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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 20, 2022 11:33:41 GMT
I would if I hadn't spent half the morning depending a perfectly reasoned opinion to someone. And then you have crouchpotter, Stokes number one fan pontificating that his farts smell of roses and that actual football discussion on a football messageboard is pathetic. Does my tits in. "Does my tits in"I feel strangely aroused.......... As you should!
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Post by Kenilworth_Stokies on Jan 20, 2022 11:36:20 GMT
Can we just merge all threads on this message board under a "People arguing with Bayern" megathread and have done with it? It's beyond boring.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 20, 2022 11:41:40 GMT
Can we just merge all threads on this message board under a "People arguing with Bayern" megathread and have done with it? It's beyond boring. It is boring I agree. That's why it pisses me off. I make a reasoned point and it happens. Not because of the point, not because of what I've put. Nothing I have put in this thread isn't reasoned, over the top or anything but football discussion. I'm not the issue.
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Post by stokie223 on Jan 20, 2022 11:47:58 GMT
There could literally be any one of a multitude of reasons why. Perhaps it's close but we're unaware, he could feel he's not being valued by our offer, wants a longer contract, agent playing hardball. Literally anything. I don't think it's as black-and-white as "I'm happy so I'll sign". Football doesn't work like that anymore. I know I was being silly. It’s being in two conversations at once one of which is with Bayern😉 I’ve said above that hopefully getting Batth’s wage off the books means we can increase our offer to Powell who is clearly our best player. I certainly hope we can! I Like Powell; when we first signed him I thought he flattered to deceive somewhat (plenty of ability, not consistent enough) but I think he was getting better & better. Easily our best player, although Ty had a case when he was fit & firing. Someone we'd struggle to replace without spending a fortune.
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Post by datguy on Jan 20, 2022 11:51:02 GMT
Hang on.
Why would he most likely be playing out wide in a 343 or as a number 10?
Wright-Phillips has been playing up top. They both seem like the same sort of player albeit the Villa further along in his progression.
Surely if he was to play, it’d be like Wright-Phillips vs Leyton Orient & Hull?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 20, 2022 11:52:35 GMT
Hang on. Why would he most likely be playing out wide in a 343 or as a number 10? Wright-Phillips has been playing up top. They both seem like the same sort of player albeit the Villa further along in his progression. Surely if he was to play, it’d be like Wright-Phillips vs Leyton Orient & Hull? Wright-Phillips played at 10 didn't he? Switching periodically with Ince? That was how it was against Hull anyway. He'd likely play at 10 because that's what's being reported or wide in a 3-4-3 because he's played wide for almost all of his career to date.
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Post by march4 on Jan 20, 2022 11:54:54 GMT
Kangaroo Court is due to sit at 7pm tonight. Sorry, mate. It’s already sitting. Don’t know who sent you the duff info.
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Post by theonlooker on Jan 20, 2022 11:56:16 GMT
Kangaroo Court is due to sit at 7pm tonight. Sorry, mate. It’s already sitting. Don’t know who sent you the duff info. Welcome aboard, judge Marchy! We'll soon root out these negative Nigel's...
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Post by datguy on Jan 20, 2022 11:57:03 GMT
Hang on. Why would he most likely be playing out wide in a 343 or as a number 10? Wright-Phillips has been playing up top. They both seem like the same sort of player albeit the Villa further along in his progression. Surely if he was to play, it’d be like Wright-Phillips vs Leyton Orient & Hull? Wright-Phillips played at 10 didn't he? Switching periodically with Ince? That was how it was against Hull anyway. He'd likely play at 10 because that's what's being reported or wide in a 3-4-3 because he's played wide for almost all of his career to date. Wright-Phillips looked as much as striker as Brown did to me mate. Was always advanced up the pitch. The two through balls in either half vs Hull he was the most central and advanced forward there. I had him down as the second striker personally mate.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 20, 2022 12:00:51 GMT
Wright-Phillips played at 10 didn't he? Switching periodically with Ince? That was how it was against Hull anyway. He'd likely play at 10 because that's what's being reported or wide in a 3-4-3 because he's played wide for almost all of his career to date. Wright-Phillips looked as much as striker as Brown did to me mate. Was always advanced up the pitch. The two through balls in either half vs Hull he was the most central and advanced forward there. I had him down as the second striker personally mate. He was CAM for me mate, was constantly that bit deeper while being ahead of the midfielders. He'd often pick the ball up near the centre circle, that's where his first tricky run where he got fouled came from.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 20, 2022 12:02:21 GMT
