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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 28, 2024 1:14:30 GMT
I literally responded to the last point you made.
The overstepping of his powers, is the copper kicking and stamping on the lad's head.
What consequences do I think they should receive? I don't know what the going rate is for attacking the police, do you? Whatever the court decides.
What I do know, is that the going rate for attacking the police, is not having your head stamped on.
Genuinely why are you happy with people attacking police? As you say you don't what the going rate is? You obviously don't seem to care? Shoes on the other foot, and bam, a kick in the head is as bad a Bullet. Strange strange outlook on life.
1. Quote a single post of mine where I've said I'm happy with people attacking the police. Actually, I'll save you the time, it doesn't exist, you're just making stuff up now.
2. What on earth are you wittering on about? How am I supposed to know how much time they're going to get and how does me not knowing, mean that I don't care?
3. Yes, people die from blunt forced trauma to the head, you might not believe it but it is actually true.
4. God knows what you're on about (again).
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 28, 2024 1:15:20 GMT
I literally responded to the last point you made. The overstepping of his powers, is the copper kicking and stamping on the lad's head. What consequences do I think they should receive? I don't know what the going rate is for attacking the police, do you? Whatever the court decides.
What I do know, is that the going rate for attacking the police, is not having your head stamped on.
Prior to the incident with the officer stamping. Do you think the brother could have killed the female officer with his cheap shot ?
Potentially I guess, why?
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Jul 28, 2024 1:23:54 GMT
Prior to the incident with the officer stamping. Do you think the brother could have killed the female officer with his cheap shot ? Potentially I guess, why?
Well all this happened prior to the officer getting involved that did the stamp. You seem very blasé around the actions of the 2 males and fixing / blaming everything on the officer. Of course he needs to face the consequences but - The incident all started with some very violent behaviour by the 2 males who had a choice to go easily. You seem to be giving them a very easy ride in comparison to the officer. - You talk about the officer potentially putting the male in a coma could the same be said about him punching the female in the face or rabbit punching the male officer. The incident was very avoidable and saying that people often resist arrest doesn’t make it right. Anyway I’m off to bed now |
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Post by roylandstoke on Jul 28, 2024 1:25:03 GMT
I literally responded to the last point you made. The overstepping of his powers, is the copper kicking and stamping on the lad's head. What consequences do I think they should receive? I don't know what the going rate is for attacking the police, do you? Whatever the court decides.
What I do know, is that the going rate for attacking the police, is not having your head stamped on.
Genuinely why are you happy with people attacking police? As you say you don't what the going rate is? You obviously don't seem to care? Shoes on the other foot, and bam, a kick in the head is as bad a Bullet. Strange strange outlook on life. I must have missed this; could you point out the post when anyone on this thread declared they were happy with people attacking the police, ( or anyone else) |
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Post by roylandstoke on Jul 28, 2024 1:27:36 GMT
Potentially I guess, why?
Well all this happened prior to the officer getting involved that did the stamp. You seem very blasé around the actions of the 2 males and fixing / blaming everything on the officer. Of course he needs to face the consequences but - The incident all started with some very violent behaviour by the 2 males who had a choice to go easily. You seem to be giving them a very easy ride in comparison to the officer. - You talk about the officer potentially putting the male in a coma could the same be said about him punching the female in the face or rabbit punching the male officer. The incident was very avoidable and saying that people often resist arrest doesn’t make it right. Anyway I’m off to bed now The thing you’re missing is the police are supposed to be better than thugs and criminals. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 28, 2024 1:33:51 GMT
Potentially I guess, why?
Well all this happened prior to the officer getting involved that did the stamp. You seem very blasé around the actions of the 2 males and fixing / blaming everything on the officer. Of course he needs to face the consequences but - The incident all started with some very violent behaviour by the 2 males who had a choice to go easily. You seem to be giving them a very easy ride in comparison to the officer. - You talk about the officer potentially putting the male in a coma could the same be said about him punching the female in the face or rabbit punching the male officer. The incident was very avoidable and saying that people often resist arrest doesn’t make it right. Anyway I’m off to bed now
At the risk of repeating myself Cobs, if people didn't commit crimes, then we wouldn't need the police at all, would we?
But they do, so we do.
That doesn't then mean that the police can meet out any 'punishment' they like. There are strict protocols in place to ensure that exactly this sort of thing doesn't happen, protocols that on this occasion, went out of the window.
The story is only a story because that is what happened.
What do you mean I seem very blasé about the actions of the brothers? I've said that they should do as much time as the court decides, what do you want me to say, that they should be hanged?
The actions of the out of control copper are in no way vindicated by anything that happened prior to it.
