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Post by gawa on Aug 22, 2024 15:31:34 GMT
I just think it's incredibly complex and some people are blinded by their views on Russia/Putin without considering the corruption in Ukraine. Its why I made a post of the timeline of history because criticism of Ukraine usually gets called "Russian propoganda" but when you read into it there's vast corruption on both sides of Ukraine (west v east) and the problems have been there for years. Personally I don't trust the west either because just like Russia they also have ulterior motives and that's what's frustrating for me too. Does the west or Russia have Ukranians best interests at heart? I don't think so. Eastern Ukranians are/have been facing oppression from Western backed Kyiv. And I'm sure the same goes the other way round too. Securing the borders is no good for eastern ukranians who are being oppressed by their own leaders. It needs a road to peace not just making Russia surrender. As thst doesn't bring peace internally. I don't think we should be standing with Israel personally. They always put their interests above other countries and were very happy to profiteer of Argentina by selling them weapons to be used against British soldiers during the Fawklands. What wars or conflicts have Israel supported us in? We owe them nothing and Iran is the very reason why we shouldn't be supporting them. They're also regularly lobbying ourselves and American politicians with money to serve their own interests above the interests of our own people. We'd be much better off cutting ties in my opinion. Israeli companies are behind alot of the misinformation and culture wars in the UK too. Anyway above everything else, I just hope we begin the pathway to peace rather than escalation. A world war on the horizon with todays weapons deeply concerns me and is something we should all be striving to avoid. Thankyou for your reply. I would make two observations: On Ukraine are you happy with the EU falling over themselves in making overture for them to join? In the case of Israel arms supplies, I'm not an expert but I have been told by a friend of Israel who visits regularly that the UK is more dependant of Israel arms supply than Israel is on the UK which is relatively minor. Do you have the same antagonism towards France who supplied Exocet missiles to Argentina? We should be wary of condemning the whole of a country and nation because of their government. Would we want the UK to be judged solely on our governments? Israel is a democracy and voted in their present government and they can vote them out of power at the next election. Gaza voted in Hamas who promptly got rid of their opposition and now hide behind civilians in schools and hospitals- yes OK - it may or may not be true. But is is true they have used aid for war, such as water pipes supplied as aid used as rocket launchers. Thank you for your reply too - I enjoy discussing this stuff. I think ultimately Ukraine does have that right to self determine if they are in the EU or not. However I do not agree with the pressure and conditions which the EU were putting on Ukraine to join and given the economic difficulties of the country at the time, I can see why they didn't join because Russia was offering them a better deal. Then when Euromaiden protests erupted the president at the time signed the "Agreement on the Settlement of the Political Crisis in Ukraine" and as part of that agreement he withdrew law enforcement from central Kyiv. The west however did not honour it because the next day the armed protesters seized government buildings and the west recognised the coup despite the agreement. So the EU just like the rest of the West weren't behaving in good faith and it was actually signing that agreement and believing they were which resulted in the resolution of dignity which then resulted in the pro-russia counter protests which eventually resulted in some of the regions being annexed and they've not returned to Ukraine since. Many political leaders in the West were also regularly attending the euromaiden protests too like John McCain, Victoria Nuland, Catherine Ashton, Guido Westerwelle etc.. If France was bombing lots of spanish children in 2024 and we were supporting them then yes I would. Now if Israel still had Yitzhak Rabin as a leader today then my position on Israel would be much different too. But since his assassination the country has just moved further and further away from peace and I think the misinformation they push and the arrogance of their government ministers just makes them even more dislikeable. If a new Israeli government was elected tomorrow, and by new I mean not just a reshuffle, then my position may change. But under Netanyahu I'd rather we distance ourselves as he is on the same level as your Hitlers and Putins for me. I 100% agree about condemning a whole nation based on their government - just like I don't judge Palestines by Hamas. My paragraph above sort of touches on that. To be fair to the Israelis too, prior to this escalation in Gaza there were alot out protesting against Netanyahu and wanting him gone due to corruption and wanting to appoint his own Judges (I think?) to judicate over allegations of corruption against him/governmnet. I understand your point on Hamas and I don't agree with their crimes but the word "terrorist" doesn't have the same affect on me. Alot of terrorism is formed through oppression and a last resort so unless you get rid of the terrorist creators, you'll keep getting them. No doubt we will have more terrorists in Palestine and when you hear stories of children watching their families blown up around them and feeling helpless then I can understand why some resort to it even if I don't agree with it. Some of the most notable terrorists of our times became Noble Peace Prize winners. Those who created the conditions for terrorism to breed haven't had the same recognition for contributions to peace. It's complicated. And to go back to the beginning paragraph, having researched more on the history of Ukraine and the build up to 2014 and seeing some of the actions of the EU surrounding those negotiations and such, I can understand your distrust of the EU.