Wright-Phillips played at 10 didn't he? Switching periodically with Ince? That was how it was against Hull anyway. He'd likely play at 10 because that's what's being reported or wide in a 3-4-3 because he's played wide for almost all of his career to date. Wright-Phillips looked as much as striker as Brown did to me mate. Was always advanced up the pitch. The two through balls in either half vs Hull he was the most central and advanced forward there. I had him down as the second striker personally mate. Agreed. Same with Ince but in reverse. Ince dropped deep often enough for it to not be a number 10 role. DWP pushed up often enough for it not to be a number 10 role.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Jan 20, 2022 12:04:14 GMT
I know I was being silly. It’s being in two conversations at once one of which is with Bayern😉 I’ve said above that hopefully getting Batth’s wage off the books means we can increase our offer to Powell who is clearly our best player. I certainly hope we can! I Like Powell; when we first signed him I thought he flattered to deceive somewhat (plenty of ability, not consistent enough) but I think he was getting better & better. Easily our best player, although Ty had a case when he was fit & firing. Someone we'd struggle to replace without spending a fortune. Exactly mate although I think part of his problem initially was an issue with Jones despite having been signed by him. Since we got rid of him he’s gone from strength to strength apart from this unfortunate injury. I think we offer him as much as we can afford he’s one of the few players we’ve got could do a job for us if we got promoted.
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Post by stokie223 on Jan 20, 2022 12:07:08 GMT
I certainly hope we can! I Like Powell; when we first signed him I thought he flattered to deceive somewhat (plenty of ability, not consistent enough) but I think he was getting better & better. Easily our best player, although Ty had a case when he was fit & firing. Someone we'd struggle to replace without spending a fortune. Exactly mate although I think part of his problem initially was an issue with Jones despite having been signed by him. Since we got rid of him he’s gone from strength to strength apart from this unfortunate injury. I think we offer him as much as we can afford he’s one of the few players we’ve got could do a job for us if we got promoted. Possibly so, yeah. I always thought it was a weird one with Nath though, as he definitely had a bit of a hard on for Powell - just didn't seem to work on the pitch. Agreed he's only continued to get better, and I actually think he's got Premier League ability in there without question if he can keep up the level he was showing pre-injury.
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Post by nottsover60 on Jan 20, 2022 12:16:50 GMT
I said the other week that I longed to see a Stoke team where the attacking players interchanged and were mobile enough to pull defenders out. I think it was after Ince and Campbell played wide and suddenly swapped sides on about 15 minutes as if it was preplanned. I would love three strikers who can swap positions, drop deep create space, run into space, basically leave defenders wondering where they are going to pop up next. Our attacking play without Powell has been so predictable and easy to defend against. I can see Powell working in an attacking three with JPD, SWP, Campbell or even Brown,none of them being designated striker, no. 10 or wingers just working that space together.
If anyone's leaving I suspect it's Ince even though he's got a starting role at the moment. Can't imagine he wants to risk hanging around on the fringes again.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 20, 2022 12:29:40 GMT
I said the other week that I longed to see a Stoke team where the attacking players interchanged and were mobile enough to pull defenders out. I think it was after Ince and Campbell played wide and suddenly swapped sides on about 15 minutes as if it was preplanned. I would love three strikers who can swap positions, drop deep create space, run into space, basically leave defenders wondering where they are going to pop up next. Our attacking play without Powell has been so predictable and easy to defend against. I can see Powell working in an attacking three with JPD, SWP, Campbell or even Brown,none of them being designated striker, no. 10 or wingers just working that space together. If anyone's leaving I suspect it's Ince even though he's got a starting role at the moment. Can't imagine he wants to risk hanging around on the fringes again. Yeah that would be great. But we have the players already and to achieve it and squad harmony we must be looking at getting rid of a few players? We have 5 central midfielders and changing the formation to 343 or 4231 pisses 2 of them off instantly. As much as people don't want to seem to address that, it is a potential issue.
