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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 31, 2024 22:55:15 GMT
Almost 50 years on and (tragically) we're here again ...
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Post by wannabee on Aug 1, 2024 0:46:46 GMT
I agree with you mate It's quite bizarre a bunch of troglodytes would conflate chants of "Rule Britannia.... Britannia rules the waves" in memory of a superiority 300 hundred years ago but alas no longer with "stop the boats" which is anything but happening Adding "Save our kids" to the mixture which has nothing to do with Britannia or the Boats is pure genius and goes to show a good British Education is not wasted. It works both ways though doesn't it. Half of those Tarquins and Camillas who shout for Palestine to be free don't really understand why they are doing it. You could well be correct but in many respects, nowadays, this is one of the few reasons which makes Britain Great People can voice their opinions left, right or centre without fear as long as they do so without resorting to violence However it must be exhausting to be slavishly wedded to so called left or right stereotypes that preclude actually listening to an alternative opinion Instead of being angry at everything and parking our biases, if that's possible, when confronted with a question of moral dilemma there is a simple black or white question "What is the morally right answer here" It is morally wrong to murder innocent children in Southport It is morally wrong to conflate the murder of children in Southport with - take your pick, Boat people, immigrants etc It is morally wrong for Hamas to murder innocent Israeli's enjoying a Music Festival It is morally wrong for Israel to exact retribution on innocent Women and Children in Gaza There is no conflict in holding all of those positions and if you are a Tarquin or a Camillas that doesn't then they are simply a hypocrite There are a whole plethora of individual questions that can be asked where the answer is obvious but because of tribal instincts instead of a Black and White answer it becomes Grey. This is what frustrates and leads to accusations of "Whataboutery"
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Post by iancransonsknees on Aug 1, 2024 6:03:27 GMT
They really don't help themselves.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Aug 1, 2024 7:50:37 GMT
Any comments from the outraged Manchester mob on here🤔
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Post by plug on Aug 1, 2024 8:09:56 GMT
Any comments from the outraged Manchester mob on here🤔 That second clip is as bad as the Manchester Airport clip. Let's see if that is investigated.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 1, 2024 8:10:56 GMT
Any comments from the outraged Manchester mob on here🤔 The first video, is quite a common example of police tactics when faced with a mob. They literally pick random people out of the group, in the hope that by doing so, it will send out a message to the others that you could be next if you don't stop fucking around. Without seeing what happened leading up to the arrests, it's very difficult to offer an opinion on whether they were justified. I highly doubt that police tactics have altered because a Labour government is now running the country. To me, video 2 seems utterly outrageous. And like the Manchester video, I don't believe that whatever took place prior to the lad's arrest can justify that individual copper's actions. The lad is restrained, he's going absolutely nowhere, yet the copper decides to repeatedly punch him in the head. That's plain wrong in my book. Why, what were your thoughts?
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Post by prestwichpotter on Aug 1, 2024 8:41:16 GMT
Any comments from the outraged Manchester mob on here🤔 Not sure what I'm meant to be commenting on? I know you're getting all excitable throwing out tweet after tweet every 9 seconds, but calm down, take a deep breath and explain what you mean fella?