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Post by henry on Jul 28, 2024 7:08:47 GMT
Police are human like the rest of us, someone attacks you, attacks women by punching them in the face and its human nature that a man will want retribution, adrenaline is flowing, they’ve already been subdued and got back up again, easy for Monday morning quarterbacks to criticise but let’s see those people deal with scum like this day in day out! Those on here who are attacking the police wouldn’t bat an eye lid if this was someone like Tommy Robinson and a couple of his mates who had resisted arrest and punched females in the face!! They’d be saying he deserved it! 👍 |
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Post by ian57 on Jul 28, 2024 7:23:04 GMT
If the mother had allowed the body search and the brother who is a serving police officer had told her that the search was perfectly lawful the the entire incident would not have happened.
It is also now alleged that the family kicked of in a Starbucks prior to this incident.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jul 28, 2024 7:33:13 GMT
I see that vile bastard of a solicitor is now saying the mother was punched in the face and got a black eye🤷♂️Also he’s tried to appeal for calm😂🤡
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Jul 28, 2024 7:35:22 GMT
Well all this happened prior to the officer getting involved that did the stamp. You seem very blasé around the actions of the 2 males and fixing / blaming everything on the officer. Of course he needs to face the consequences but - The incident all started with some very violent behaviour by the 2 males who had a choice to go easily. You seem to be giving them a very easy ride in comparison to the officer. - You talk about the officer potentially putting the male in a coma could the same be said about him punching the female in the face or rabbit punching the male officer. The incident was very avoidable and saying that people often resist arrest doesn’t make it right. Anyway I’m off to bed now The thing you’re missing is the police are supposed to be better than thugs and criminals. Not at all of course they should. What I’m missing is Paul’s inhability to accept that the brothers behaviour was dreadful and caused the issue to spiral in the first place. At no point have I condoned the officers behaviour if you look back, and I liked your post saying that for this reason. What I do find strange is looking at the whole incident is Paul’s ability to ignore all that happened prior to the stamp even after the second video was released and putting all the blame on the officer when put on the officer even though his involvement wasn’t till right at the end and that there were 2 wrongs and not just 1. |
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Post by mrnovember on Jul 28, 2024 7:43:03 GMT
Potentially I guess, why?
Well all this happened prior to the officer getting involved that did the stamp. You seem very blasé around the actions of the 2 males and fixing / blaming everything on the officer. Of course he needs to face the consequences but - The incident all started with some very violent behaviour by the 2 males who had a choice to go easily. You seem to be giving them a very easy ride in comparison to the officer. - You talk about the officer potentially putting the male in a coma could the same be said about him punching the female in the face or rabbit punching the male officer. The incident was very avoidable and saying that people often resist arrest doesn’t make it right. Anyway I’m off to bed now He doesn't need to face any punitive consequences. That video is a big fat pile of mitigation. He needs a training course on incident response. The family, the protesters and the cuckold left need to apologise for shamelessly making this a race issue. |
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Post by henry on Jul 28, 2024 7:54:32 GMT
The thing you’re missing is the police are supposed to be better than thugs and criminals. Not at all of course they should. What I’m missing is Paul’s inhability to accept that the brothers behaviour was dreadful and caused the issue to spiral in the first place. At no point have I condoned the officers behaviour if you look back, and I liked your post saying that for this reason. What I do find strange is looking at the whole incident is Paul’s ability to ignore all that happened prior to the stamp even after the second video was released and putting all the blame on the officer when put on the officer even though his involvement wasn’t till right at the end and that there were 2 wrongs and not just 1. It's called doubling down when you have been made a mug of by the media and the narrative that the police are institutionally racist. |
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Post by Gods on Jul 28, 2024 8:38:07 GMT
Trying to move the discussion on.
Andy Burnham spoke on BBC Breakfast just now of 3 parallel investigations.
One in to the fight with police we have all seen a hundred times over.
A second in to an incident in Starbucks which preceded it.
And thirdly, before that, an incident either on the Quatar flight from Pakistan or in T2 as passengers disembarked from the flight where the suggestion is the mother was racially abused.
It's the third one I'm interested in. Because presumably without it none of the rest happens.
But we have heard nothing of the person/people who clashed with the mother. Age, colour, sex, race just nothing. Was it the same person/people the lads caught up with in Starbucks? If not its hard to link the 3 incidents? Is the plane man/people among the 4 people on the tally of 4 arrests.
Trying to understand the bigger picture.
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Post by wannabee on Jul 28, 2024 8:45:35 GMT
I literally responded to the last point you made.
The overstepping of his powers, is the copper kicking and stamping on the lad's head.
What consequences do I think they should receive? I don't know what the going rate is for attacking the police, do you? Whatever the court decides.
What I do know, is that the going rate for attacking the police, is not having your head stamped on.