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Post by mtrstudent on Aug 23, 2024 8:17:27 GMT
Looks like ukraine did hit a valuable logistics ship in occupied Crimea.
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Post by mtrstudent on Aug 23, 2024 10:32:01 GMT
]You've missed out this line in your quotation: "I'm not denying or supporting that Russia massacred these citizens in Bucha, I'm simply trying to highlight the complexities in analysing it." One person says there are satellite images of bodies in March. Another person says there that the bodies in the street are next to a crater from a shell, which means it could have been from shelling. The Mayor says the town is liberated and free from Russia days before any of this accusations come out. But then other Ukranian sources said this ""Special forces (Ukranian) have begun a clearing operation in the city of Bucha, which has been liberated by Armed Forces of Ukraine. The city is being cleared from saboteurs and accomplices of Russian Forces" What does "cleared from saboteurs and accomplices" mean? Quite clearly conflicting claims from both sides here. I'd support an independent investigation in the same way I support independent investigations into war crimes in the Israel/Palestine conflict. Nobody should be marking their own homework - you agree? For instance your quote from the UN. Here is the sentence before the part you quoted: "Hundreds of civilians were allegedly killed by Russian armed forces in situations that were not linked to active fighting. As of 15 May, OHCHR is working to corroborate over 300 allegations of such killings" So despite being told 400 people killed by Russians. It seems they could only confirm 50 of those deaths were Russian? So again an independent investigation should have been done. As for what a refugee says, it's anecdotal. Your source from the UN for instance provides a quote saying "At least in prison we were allowed to take daily walks outside", and talks about there being a ban on leaving houses during Russian control. So I'm not sure how he'd witness anything and more than likely is going of hearsay. For instance it conflicts with what the new york times journalists reported who were in Bucha reporting at the time of the massacre. It also conflicts with what the mayor said too. Who is right? I don't know but I do support independent investigations to find the truth. But what do you think happened? Come on mate, the satellite photos show the corpses were already in the street before the russians left. Some pro-russian speculating that maybe a hole nearby some bodies was a mortar is not remotely on the same level of evidence of actual literal photographic proof that the russians are lying. The russians lied about it. I have spoken to a first hand witness on this so I don't buy any of this pro-russian-murder propaganda shite about "how do we know". There are witnesses, security camera footage and russian call records showing that the russian army was just murdering innocents. You can call for independent investigations, and the UN investigators said they could find documentary proof for many of them. I'm fully fine and supportive of more independent investigation of the evidence, because I know what it'll find. What do you think happened?
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Post by mtrstudent on Aug 23, 2024 10:40:10 GMT
I think the 'unprovoked' line which Western politicians have used from the start is either ignorant or dishonest, depending on who is saying it. If you know about Victoria Nuland, Saakashvili and the Kagan family and use this line, I would suggest it's the latter. It's another thing to say the response to the perceived provocation is disproportionate and wrong though. You can even make the argument that western countries should interfere in sovereign nations in order to spread liberal democracy, but using the word unprovoked still doesn't really fit for me. People in power want to frame everything as good and evil, freedom and democracy, etc etc, in order to have popular support for their geopolitical strategy. Maybe I'm too cynical! I don't see it as provoked. "Russia wants to be an empire and control Ukraine, or control what Ukrainians do so Ukrainians can't choose their own future or we'll start invading you" is fucked up. Ukrainians making their own choices (despite huge russian economic pressure) is not provocation because I don't accept russia's desired imperial conquests are valid. If Russia was actually threatened, like by an invasion or something, then I would accept they have a point. But there was no threat. It comes down to whether you think russia has special rights to control Ukraine or not. I don't accept that at all so their invasion was unprovoked.