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Post by emretezzy on Aug 1, 2024 9:03:50 GMT
Any comments from the outraged Manchester mob on here🤔 The first video, is quite a common example of police tactics when faced with a mob. They literally pick random people out of the group, in the hope that by doing so, it will send out a message to the others that you could be next if you don't stop fucking around. Without seeing what happened leading up to the arrests, it's very difficult to offer an opinion on whether they were justified. I highly doubt that police tactics have altered because a Labour government is now running the country. To me, video 2 seems utterly outrageous. And like the Manchester video, I don't believe that whatever took place prior to the lad's arrest can justify that individual copper's actions. The lad is restrained, he's going absolutely nowhere, yet the copper decides to repeatedly punch him in the head. That's plain wrong in my book. Why, what were your thoughts? The world's greatest Arm Chair policemen is out on force again today. Keep up the good fight Paul. You know the square root of fuck all about policing.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 1, 2024 9:13:04 GMT
The first video, is quite a common example of police tactics when faced with a mob. They literally pick random people out of the group, in the hope that by doing so, it will send out a message to the others that you could be next if you don't stop fucking around. Without seeing what happened leading up to the arrests, it's very difficult to offer an opinion on whether they were justified. I highly doubt that police tactics have altered because a Labour government is now running the country. To me, video 2 seems utterly outrageous. And like the Manchester video, I don't believe that whatever took place prior to the lad's arrest can justify that individual copper's actions. The lad is restrained, he's going absolutely nowhere, yet the copper decides to repeatedly punch him in the head. That's plain wrong in my book. Why, what were your thoughts? The world's greatest Arm Chair policemen is out on force again today. Keep up the good fight Paul. You know the square root of fuck all about policing. Another razor sharp, constructive post from yourself again. Well done. READ crouchpotato's post. He has invited people on here to offer their opinions on the policing shown in the videos he has posted. Which I have done. You, on the other hand have just spewed another load of personal bile, that offers absolutely zip to the discussion.
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Post by emretezzy on Aug 1, 2024 9:21:18 GMT
The world's greatest Arm Chair policemen is out on force again today. Keep up the good fight Paul. You know the square root of fuck all about policing. Another razor sharp, constructive post from yourself again. Well done. READ crouchpotato's post. He has invited people on here to offer their opinions on the policing shown in the videos he has posted. Which I have done. You, on the other hand have just spewed another load of personal bile, that offers absolutely zip to the discussion. It wasn't abuse Princess. Apologies if you were offended. I was merely commenting you consider yourself a professor on Police Tactics and Cat1 responses. From an Arm Chair.
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Post by Eggybread on Aug 1, 2024 9:22:21 GMT
Almost 50 years on and (tragically) we're here again ... I havent seen the clip yet but I will.A few things I do know about the rock against racism concerts is that they were directly set up as a protest against Eric nazi twat face Clpaton, racist rants. Of which included Support for Enoch Powell Said people should vote to stop Britain becoming a black colony At concerts he told crowds to vote to get wo*s and co*ns out of the country Chanted the NF slogan ,keep Britain white at concerts An absolute despicable man who made his money and fame by yes you guessed it playing "black" music.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Aug 1, 2024 9:25:09 GMT
Any comments from the outraged Manchester mob on here🤔 The first video, is quite a common example of police tactics when faced with a mob. They literally pick random people out of the group, in the hope that by doing so, it will send out a message to the others that you could be next if you don't stop fucking around. Without seeing what happened leading up to the arrests, it's very difficult to offer an opinion on whether they were justified. I highly doubt that police tactics have altered because a Labour government is now running the country. To me, video 2 seems utterly outrageous. And like the Manchester video, I don't believe that whatever took place prior to the lad's arrest can justify that individual copper's actions. The lad is restrained, he's going absolutely nowhere, yet the copper decides to repeatedly punch him in the head. That's plain wrong in my book. Why, what were your thoughts? Picking out random folk surely can’t be right Paul🤔they kettled them and then just arrested anyone allegedly who was left
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 1, 2024 9:25:35 GMT
Another razor sharp, constructive post from yourself again. Well done. READ crouchpotato's post. He has invited people on here to offer their opinions on the policing shown in the videos he has posted. Which I have done. You, on the other hand have just spewed another load of personal bile, that offers absolutely zip to the discussion. It wasn't abuse Princess. Apologies if you were offended. I was merely commenting you consider yourself a professor on Police Tactics and Cat1 responses. From an Arm Chair. Still absolutely zip from you on the actual topic. If you get off on this sort of guff, you can PM me instead, rather than spamming the thread for everybody else.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Aug 1, 2024 9:26:12 GMT
Any comments from the outraged Manchester mob on here🤔 Not sure what I'm meant to be commenting on? I know you're getting all excitable throwing out tweet after tweet every 9 seconds, but calm down, take a deep breath and explain what you mean fella? You can’t see what’s wrong🙄The 2nd video?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 1, 2024 9:27:29 GMT
The first video, is quite a common example of police tactics when faced with a mob. They literally pick random people out of the group, in the hope that by doing so, it will send out a message to the others that you could be next if you don't stop fucking around. Without seeing what happened leading up to the arrests, it's very difficult to offer an opinion on whether they were justified. I highly doubt that police tactics have altered because a Labour government is now running the country. To me, video 2 seems utterly outrageous. And like the Manchester video, I don't believe that whatever took place prior to the lad's arrest can justify that individual copper's actions. The lad is restrained, he's going absolutely nowhere, yet the copper decides to repeatedly punch him in the head. That's plain wrong in my book. Why, what were your thoughts? Picking out random folk surely can’t be right Paul🤔they kettled them and then just arrested anyone allegedly who was left As I said mate, it doesn't look good but without seeing what came before it, it's difficult to have an opinion. The second one looks bad for sure though.