Genuinely why are you happy with people attacking police? As you say you don't what the going rate is? You obviously don't seem to care? Shoes on the other foot, and bam, a kick in the head is as bad a Bullet. Strange strange outlook on life. Nobody is happy with people attaching the Police A few seem to think it's OK for Police to kick people in the head All 3 will have their day in Court at least a year from now given the chaotic state of the Criminal Justice System In the meantime the Brothers will be out on Bail maybe with conditions. Their scumbag Lawyer will file a case against the Police with the intent to keep himself relevant, obtain some money and if successful try to mitigate the Brothers sentence. The Firearms Officer will remain suspended on full pay until the IOPC and a disciplinary hearing says otherwise. I've seen this play before, I won't tell you the end because it might spoil your enjoyment but in the meantime chill and listen to some tunes. |
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Post by DansViews on Jul 28, 2024 8:48:09 GMT
Should arm our police and rid the country of these rats.
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Post by wannabee on Jul 28, 2024 8:53:25 GMT
Trying to move the discussion on. Andy Burnham spoke on BBC Breakfast just now of 3 parallel investigations. One in to fight with police we have all seen a hundred times over. A second in to an incident in Starbucks which preceded it. And thirdly, before that, an incident either on the Quatar flight from Pakistan or in T2 as passengers disembarked from the flight where the suggestion is the mother was racially abused. It's the third one I'm interested in. Because presumably without it none of the rest happens. But we have heard nothing of the person/people who clashed with the mother. Age, colour, sex, race just nothing. Was it the same person/people the lads caught up with in Starbucks? If not its hard to link the 3 incidents? Is the plane man/people among the 4 people on the tally of 4 arrests. Trying to understand the bigger picture. I've been asking this several times Gods and because of that many comments including mine are speculative. Its like a 3 Act Play we've seen in reverse. We saw the end first, then the middle but we haven't seen the opening scenes I'm quite sure the IOPC have all the information and CCTV so it's best to see what they come up with. |
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Post by stokecitydom on Jul 28, 2024 8:56:03 GMT
The people attacking the police should be arrested and punished heavily. From that footage they should be in big trouble. You cannot attack the police & behave like that. They need to be made an example of.
Then the police officer who kicks the guy on the floor in the head should also be arrested. At the point when he did it, the situation seemed to be under some sort of control. Regardless of what occurred previously, it’s just wrong to boot someone laying down on the floor in the head.
I’m not looking at it as a race issue, just purely what is right & wrong.
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Jul 28, 2024 9:16:00 GMT
The people attacking the police should be arrested and punished heavily. From that footage they should be in big trouble. You cannot attack the police & behave like that. They need to be made an example of. Then the police officer who kicks the guy on the floor in the head should also be arrested. At the point when he did it, the situation seemed to be under some sort of control. Regardless of what occurred previously, it’s just wrong to boot someone laying down on the floor in the head. I’m not looking at it as a race issue, just purely what is right & wrong. Good assessment though I doubt the officer will be arrested more likely interviewed under caution due to him not meeting the necessity to arrest under code G. |
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Post by chuffedstokie on Jul 28, 2024 9:25:15 GMT
Should arm our police and rid the country of these rats. I was in the job, wouldn't want a firearm thanks, just made do with the truncheon. Didn't stop me getting stabbed though. Some civilians ought to try police work then come back and discuss their experiences. |
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Post by Gods on Jul 28, 2024 9:27:46 GMT
Trying to move the discussion on. Andy Burnham spoke on BBC Breakfast just now of 3 parallel investigations. One in to fight with police we have all seen a hundred times over. A second in to an incident in Starbucks which preceded it. And thirdly, before that, an incident either on the Quatar flight from Pakistan or in T2 as passengers disembarked from the flight where the suggestion is the mother was racially abused. It's the third one I'm interested in. Because presumably without it none of the rest happens. But we have heard nothing of the person/people who clashed with the mother. Age, colour, sex, race just nothing. Was it the same person/people the lads caught up with in Starbucks? If not its hard to link the 3 incidents? Is the plane man/people among the 4 people on the tally of 4 arrests. Trying to understand the bigger picture. I've been asking this several times Gods and because of that many comments including mine are speculative. Its like a 3 Act Play we've seen in reverse. We saw the end first, then the middle but we haven't seen the opening scenes I'm quite sure the IOPC have all the information and CCTV so it's best to see what they come up with. It's precisely that, a play of 3 acts, shown in reverse! |
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Post by Gods on Jul 28, 2024 9:43:32 GMT
Should arm our police and rid the country of these rats. I think the police in attendance were firearms officers. |
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Post by emretezzy on Jul 28, 2024 9:52:31 GMT
Should arm our police and rid the country of these rats. I was in the job, wouldn't want a firearm thanks, just made do with the truncheon. Didn't stop me getting stabbed though. Some civilians ought to try police work then come back and discuss their experiences. Arm chair policing is the easiest job in the world mate. |