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Post by mtrstudent on Aug 23, 2024 10:55:58 GMT
The news from the front is still bad. There's some units that could get surrounded in the east, and Russia is advancing in a new area called Toretsk. A lot of the issues come from republicans blockading aid for six months. They helped kill lots of Ukrainians, so there aren't enough defenders now. Recruits are being trained and the ammo situation is improving though. Russia has conquered something ~0.15% more of Ukraine in 9.5 months so the Land changes are not anything to panic about yet. I think it's all a question of how big casualties have been on each side. You keep blaming Republicans which I think is a biased worldview. If the Democrats when they controlled Congress and the Senate had armed Ukraine appropriately and allowed them to defend themselves properly they might have had a chance last summer to rout a Russian army in disarray. You also never mention the over 30 Democrats that sent a letter to Biden calling for a negotiated settlement to the war. Ukraine should have been armed to the hilt from the get go and allowed to attack Russia as long as the war continued without restrictions My political bias is that I'm pro-democracy so I'm not sympathetic towards those on the pro-dictatorship side like Xi, Putin, Un and Trump. Ukraine should have been armed to the hilt from the beginning - I agree. Overall I think Biden did things in about the right order, and that he had to account for three major things, (1) moving a whole alliance and keeping it united, (2) avoiding things that would open major political risks because MAGA republicans would use it as a wedge, and MAGA republicans want to blockade Ukraine so Putin has a better chance of winning, (3) avoiding escalation to WW3 and nuclear war. Unfortunately Biden picked an overly safe strategy that has made things far more costly. Many of the delays and some of the remaining limitations are unbelievably stupid. But he and the Democrats were sending annual support packages sufficient for very likely Ukrainian victory. MAGA Republicans' blockaded the 2024 package for 6 months and have killed all discussion of 2025 aid. This is entirely on them. They are the only reason the aid was delayed. That blockade was catastrophic: many Ukrainians needlessly died, a lot more of the russian army survived, and russia was able to break through key defences faster. It wouldn't have happened like that if Ukraine had the ammunition and armour that MAGA republicans alone were blockading. Ukraine is also having to spread out its resources because of Republicans, they can't count on further replenishment in 2025 so once again, more Ukrainians are needlessly dying from lack of ammunition and armour. Replace the Republican house majority with a Democratic one and there is no question - the blockade wouldn't have happened and the war would look totally different. The Republicans saved Putin for the next year. I understand that there are a lot of moving parts, and that politicians say a lot of things but I don't tend to believe their media words. I follow their votes and what happens to the money, weapons and ammo, and in the real world the US choice is between Democratic presidency and majorities and the best chance for Ukrainian victory, or Republican presidency or a majority, and Ukraine gets starved of US aid to give Putin a hope of victory.
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Post by gawa on Aug 23, 2024 12:10:39 GMT
]You've missed out this line in your quotation: "I'm not denying or supporting that Russia massacred these citizens in Bucha, I'm simply trying to highlight the complexities in analysing it." One person says there are satellite images of bodies in March. Another person says there that the bodies in the street are next to a crater from a shell, which means it could have been from shelling. The Mayor says the town is liberated and free from Russia days before any of this accusations come out. But then other Ukranian sources said this ""Special forces (Ukranian) have begun a clearing operation in the city of Bucha, which has been liberated by Armed Forces of Ukraine. The city is being cleared from saboteurs and accomplices of Russian Forces" What does "cleared from saboteurs and accomplices" mean? Quite clearly conflicting claims from both sides here. I'd support an independent investigation in the same way I support independent investigations into war crimes in the Israel/Palestine conflict. Nobody should be marking their own homework - you agree? For instance your quote from the UN. Here is the sentence before the part you quoted: "Hundreds of civilians were allegedly killed by Russian armed forces in situations that were not linked to active fighting. As of 15 May, OHCHR is working to corroborate over 300 allegations of such killings" So despite being told 400 people killed by Russians. It seems they could only confirm 50 of those deaths were Russian? So again an independent investigation should have been done. As for what a refugee says, it's anecdotal. Your source from the UN for instance provides a quote saying "At least in prison we were allowed to take daily walks outside", and talks about there being a ban on leaving houses during Russian control. So I'm not sure how he'd witness anything and more than likely is going of hearsay. For instance it conflicts with what the new york times journalists reported who were in Bucha reporting at the time of the