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Post by werrington on Jan 20, 2022 12:36:32 GMT
I said the other week that I longed to see a Stoke team where the attacking players interchanged and were mobile enough to pull defenders out. I think it was after Ince and Campbell played wide and suddenly swapped sides on about 15 minutes as if it was preplanned. I would love three strikers who can swap positions, drop deep create space, run into space, basically leave defenders wondering where they are going to pop up next. Our attacking play without Powell has been so predictable and easy to defend against. I can see Powell working in an attacking three with JPD, SWP, Campbell or even Brown,none of them being designated striker, no. 10 or wingers just working that space together. If anyone's leaving I suspect it's Ince even though he's got a starting role at the moment. Can't imagine he wants to risk hanging around on the fringes again. Yeah that would be great. But we have the players already and to achieve it and squad harmony we must be looking at getting rid of a few players? We have 5 central midfielders and changing the formation to 343 or 4231 pisses 2 of them off instantly. As much as people don't want to seem to address that, it is a potential issue. Without a doubt as the finances aren’t a bottomless pit also, never mind team formation Maybe it’s an Oakley Booth etc who are off
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 20, 2022 12:38:58 GMT
Yeah that would be great. But we have the players already and to achieve it and squad harmony we must be looking at getting rid of a few players? We have 5 central midfielders and changing the formation to 343 or 4231 pisses 2 of them off instantly. As much as people don't want to seem to address that, it is a potential issue. Without a doubt as the finances aren’t a bottomless pit also, never mind team formation Maybe it’s an Oakley Booth etc who are off I think Ince will be one. But signing a striker as well (if that rumour is true) as this lad points to Powell leaving maybe? We're basically closing his route of playing in? Unless we bench these lot. And I know it's a squad game. But something has to give with the situation we are in. It's all very curious.
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Jan 20, 2022 12:41:34 GMT
Allen and Baker moving forward for the rest of the season sitting behind a combo of any three from Campbell, Powell, Fletch, Ince, Brown, DWP and maybe even JPB? And I have no idea about Vrancic. Ince will leave at the end of the season anyway (or sooner) and so might Fletch, so we can use them as and when without overly upsetting them (same with Mario, as he may decide to move on himself). Getting Powell back out on the pitch asap is crucial.
You could conceivably switch to four at the back if Willmott plays there again, but that would mean Fox at left back and I think I'd rather even Tymon play there, even if it's not his best position. This would enable to either shore up the midfield or turn the heat on up front.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 20, 2022 12:48:51 GMT
Allen and Baker moving forward for the rest of the season sitting behind a combo of any three from Campbell, Powell, Fletch, Ince, Brown, DWP and maybe even JPB? And I have no idea about Vrancic. Ince will leave at the end of the season anyway (or sooner) and so might Fletch, so we can use them as and when without overly upsetting them (same with Mario, as he may decide to move on himself). Getting Powell back out on the pitch asap is crucial. You could conceivably switch to four at the back if Willmott plays there again, but that would mean Fox at left back and I think I'd rather even Tymon play there, even if it's not his best position. This would enable to either shore up the midfield or turn the heat on up front. There's a shit ton of permutations and that's part of the problem with this transfer isn't it? It's not the player, he seems excellent. But how it fits with everything else we've got and the massive squad we already have. It is a good issue but can become a bad issue very quickly. Having an idea of who's leaving would help though.
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Jan 20, 2022 12:54:02 GMT
Sima actually creates a problem too, as he's not part of anything currently, never really has been and it's difficult to see how that will change, but we've forked out for the loan and given him a squad number (I know his age helps) but how will it play out for him. A real pity we can't cut our losses.
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Post by nottsover60 on Jan 20, 2022 12:57:08 GMT
I said the other week that I longed to see a Stoke team where the attacking players interchanged and were mobile enough to pull defenders out. I think it was after Ince and Campbell played wide and suddenly swapped sides on about 15 minutes as if it was preplanned. I would love three strikers who can swap positions, drop deep create space, run into space, basically leave defenders wondering where they are going to pop up next. Our attacking play without Powell has been so predictable and easy to defend against. I can see Powell working in an attacking three with JPD, SWP, Campbell or even Brown,none of them being designated striker, no. 10 or wingers just working that space together. If anyone's leaving I suspect it's Ince even though he's got a starting role at the moment. Can't imagine he wants to risk hanging around on the fringes again. Yeah that would be great. But we have the players already and to achieve it and squad harmony we must be looking at getting rid of a few players? We have 5 central midfielders and changing the formation to 343 or 4231 pisses 2 of them off instantly. As much as people don't want to seem to address that, it is a potential issue. We might have the players with the skills but I'm not sure they have the footballing intelligence which is why I referenced Campbell's and Ince's orchestrated swapping of wings the other week. I want players who can change position at will and react with each other. As often said about Guardiola, he never tells his strikers where to play, just trusts them to get on with it. DWP gave me the impression he could do that last week which isn't surprising coming from City's academy. Powell can and often does do it. I think Ince probably can but I'm not sure about Campbell at the moment. Not advocating selling him, he's a natural goal scorer. As for central midfield players there isn't one I would worry about upsetting assuming Baker has been bought to play. Allen's on big wages, Vrancic on a 12 month contract (I'd keep him for another 12 if he's willing), Sawyers out for virtually the rest of his loan. Thompson has seen his stock rise at Stoke, Clucas will also be competing for a forward role.I have a sneaking feeling that Smith might be sold as Wilmot can play wide right defender if needed, Tymon can compete for a midfield role. My choice of 4 for the midfield would be Baker, Allen, Tymon and on last week's showing Ince. I think the shock transfer might be Doughty because I don't think MON thinks much of him and we might be able to recoup his transfer fee. Have I addressed your concerns?