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Post by emretezzy on Jul 28, 2024 9:53:39 GMT
Should arm our police and rid the country of these rats. I think the police in attendance were firearms officers. Because they are anti-terror in a Airport God's. That's another point, this happened in an airport with the strictest security rules in the world. Not in a Wacky Warehouse over the help yourself ice cream. |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Jul 28, 2024 9:56:35 GMT
Should arm our police and rid the country of these rats. I was in the job, wouldn't want a firearm thanks, just made do with the truncheon. Didn't stop me getting stabbed though. Some civilians ought to try police work then come back and discuss their experiences. To be fair my truncheon got me into more mither than not but each to their own 😆 Someone had to play the Finbar Saunders role 😉 |
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Post by Etain Tur-Mukan on Jul 28, 2024 10:06:09 GMT
You're grasping at straws now mate. If that's a gun, I'll genuinely piss myself and hold my hands up while I'm at it. It's not a gun, is it? Get in the real world. It was two dickheads who were actually kind of handy. Not grasping at straws at all. If you watch the footage closely something definitely falls to the ground from the police officers body and ends up as I’ve pointed out. I’m just speculating like everyone else is and sorry it doesn’t fit your agenda if it is as I have speculated. I think it's the radio as it seems to be on a wire (looking at the video). The two wankers need to be jailed, any of those punches could have been life threatening if it connected in just the wrong way and unfortunately, the copper who clearly got the red mist needs to be dealt with too. He could have killed the wanker. It's a shame he didn't get a chance to do what he did during the fight though. At least if it is the worst case scenario for him and he was to be jailed, it will be much, much less than the 9 months that scum who attacked the traffic warden got. |
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Post by knype on Jul 28, 2024 10:06:37 GMT
Genuinely why are you happy with people attacking police? As you say you don't what the going rate is? You obviously don't seem to care? Shoes on the other foot, and bam, a kick in the head is as bad a Bullet. Strange strange outlook on life. 1. Quote a single post of mine where I've said I'm happy with people attacking the police. Actually, I'll save you the time, it doesn't exist, you're just making stuff up now. 2. What on earth are you wittering on about? How am I supposed to know how much time they're going to get and how does me not knowing, mean that I don't care? 3. Yes, people die from blunt forced trauma to the head, you might not believe it but it is actually true. 4. God knows what you're on about (again).
Paul have you ever been attacked physically and been scared for your own life or wellbeing ? |
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Post by DansViews on Jul 28, 2024 10:10:42 GMT
Should arm our police and rid the country of these rats. I was in the job, wouldn't want a firearm thanks, just made do with the truncheon. Didn't stop me getting stabbed though. Some civilians ought to try police work then come back and discuss their experiences. My sister and brother in law are both in the force now. I’d prefer them, especially my sister to be armed for her own safety. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2024 10:20:15 GMT
Not grasping at straws at all. If you watch the footage closely something definitely falls to the ground from the police officers body and ends up as I’ve pointed out. I’m just speculating like everyone else is and sorry it doesn’t fit your agenda if it is as I have speculated. I think it's the radio as it seems to be on a wire (looking at the video). The two wankers need to be jailed, any of those punches could have been life threatening if it connected in just the wrong way and unfortunately, the copper who clearly got the red mist needs to be dealt with too. He could have killed the wanker. It's a shame he didn't get a chance to do what he did during the fight though. At least if it is the worst case scenario for him and he was to be jailed, it will be much, much less than the 9 months that scum who attacked the traffic warden got. I don’t think the copper should get prison time to be honest. Is he a danger to society? I don’t think so. He responded poorly to the end of a situation. He should lose his job. |
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Post by Gods on Jul 28, 2024 10:22:47 GMT
Should arm our police and rid the country of these rats. I was in the job, wouldn't want a firearm thanks, just made do with the truncheon. Didn't stop me getting stabbed though. Some civilians ought to try police work then come back and discuss their experiences. So true. I wouldn't do it in million years so my initial gut instinct is always to back the police. I know they get stuff wrong, who doesn't, but that's my first instinct. |
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Post by Etain Tur-Mukan on Jul 28, 2024 10:27:50 GMT
I think it's the radio as it seems to be on a wire (looking at the video). The two wankers need to be jailed, any of those punches could have been life threatening if it connected in just the wrong way and unfortunately, the copper who clearly got the red mist needs to be dealt with too. He could have killed the wanker. It's a shame he didn't get a chance to do what he did during the fight though. At least if it is the worst case scenario for him and he was to be jailed, it will be much, much less than the 9 months that scum who attacked the traffic warden got. I don’t think the copper should get prison time to be honest. Is he a danger to society? I don’t think so. He responded poorly to the end of a situation. He should lose his job. Agreed. |
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