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Apr 16, 2024 17:50:24 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 16, 2024 17:50:24 GMT
So, in a nutshell, bayernoatcake of Oatcake infamy is a better judge of a talented footballer’s development than one of the greatest and most successful managers of all time? Talk about delusions of grandeur! Guardiola doesn’t really do young players though. Never has done. And he spaffed 100m on Jack Grealish which should always be judged 🤣🤮
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Post by lordb on Apr 16, 2024 17:51:50 GMT
Because when he’s been given a chance he hasn’t taken it. He’s still got a lot to prove in the national side, like so many talented players before him he’s not fulfilled his potential for England yet. I don’t really see what else Pep could have done with him. He’s played regularly, been brilliant for them, and won the lot. What else could he have done exactly? We’re just going round in circles. Re England he’s not been given a consistent chance and by someone who wants to drop him at every opportunity. Re Man City. It’s only this season he’s played more centrally. He should have played more often sooner and played centrally sooner. Instead of De Bruyne? One of the best players ever to play in this country? Yes now but over the last few years absolutely no way Re Pep and Foden you've been proven to be be utterly wrong According to you Southgate wants 'to drop him at every opportunity' Do you practice talking utter shit or does it just come naturally?
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Post by mickstupp on Apr 16, 2024 17:51:51 GMT
He really hasn’t. He got into the England team because of covid which was just wrong. The useless Southgate still doesn’t trust him. And Pep only really has from this season and more so because KDB has been injured. I’m not sure people realise just what they have with him. Considering he doesn't trust him he plays him a lot Gave him his first cap at 19 and has since picked him 34 times. That’s not bad for someone who can’t wait to drop him.
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Apr 16, 2024 17:54:13 GMT
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Post by lordb on Apr 16, 2024 17:54:13 GMT
If it’s made into a 26 man squad which seems likely would there be any complaints with the below? Pickford Ramsdale Henderson Walker Alexander Arnold Stones Maguire Guehi Colwill Shaw Trippier Gomez Chillwell Rice Bellingham Gallagher Mainoo Rashford Palmer Bowen Saka Foden Grealish Kane Toney Watkins Is it likely? If so Ward Prowse instead of Gallagher think I'd pick Gordon instead of Rashford maybe one or two other differences
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Post by y_oh_y_delilah on Apr 16, 2024 17:54:14 GMT
So, in a nutshell, bayernoatcake of Oatcake infamy is a better judge of a talented footballer’s development than one of the greatest and most successful managers of all time? Talk about delusions of grandeur! Guardiola doesn’t really do young players though. Never has done. And he spaffed 100m on Jack Grealish which should always be judged 🤣🤮 In that case you won’t have noticed just how many academy players have been included in first team squads this season at Manchester City? On the contrary, Guardiola has nurtured young talent and introduced them into the first team at just the right time in their careers. IMO of course.
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Apr 16, 2024 17:55:04 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 16, 2024 17:55:04 GMT
We’re just going round in circles. Re England he’s not been given a consistent chance and by someone who wants to drop him at every opportunity. Re Man City. It’s only this season he’s played more centrally. He should have played more often sooner and played centrally sooner. Instead of De Bruyne? One of the best players ever to play in this country? Yes now but over the last few years absolutely no way Re Pep and Foden you've been proven to be be utterly wrong According to you Southgate wants 'to drop him at every opportunity' Do you practice talking utter shit or does it just come naturally? Probably yes instead of De Bruyne. Foden is and will be better than him. Southgate has shown very little desire to use him correctly. But then again he’s an awful manager so it’s no surprise.
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England
Apr 16, 2024 17:55:58 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 16, 2024 17:55:58 GMT
Guardiola doesn’t really do young players though. Never has done. And he spaffed 100m on Jack Grealish which should always be judged 🤣🤮 In that case you won’t have noticed just how many academy players have been included in first team squads this season at Manchester City? On the contrary, Guardiola has nurtured young talent and introduced them into the first team at just the right time in their careers. IMO of course. And barely played. Rico Lewis should be used more too. Other than that there’s no one really. Oscar Bobb has had the odd game.