massacre. It also conflicts with what the mayor said too. Who is right? I don't know but I do support independent investigations to find the truth. But what do you think happened? Come on mate, the satellite photos show the corpses were already in the street before the russians left. Some pro-russian speculating that maybe a hole nearby some bodies was a mortar is not remotely on the same level of evidence of actual literal photographic proof that the russians are lying. The russians lied about it. I have spoken to a first hand witness on this so I don't buy any of this pro-russian-murder propaganda shite about "how do we know". There are witnesses, security camera footage and russian call records showing that the russian army was just murdering innocents. You can call for independent investigations, and the UN investigators said they could find documentary proof for many of them. I'm fully fine and supportive of more independent investigation of the evidence, because I know what it'll find. What do you think happened? The satellite images is not evidence of anything Mtrstudent. If a satellite image provided by Blackrock/Maxar Technologies, who have vested interests, is the only hard evidence we have then that's enough to doubt. The only satellite image they have is from after the Russians left. Why have Maxar Technologies refused to sell or release images from their satellites dates March 19, March 22, March 23? Why would the Russian troops who were not forced out of battle leave incriminating evidence? Why would they make no effort to cover it up? Why was there absolutely zero evidence on crimes on social media or in the legacy media prior to Russian withdrawl? Why would the Bucha Mayor come out joyous talking about it being liberated after the Russians left but not report any of said crimes? Why did the Ukranian national police release footage of them driving around Bucha on April 2nd giving reports on things but not mentioning a massacre? Why can the UN only confirm the deaths of around 70 people compared to Ukraines claims of 400? Why were the identities of the dead never provided? Why is Russian so supportive of an independent investigation? Why have Ukraine, who have occupied Bucha since then, not allowed an independent investigation? Why did the New York Times, Reuters, Pentagon and many others who reported on it say they couldn't “independently verify the assertions by Ukraine’s Defense Ministry and other officials". Why are so many of the dead wearing white armbands which is used to show they're not hostile to Russian forces? i.e. civilians who aren't a threat Why are so many of the bodies pictured next to Russian rations? To feed their victims before murdering them? Why are there videos (most since removed) of bodies being dragged across the street with ropes by Ukranian troops? Why did Czech national who has since been imprisoned for unlawfully fighting with the Carpathlian Sich battalion boast about looting the dead and said "We were the police, we were the court, we were the firing squad when it came to this" (Philip Siman google him) Why did the court only punish him for looting in a war zone but not for mercenary activity in a foreign land? Why does Sergey Lavrov multiple requests for an investigation from the United Nations get ignored? Google it you can see the videos of him addressing the United Nations. Why did the videos from french journalist Adrien Bocquet vanish from most of the internet. Why would someone try to kill him in Turkey? Why was there such an effort to discredit him after his revelations? What does "The city is being cleared from saboteurs and accomplices of Russian Forces" mean? Where they imprisoned? How many of them? What were their identities? What happened to the "saboteurs and accomplices" and what does being "cleared" mean? I know what imprisoned or arrested means. Not sure what "cleared" means. Why did the New York Times who were there reporting on the conflict from Bucha not report any of these crimes either until days after Russia left? Why did the evidence only emerge after the Security Service of Ukraine entered the town? Is the article you linked meant to have a video which can be played because it doesn't seem to play for me. I think the Istanbul Communiqué which was agreed between Russian and Ukranian peace negotiators in the absence of western presence was quite substantial too. Washington weren't supportive of the peace agreements discussed in their absence and they seemed to be more interested in weakening Russia rather than finding peace. So it was then very convenient to suddenly have a few massacres to try and change public opinion and move away from any peace deals. Especially massacres which had no evidence and weren't even discussed by Mayors or Police until 4 days after the Russians left and the Ukranian security services arrived. So to answer your question. I don't know what happened but I know there are alot of stories, also from witnesses, which contradict your version of events. Of course though anything which goes against what the West says is "Russian propoganda". So I only have one question in response to you. Do you have any examples of Ukranian propoganda in the war? Edit: Sorry another question too. How do you interpret "The city is being cleared from saboteurs and accomplices of Russian Forces"? And if it was to imprison them. Where there videos of the saboteurs being rounded up? Where there names released? What happened to them and where were they cleared to?