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Post by emretezzy on Aug 1, 2024 9:29:25 GMT
It wasn't abuse Princess. Apologies if you were offended. I was merely commenting you consider yourself a professor on Police Tactics and Cat1 responses. From an Arm Chair. Still absolutely zip from you on the actual topic. If you get off on this sort of guff, you can PM me instead, rather than spamming the thread for everybody else. I'm absolutely linear on my thoughts on policing. It doesn't vary on the nationality of the accused. I give the police force full autonomy to keep us safe and use necessary force. Wether its a right wing racist thug or an Asian smashing a ladies nose in three places. I want a stern police-force that isn't shit scared of getting into trouble for keeping people safe.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 1, 2024 9:32:15 GMT
Almost 50 years on and (tragically) we're here again ... I havent seen the clip yet but I will.A few things I do know about the rock against racism concerts is that they were directly set up as a protest against Eric nazi twat face Clpaton, racist rants. Of which included Support for Enoch Powell Said people should vote to stop Britain becoming a black colony At concerts he told crowds to vote to get wo*s and co*ns out of the country Chanted the NF slogan ,keep Britain white at concerts An absolute despicable man who made his money and fame by yes you guessed it playing "black" music. The video hardly mentions the concerts to be honest. It's main focus is about how easily agitators can whip people into a frenzy over immigrants. It's uncanny how although being almost 50 years old, it is so similar to what we're seeing today.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 1, 2024 9:39:12 GMT
Still absolutely zip from you on the actual topic. If you get off on this sort of guff, you can PM me instead, rather than spamming the thread for everybody else. I'm absolutely linear on my thoughts on policing. It doesn't vary on the nationality of the accused. Nobody suggested that you did, well at least not that I'm aware of. And nobody should do either. But the police can't be given carte blanche to do whatever they like. There will always need to be protocols and checks and balances to make sure that the rogue ones don't overstep the mark. The vast majority of police officers, operate within the confines of the law but to pretend that every single one does, would be at best, nieve.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Aug 1, 2024 9:46:28 GMT
Happening now apparently
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Post by cobhamstokey on Aug 1, 2024 9:47:33 GMT
I’m not going to comment specifically on the force used as I don’t want to go down some long rabbit hole but what I would say is that you can’t compare the 2 incidents as the impact factors are very different.
Because of that the tactics will be
- One was in a very enclosed environment the other out in the open. - One had a huge numbers of members of the public involved in the disorder the other 2. - One had a large number of officers trained in dealing with public order the others had some officers who most likely aren’t. - One had the potential to become a riot the other didn’t. Though the violence from the pair was far higher the situation was easier to manage due to there only being 2 involved. - With a large group of people I’d imagine you have to send out a strong message to others involved for them to think twice re their conduct. Sometimes talking doesn’t work.