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England
Apr 16, 2024 18:00:05 GMT
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Post by mickstupp on Apr 16, 2024 18:00:05 GMT
In that case you won’t have noticed just how many academy players have been included in first team squads this season at Manchester City? On the contrary, Guardiola has nurtured young talent and introduced them into the first team at just the right time in their careers. IMO of course. And barely played. Rico Lewis should be used more too. Other than that there’s no one really. Oscar Bobb has had the odd game. Again though, Lewis at the age of 19 has played 50+ times already. That’s perfecty acceptable game time for a young player at the very highest level.
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Apr 16, 2024 18:01:21 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 16, 2024 18:01:21 GMT
And barely played. Rico Lewis should be used more too. Other than that there’s no one really. Oscar Bobb has had the odd game. Again though, Lewis at the age of 19 has played 50+ times already. That’s perfect acceptable game time for a young player at the very highest level. And should be played more and should imo be a shoe in for this England squad for the Euros. But he’s not.
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Apr 16, 2024 18:03:07 GMT
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 16, 2024 18:03:07 GMT
If it’s made into a 26 man squad which seems likely would there be any complaints with the below? Pickford Ramsdale Henderson Walker Alexander Arnold Stones Maguire Guehi Colwill Shaw Trippier Gomez Chillwell Rice Bellingham Gallagher Mainoo Rashford Palmer Bowen Saka Foden Grealish Kane Toney Watkins Is it likely? If so Ward Prowse instead of Gallagher think I'd pick Gordon instead of Rashford maybe one or two other differences Sorry I think this is what Southgate picks. I would have Ward Prowse in there definitely. Think Rashford nicks a place for his big tournament experience and that he usually does ok for England (those two goals against those welsh twats maybe clouding my judgement). Not much to change there though is there? The one I struggled to fit in was Maddison and I don’t think he’ll make it based on positions covered. I think Gallagher has to go as the Rice cover along with Mainoo if he decides to go with two DM’s.
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Apr 16, 2024 18:05:43 GMT
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Post by mickstupp on Apr 16, 2024 18:05:43 GMT
Again though, Lewis at the age of 19 has played 50+ times already. That’s perfect acceptable game time for a young player at the very highest level. And should be played more and should imo be a shoe in for this England squad for the Euros. But he’s not. We’re well stocked at right full back. There’s no need to rush him into England squads as a teenager. How many more games should he have played? 10? 20? What difference would that have made to his development other than make him more susceptible to injury?
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Apr 16, 2024 18:08:26 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 16, 2024 18:08:26 GMT
And should be played more and should imo be a shoe in for this England squad for the Euros. But he’s not. We’re well stocked at right full back. There’s no need to rush him into England squads as a teenager. How many more games should he have played? 10? 20? What difference would that have made to his development other than make him more susceptible to injury? He can play both full back roles and central midfield. He’s a better full back than TAA, more use than Gallagher in midfield and about the second best left back we have imo (unless you count Trippier). Such a useful player to have in a squad for tournament like this.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 16, 2024 18:09:26 GMT
And should be played more and should imo be a shoe in for this England squad for the Euros. But he’s not. We’re well stocked at right full back. There’s no need to rush him into England squads as a teenager. How many more games should he have played? 10? 20? What difference would that have made to his development other than make him more susceptible to injury? Nowhere near ready for international tournament nogger. Great prospect though. The World Cup should be a realistic aim for him
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Apr 16, 2024 18:10:46 GMT
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Post by lordb on Apr 16, 2024 18:10:46 GMT
Is it likely? If so Ward Prowse instead of Gallagher think I'd pick Gordon instead of Rashford maybe one or two other differences Sorry I think this is what Southgate picks. I would have Ward Prowse in there definitely. Think Rashford nicks a place for his big tournament experience and that he usually does ok for England (those two goals against those welsh twats maybe clouding my judgement). Not much to change there though is there? The one I struggled to fit in was Maddison and I don’t think he’ll make it based on positions covered. I think Gallagher has to go as the Rice cover along with Mainoo if he decides to go with two DM’s. I see yes think Southgate would pick that if allowed 26 Rashford also killed Italy at Wembley but can understand why he's not popular, streaky to say the least Don’t rate Gallagher at all, just seems like a runner Maddissin, Bowen two cracking players who won't make the squad For the World Cup qualifiers looking for Branthwaite and possibly Qansah to get a chance
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Apr 16, 2024 18:12:33 GMT
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Post by mickstupp on Apr 16, 2024 18:12:33 GMT
We’re well stocked at right full back. There’s no need to rush him into England squads as a teenager. How many more games should he have played? 10? 20? What difference would that have made to his development other than make him more susceptible to injury? He can play both full back roles and central midfield. He’s a better full back than TAA, more use than Gallagher in midfield and about the second best left back we have imo (unless you count Trippier). Such a useful player to have in a squad for tournament like this. He may still be included. We are going to be struggling at left back with Shaw almost certainly ruled out. I actually agree that versatility is important in these squads.