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Post by nottsover60 on Jan 20, 2022 13:01:47 GMT
Allen and Baker moving forward for the rest of the season sitting behind a combo of any three from Campbell, Powell, Fletch, Ince, Brown, DWP and maybe even JPB? And I have no idea about Vrancic. Ince will leave at the end of the season anyway (or sooner) and so might Fletch, so we can use them as and when without overly upsetting them (same with Mario, as he may decide to move on himself). Getting Powell back out on the pitch asap is crucial. You could conceivably switch to four at the back if Willmott plays there again, but that would mean Fox at left back and I think I'd rather even Tymon play there, even if it's not his best position. This would enable to either shore up the midfield or turn the heat on up front. There's a shit ton of permutations and that's part of the problem with this transfer isn't it? It's not the player, he seems excellent. But how it fits with everything else we've got and the massive squad we already have. It is a good issue but can become a bad issue very quickly. Having an idea of who's leaving would help though. I would say the ton of permutations is an advantage not a problem. Opposition managers will find it very difficult to plan a defensive strategy if they don't know how we'll set up and we will have so many options for changing our formation from the bench. We've all complained about no plan B. I think Powell could be the very important lynch pin either in the middle or just behind two forwards so I don't think he'll leave. He's not ready to play yet anyway.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 20, 2022 13:04:17 GMT
Yeah that would be great. But we have the players already and to achieve it and squad harmony we must be looking at getting rid of a few players? We have 5 central midfielders and changing the formation to 343 or 4231 pisses 2 of them off instantly. As much as people don't want to seem to address that, it is a potential issue. We might have the players with the skills but I'm not sure they have the footballing intelligence which is why I referenced Campbell's and Ince's orchestrated swapping of wings the other week. I want players who can change position at will and react with each other. As often said about Guardiola, he never tells his strikers where to play, just trusts them to get on with it. DWP gave me the impression he could do that last week which isn't surprising coming from City's academy. Powell can and often does do it. I think Ince probably can but I'm not sure about Campbell at the moment. Not advocating selling him, he's a natural goal scorer. As for central midfield players there isn't one I would worry about upsetting assuming Baker has been bought to play. Allen's on big wages, Vrancic on a 12 month contract (I'd keep him for another 12 if he's willing), Sawyers out for virtually the rest of his loan. Thompson has seen his stock rise at Stoke, Clucas will also be competing for a forward role.I have a sneaking feeling that Smith might be sold as Wilmot can play wide right defender if needed, Tymon can compete for a midfield role. My choice of 4 for the midfield would be Baker, Allen, Tymon and on last week's showing Ince. I think the shock transfer might be Doughty because I don't think MON thinks much of him and we might be able to recoup his transfer fee. Have I addressed your concerns? Or that was the instruction? They stuck to their wing because that was the plan then were told to swap so swapped. If it's not in the plan to swap then why would they? MON would scold them. It looked like plan to me. I'd get rid of them all bar Baker but you still can't upset them and have them around kicking their heels. And I wasn't including Vrancic, that makes 6 if you include him for 2 positions. This is what I mean, it's a lot upheaval to accommodate a loan. Wilmot can't play as a full back/wing back. We'd need another right back if we sold Smith. If we play 343 it would be Smith Baker Allen Tymon.