There’s been numerous incidents recently where police have been caught out by sending beat bobbies to deal with disorder where there’s been mass injuries to officers and damage. Sometimes you have to meet fire with fire. That’s not me condoning excessive force that’s up to the officers involved to do.
As always the argument will be about consistency but often incidents aren’t comparible.
You always have to look at the factors being considered.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Aug 1, 2024 10:19:21 GMT
I take it this copper will be suspended 🤔
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Post by Eggybread on Aug 1, 2024 10:22:54 GMT
Not exactly the poll tax riots or the stop the Iraq war is it? A few people shouting isnt going to do shit.
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Post by Eggybread on Aug 1, 2024 10:26:13 GMT
Any comments from the outraged Manchester mob on here🤔 Blaming Labour just says it all, utterly pathetic.I think Ill disappear for a few weeks until some sanity has come back to the country. On another note if youre going to fight the police ,then fight them just dont give up and get arrested without a struggle.I think the "English" need some help off our Eurpean cousins on how to riot/fight.So weak and always compliant.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Aug 1, 2024 10:37:35 GMT
When you say the quiet bit out loud.....
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Post by prestwichpotter on Aug 1, 2024 10:42:14 GMT
Not sure what I'm meant to be commenting on? I know you're getting all excitable throwing out tweet after tweet every 9 seconds, but calm down, take a deep breath and explain what you mean fella? You can’t see what’s wrong🙄The 2nd video? I've called the police out a number of times on here over the years, I usually get told "it's all about the context" And I'm a football fan who has followed Stoke and England so I know ecaxctly some of the practices that the police partake in. So what am I meant to be saying here, like it's some kind of gotcha?
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Aug 1, 2024 10:49:59 GMT
You can’t see what’s wrong🙄The 2nd video? I've called the police out a number of times on here over the years, I usually get told "it's all about the context" And I'm a football fan who has followed Stoke and England so I know ecaxctly some of the practices that the police partake in. So what am I meant to be saying here, like it's some kind of gotcha? Its got nothing to do with a gotcha at all and I too havd witnessed all so parts of situations following Stoke away.Its about 2 tier policing that most normal folk can see is going on
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Post by prestwichpotter on Aug 1, 2024 10:54:39 GMT
I've called the police out a number of times on here over the years, I usually get told "it's all about the context" And I'm a football fan who has followed Stoke and England so I know ecaxctly some of the practices that the police partake in. So what am I meant to be saying here, like it's some kind of gotcha? Its got nothing to do with a gotcha at all and I too havd witnessed all so parts of situations following Stoke away.Its about 2 tier policing that most normal folk can see is going on Is the accusation of two tier policing not often an excuse for a load of people getting together and acting like bellends and having to be dealt with accordingly though?
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Aug 1, 2024 10:56:16 GMT
Its got nothing to do with a gotcha at all and I too havd witnessed all so parts of situations following Stoke away.Its about 2 tier policing that most normal folk can see is going on Is the accusation of two tier policing not often an excuse for a load of people getting together and acting like bellends and having to be dealt with accordingly though? No it’s the different reaction to different protests
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Post by prestwichpotter on Aug 1, 2024 11:01:52 GMT
Is the accusation of two tier policing not often an excuse for a load of people getting together and acting like bellends and having to be dealt with accordingly though? No it’s the different reaction to different protests Sometime maybe. But the Southport trouble a couple of nights ago was just destruction of property and a chance to have a ruck with the police. All this talk of "patriots" just showing concern for the poor kids who were killed is just utter bollocks. And it was exactly the same in Hartlepool last night, an angry mob of mainly youths and middle aged men throwing bricks and damaging property along the way. You might not like to hear it or believe me - and there has of course been pockets of violence and anti-social behaviour - but I've been on Palestinian marches/protests that have been almost exclusively peaceful and good natured with 10 or 20 times the people requiring far less policing.............
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 1, 2024 11:06:40 GMT
When you say the quiet bit out loud..... Oops! 😎
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