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Post by lordb on Apr 16, 2024 18:13:04 GMT
We’re well stocked at right full back. There’s no need to rush him into England squads as a teenager. How many more games should he have played? 10? 20? What difference would that have made to his development other than make him more susceptible to injury? He can play both full back roles and central midfield. He’s a better full back than TAA, more use than Gallagher in midfield and about the second best left back we have imo (unless you count Trippier). Such a useful player to have in a squad for tournament like this. Tripper would be ahead in the fullback pecking order both sides He's definitely a really good prospect but not seen enough of him under pressure to say what he's like defensively
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Apr 16, 2024 18:13:23 GMT
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 16, 2024 18:13:23 GMT
Sorry I think this is what Southgate picks. I would have Ward Prowse in there definitely. Think Rashford nicks a place for his big tournament experience and that he usually does ok for England (those two goals against those welsh twats maybe clouding my judgement). Not much to change there though is there? The one I struggled to fit in was Maddison and I don’t think he’ll make it based on positions covered. I think Gallagher has to go as the Rice cover along with Mainoo if he decides to go with two DM’s. I see yes think Southgate would pick that if allowed 26 Rashford also killed Italy at Wembley but can understand why he's not popular, streaky to say the least Don’t rate Gallagher at all, just seems like a runner Maddissin, Bowen two cracking players who won't make the squad For the World Cup qualifiers looking for Branthwaite and possibly Qansah to get a chance I think Bowen defo goes. He’s got the right temperament and a superb finisher and gives us something different as a “chalk on ya boots” type wide man. Totally agree on Branthwaite and Quansah. I’d even discard Stones after the Euros as a starter, he’s really not very good there
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Apr 16, 2024 18:13:31 GMT
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Post by lordb on Apr 16, 2024 18:13:31 GMT
He can play both full back roles and central midfield. He’s a better full back than TAA, more use than Gallagher in midfield and about the second best left back we have imo (unless you count Trippier). Such a useful player to have in a squad for tournament like this. He may still be included. We are going to be struggling at left back with Shaw almost certainly ruled out. I actually agree that versatility is important in these squads. If Shaw is out that's a real blow
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Apr 16, 2024 18:13:59 GMT
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Post by mickstupp on Apr 16, 2024 18:13:59 GMT
We’re well stocked at right full back. There’s no need to rush him into England squads as a teenager. How many more games should he have played? 10? 20? What difference would that have made to his development other than make him more susceptible to injury? Nowhere near ready for international tournament nogger. Great prospect though. The World Cup should be a realistic aim for him Yeah you’d imagine that this will be Kyle Walkers last tournament so a spot in the team is there for a younger player like Lewis.
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Apr 16, 2024 18:14:49 GMT
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Post by lordb on Apr 16, 2024 18:14:49 GMT
I see yes think Southgate would pick that if allowed 26 Rashford also killed Italy at Wembley but can understand why he's not popular, streaky to say the least Don’t rate Gallagher at all, just seems like a runner Maddissin, Bowen two cracking players who won't make the squad For the World Cup qualifiers looking for Branthwaite and possibly Qansah to get a chance I think Bowen defo goes. He’s got the right temperament and a superb finisher and gives us something different as a “chalk on ya boots” type wide man. Totally agree on Branthwaite and Quansah. I’d even discard Stones after the Euros as a starter, he’s really not very good there Saka, Foden, Palmer too much competition Completely disagree re Stones he's a class act
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Apr 16, 2024 18:15:04 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 16, 2024 18:15:04 GMT
He can play both full back roles and central midfield. He’s a better full back than TAA, more use than Gallagher in midfield and about the second best left back we have imo (unless you count Trippier). Such a useful player to have in a squad for tournament like this. Tripper would be ahead in the fullback pecking order both sides He's definitely a really good prospect but not seen enough of him under pressure to say what he's like defensively He would but I’d go Walker/Trippier/Shaw/Lewis And if Shaw won’t be fit then it’s a no brainer. And he’s a genuine DM for if Rice gets crocked.
