Whitchurch Road there’s been 2 repairs to the main water pipe recently and it’s burst again now and has been leaking now for approximately 3 weeks. If it was possible I’d water my garden from the leak.
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Post by dirtygary69 on Aug 10, 2022 13:03:53 GMT
How can wages not go up with this? It's not just unaffordable, it's criminal. Next month will be my first debt free month in God knows how many years, and it's just going to go on life's basic requirements.
Enough is enough.
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Post by questionable on Aug 10, 2022 14:03:47 GMT
How can wages not go up with this? It's not just unaffordable, it's criminal. Next month will be my first debt free month in God knows how many years, and it's just going to go on life's basic requirements. Enough is enough. We pretty much know what pay rise we’ll be getting but then told redundancies will follow as a result of the pay rise, work that one out
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Post by salopstick on Aug 10, 2022 17:24:23 GMT
Just paid 169.9 for diesel at grindley brook
Will never use Morrisons Drayton again
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Post by Hereward the Wake ᛊᛏᛟᚲᛖ on Aug 10, 2022 18:22:01 GMT
Using red Diesel has been a big help for me 😁
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Post by questionable on Aug 10, 2022 19:10:37 GMT
Just paid 169.9 for diesel at grindley brook Will never use Morrisons Drayton again Don’t get me started on Morrison’s robbing bastards....
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Post by dirtygary69 on Aug 10, 2022 21:59:35 GMT
Just paid 169.9 for diesel at grindley brook Will never use Morrisons Drayton again Don’t get me started on Morrison’s robbing bastards.... Not just the fuel either. I bought a bag of shopping the other day, nothing special, over 40 quid. Scandalous.
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Post by wilcopotter on Aug 11, 2022 6:39:35 GMT
I'm getting the chainsaw out this weekend in readiness for logs this winter and there are some very nervous trees down the lane and in the fields - not good for the environment I know but what else can I do. I genuinely don't know what people are going to do unless something is sorted. Our fuel has basically gone from just over £160 per month to almost £500 per month in the space of 6 months (that's from taxed income) so equivalant to a loss of £340 per month after tax in expendable income - added to that no pay rise this year and I really don't know here the money is coming from. Also, I count myself lucky to have a decent job with decent money - god help those on minimum wage - I just don't know how they will cope. In the same boat mate, no mains gas or sewerage. Just did a "summer" oil fill at 85p/litre but I'll need another by October. I've begrudgingly chosen to pay in advance by DD to spread my cost. Based on my current usage and point price I'm looking at £250/ month for oil. I usually get a couple of cords of logs in the summer ready for winter too. I looked just last week and they are double last years prices for Ash or Oak. Another £500 for a large pallet. All unregulated prices thats before my electricity kicks in. I reckon probably £5-600/mo all in if I manage to spread it out. I have no idea how the old widow pensioner over the road will cope. At least I can bung her a few logs to keep her warm. Your last paragraph…………….though well meant it is tragic that you have to even contemplate this in 2022, it’s like something out of a Charles Dickens novel. Fair play to you though.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 11, 2022 9:21:11 GMT
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Post by cvillestokie on Aug 11, 2022 9:36:27 GMT
But what’s the solution? The country is so vastly overpopulated. It’s NHS struggles to cope because old people live longer and need more care. It’s energy suppliers struggle because they never spent enough money investing in alternative energies as the benefits wouldn’t be realized in that election cycle. They’ve been papering over cracks for a long time. Perhaps they should introduce a one child policy and restrict long term immigration levels to bring down population levels over a series of generations? Edit: this is unlikely to ever happen in a Western country that believes heavily in democracy. It still doesn’t mean that population reductions worldwide wouldn’t solve a lot of the world’s problems though.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 11, 2022 9:46:02 GMT
But what’s the solution? The country is so vastly overpopulated. It’s NHS struggles to cope because old people live longer and need more care. It’s energy suppliers struggle because they never spent enough money investing in alternative energies as the benefits wouldn’t be realized in that election cycle. They’ve been papering over cracks for a long time. Perhaps they should introduce a one child policy and restrict long term immigration levels to bring down population levels over a series of generations? I don't know.....but politicians put themselves forward as ones who offer solutions. I suppose there's the immediate concerns; People on the Oatcake have suggested a wealth tax on the energy companies. Perhaps alongside a much lower price cap. Plus public ownership ( non - profit) as a priority/ start the process immediately. A substantial increase in development forms of alternative forms of energy/ green energy. Plus...every new house to have a solar panel?...not feasible? What is the latest in wave power? ....but in the meantime continue to use fossil fuels as much as necessary. Anyone know of anything innovative in terms of insulation/ energy saving? How effective would small wind turbines be? Obviously it is more complicated than I make out, I know nothing, but what is the alternative?...I don't think doing nothing/ very little will work. www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/cost-of-living/martin-lewis-says-uk-brink-24717101
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Post by thebet365 on Aug 11, 2022 9:55:09 GMT
Does anyone know if these extortionate jumps in prices are before or after the Rebate ?
I know long term something needs to be done but from a short term perspective when Martin is saying £100 a month will go upto £181 a month will that equate to me having to pay £115 and the rebate covers the rest for the next 6 months or will I be paying £181 plus they get the rebate ?
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Aug 11, 2022 11:13:51 GMT
Does anyone know if these extortionate jumps in prices are before or after the Rebate ? I know long term something needs to be done but from a short term perspective when Martin is saying £100 a month will go upto £181 a month will that equate to me having to pay £115 and the rebate covers the rest for the next 6 months or will I be paying £181 plus they get the rebate ? My latest bill (and direct debit increase) did not reference the rebate.
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