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Post by bingbang on Jan 20, 2022 13:10:24 GMT
Has he actually signed yet ?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 20, 2022 13:10:30 GMT
There's a shit ton of permutations and that's part of the problem with this transfer isn't it? It's not the player, he seems excellent. But how it fits with everything else we've got and the massive squad we already have. It is a good issue but can become a bad issue very quickly. Having an idea of who's leaving would help though. I would say the ton of permutations is an advantage not a problem. Opposition managers will find it very difficult to plan a defensive strategy if they don't know how we'll set up and we will have so many options for changing our formation from the bench. We've all complained about no plan B. I think Powell could be the very important lynch pin either in the middle or just behind two forwards so I don't think he'll leave. He's not ready to play yet anyway. It will but if we play 343 you have this essentially Smith Baker Allen Tymon Campbell Powell JPB or Duhaney Thompson Saywers Doughty Brown Fletcher Ince or Edwards Clucas Vrancic Fox Sima Surridge DWP It's way too many options. There's a lot of noses out of joint and pissed off players. We have to see who will leave but it's not as easy saying it's a squad game or trust them pros. Similarly, we don't know who will leave and how it will fit. But as things stand that would be the situation.
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Post by themistocles on Jan 20, 2022 13:10:50 GMT
We like a Friday announcement..
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Post by nottsover60 on Jan 20, 2022 13:22:25 GMT
We might have the players with the skills but I'm not sure they have the footballing intelligence which is why I referenced Campbell's and Ince's orchestrated swapping of wings the other week. I want players who can change position at will and react with each other. As often said about Guardiola, he never tells his strikers where to play, just trusts them to get on with it. DWP gave me the impression he could do that last week which isn't surprising coming from City's academy. Powell can and often does do it. I think Ince probably can but I'm not sure about Campbell at the moment. Not advocating selling him, he's a natural goal scorer. As for central midfield players there isn't one I would worry about upsetting assuming Baker has been bought to play. Allen's on big wages, Vrancic on a 12 month contract (I'd keep him for another 12 if he's willing), Sawyers out for virtually the rest of his loan. Thompson has seen his stock rise at Stoke, Clucas will also be competing for a forward role.I have a sneaking feeling that Smith might be sold as Wilmot can play wide right defender if needed, Tymon can compete for a midfield role. My choice of 4 for the midfield would be Baker, Allen, Tymon and on last week's showing Ince. I think the shock transfer might be Doughty because I don't think MON thinks much of him and we might be able to recoup his transfer fee. Have I addressed your concerns? Or that was the instruction? They stuck to their wing because that was the plan then were told to swap so swapped. If it's not in the plan to swap then why would they? MON would scold them. It looked like plan to me. I'd get rid of them all bar Baker but you still can't upset them and have them around kicking their heels. And I wasn't including Vrancic, that makes 6 if you include him for 2 positions. This is what I mean, it's a lot upheaval to accommodate a loan. Wilmot can't play as a full back/wing back. We'd need another right back if we sold Smith. If we play 343 it would be Smith Baker Allen Tymon. I suspect if we go 343 we will dispense of full back /wing backs as attacking threats. We may use them defensively as two of the 4.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 20, 2022 13:24:13 GMT
Or that was the instruction? They stuck to their wing because that was the plan then were told to swap so swapped. If it's not in the plan to swap then why would they? MON would scold them. It looked like plan to me. I'd get rid of them all bar Baker but you still can't upset them and have them around kicking their heels. And I wasn't including Vrancic, that makes 6 if you include him for 2 positions. This is what I mean, it's a lot upheaval to accommodate a loan. Wilmot can't play as a full back/wing back. We'd need another right back if we sold Smith. If we play 343 it would be Smith Baker Allen Tymon. I suspect if we go 343 we will dispense of full back /wing backs as attacking threats. We may use them defensively as two of the 4. They're more naturally advanced in a 343 hence the notation. If we did that, it'd be a 523. Which would be novel.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jan 20, 2022 13:24:29 GMT
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Post by skemstokie on Jan 20, 2022 13:31:19 GMT
Can we just merge all threads on this message board under a "People arguing with Bayern" megathread and have done with it? It's beyond boring. It is boring I agree. That's why it pisses me off. I make a reasoned point and it happens. Not because of the point, not because of what I've put. Nothing I have put in this thread isn't reasoned, over the top or anything but football discussion. I'm not the issue. You have to bear in mind it is all about opinions., think about Boris for a moment,in his opinion he is not a liar but not many people agree but that is his opinion, i tend to take the view you lead a man to knowledge (in your opinion) but you can`t make him think.
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