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Apr 16, 2024 18:15:08 GMT
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 16, 2024 18:15:08 GMT
He can play both full back roles and central midfield. He’s a better full back than TAA, more use than Gallagher in midfield and about the second best left back we have imo (unless you count Trippier). Such a useful player to have in a squad for tournament like this. He may still be included. We are going to be struggling at left back with Shaw almost certainly ruled out. I actually agree that versatility is important in these squads. I think the inclusion of Gomez could be important, plays competently across all the back line. Frees up slots in more attacking areas with his versatility
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Post by mickstupp on Apr 16, 2024 18:15:47 GMT
He may still be included. We are going to be struggling at left back with Shaw almost certainly ruled out. I actually agree that versatility is important in these squads. If Shaw is out that's a real blow Touch and go, but we’ve seen before the risks of taking players who are rusty after a prolonged spell injured. It’s looking like Chillwell and one other unless I’m forgetting someone obvious.
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Post by lordb on Apr 16, 2024 18:16:22 GMT
Nowhere near ready for international tournament nogger. Great prospect though. The World Cup should be a realistic aim for him Yeah you’d imagine that this will be Kyle Walkers last tournament so a spot in the team is there for a younger player like Lewis. Walker still looks very sharp and he's a better more consistent player now than he was in his 20's Think he is under rated
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Apr 16, 2024 18:16:54 GMT
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 16, 2024 18:16:54 GMT
I think Bowen defo goes. He’s got the right temperament and a superb finisher and gives us something different as a “chalk on ya boots” type wide man. Totally agree on Branthwaite and Quansah. I’d even discard Stones after the Euros as a starter, he’s really not very good there Saka, Foden, Palmer too much competition Completely disagree re Stones he's a class act He’s a class “footballer” but I’m not convinced on his defensive attributes tbh, bit casual
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Apr 16, 2024 18:17:48 GMT
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 16, 2024 18:17:48 GMT
Yeah you’d imagine that this will be Kyle Walkers last tournament so a spot in the team is there for a younger player like Lewis. Walker still looks very sharp and he's a better more consistent player now than he was in his 20's Think he is under rated He is way better than he was 5 or 6 years ago absolutely. I used to hate the sight of him in an England shirt
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Apr 16, 2024 18:18:30 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 16, 2024 18:18:30 GMT
He may still be included. We are going to be struggling at left back with Shaw almost certainly ruled out. I actually agree that versatility is important in these squads. I think the inclusion of Gomez could be important, plays competently across all the back line. Frees up slots in more attacking areas with his versatility I really like Gomez. Defenders I’d go: Walker Trippier Stones Gomez Maguire Colwill Shaw Lewis
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Apr 16, 2024 18:18:31 GMT
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Post by lordb on Apr 16, 2024 18:18:31 GMT
Tripper would be ahead in the fullback pecking order both sides He's definitely a really good prospect but not seen enough of him under pressure to say what he's like defensively He would but I’d go Walker/Trippier/Shaw/Lewis And if Shaw won’t be fit then it’s a no brainer. And he’s a genuine DM for if Rice gets crocked. With the ball yes but is he going to win the ball and protect the back 4? Tbh I don't see any of the contenders to cover Rice doing that, it's a problem Really impressed with Mainoo though
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Apr 16, 2024 18:19:05 GMT
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Post by mickstupp on Apr 16, 2024 18:19:05 GMT
Yeah you’d imagine that this will be Kyle Walkers last tournament so a spot in the team is there for a younger player like Lewis. Walker still looks very sharp and he's a better more consistent player now than he was in his 20's Think he is under rated He’s brilliant, but he will be 34 in May and I think he’ll call it a day for England after the Euros.
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Apr 16, 2024 18:20:49 GMT
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 16, 2024 18:20:49 GMT
I think the inclusion of Gomez could be important, plays competently across all the back line. Frees up slots in more attacking areas with his versatility I really like Gomez. Defenders I’d go: Walker Trippier Stones Gomez Maguire Colwill Shaw Lewis More defenders will go than that (probably 2) especially as suggested it turns into a 26 man squad
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