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Post by gawa on Aug 23, 2024 12:26:53 GMT
I think the 'unprovoked' line which Western politicians have used from the start is either ignorant or dishonest, depending on who is saying it. If you know about Victoria Nuland, Saakashvili and the Kagan family and use this line, I would suggest it's the latter. It's another thing to say the response to the perceived provocation is disproportionate and wrong though. You can even make the argument that western countries should interfere in sovereign nations in order to spread liberal democracy, but using the word unprovoked still doesn't really fit for me. People in power want to frame everything as good and evil, freedom and democracy, etc etc, in order to have popular support for their geopolitical strategy. Maybe I'm too cynical! I don't see it as provoked. "Russia wants to be an empire and control Ukraine, or control what Ukrainians do so Ukrainians can't choose their own future or we'll start invading you" is fucked up. Ukrainians making their own choices (despite huge russian economic pressure) is not provocation because I don't accept russia's desired imperial conquests are valid. If Russia was actually threatened, like by an invasion or something, then I would accept they have a point. But there was no threat. It comes down to whether you think russia has special rights to control Ukraine or not. I don't accept that at all so their invasion was unprovoked. Do the west have special rights to control Ukraine? Do western leaders speaking at euromaiden protests which resulted in a coup on the ELECTED government show respect of Ukraines soverignity? Does the Ukranian president not have the right to decide which deal best suits the country? The EU deal which came with a load of preconditions in relation to Ukranian law and who they trade with. Or the Russian deal which offered much more financial help with no preconditions? Are you suggesting that Russia are imperialists but the West who have the longest history of imperialism in the modern world... aren't imperialist? It comes down to whether you think the West has rights to control Ukraine. It seems you think they do?
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Post by mtrstudent on Aug 23, 2024 12:44:08 GMT
This source is good but a bit... Enthusiastic sometimes. They think 5-6 russian aircraft were damaged or destroyed in a recent airfield attack.
There are experts who are more conservative and I haven't seen them weigh in yet.
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Post by Gabrielzakuaniandjuliet on Aug 23, 2024 20:55:39 GMT
You keep blaming Republicans which I think is a biased worldview. If the Democrats when they controlled Congress and the Senate had armed Ukraine appropriately and allowed them to defend themselves properly they might have had a chance last summer to rout a Russian army in disarray. You also never mention the over 30 Democrats that sent a letter to Biden calling for a negotiated settlement to the war. Ukraine should have been armed to the hilt from the get go and allowed to attack Russia as long as the war continued without restrictions My political bias is that I'm pro-democracy so I'm not sympathetic towards those on the pro-dictatorship side like Xi, Putin, Un and Trump. Ukraine should have been armed to the hilt from the beginning - I agree. Overall I think Biden did things in about the right order, and that he had to account for three major things, (1) moving a whole alliance and keeping it united, (2) avoiding things that would open major political risks because MAGA republicans would use it as a wedge, and MAGA republicans want to blockade Ukraine so Putin has a better chance of winning, (3) avoiding escalation to WW3 and nuclear war. Unfortunately Biden picked an overly safe strategy that has made things far more costly. Many of the delays and some of the remaining limitations are unbelievably stupid. But he and the Democrats were sending annual support packages sufficient for very likely Ukrainian victory. MAGA Republicans' blockaded the 2024 package for 6 months and have killed all discussion of 2025 aid. This is entirely on them. They are the only reason the aid was delayed. That blockade was catastrophic: many Ukrainians needlessly died, a lot more of the russian army survived, and russia was able to break through key defences faster. It wouldn't have happened like that if Ukraine had the ammunition and armour that MAGA republicans alone were blockading. Ukraine is also having to spread out its resources because of Republicans, they can't count on further replenishment in 2025 so once again, more Ukrainians are needlessly dying from lack of ammunition and armour. Replace the Republican house majority with a Democratic one and there is no question - the blockade wouldn't have happened and the war would look totally different. The Republicans saved Putin for the next year. I understand that there are a lot of moving parts, and that politicians say a lot of things but I don't tend to believe their media words. I follow their votes and what happens to the money, weapons and ammo, and in the real world the US choice is between Democratic presidency and majorities and the best chance for Ukrainian victory, or Republican presidency or a majority, and Ukraine gets starved of US aid to give Putin a hope of victory. It would be useful if people could define victory. Surely the best approach would be to hugely increase aid with one hand and with the other manage negotiations from a position of strength? Two more years of trench warfare and total demographic ruin of a nation in order to get... Crimea? That doesn't sound like a real victory to me, even if it technically might be defined as one
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Aug 23, 2024 21:06:35 GMT
My political bias is that I'm pro-democracy so I'm not sympathetic towards those on the pro-dictatorship side like Xi, Putin, Un and Trump. Ukraine should have been armed to the hilt from the beginning - I agree. Overall I think Biden did things in about the right order, and that he had to account for three major things, (1) moving a whole alliance and keeping it united, (2) avoiding things that would open major political risks because MAGA republicans would use it as a wedge, and MAGA republicans want to blockade Ukraine so Putin has a better chance of winning, (3) avoiding escalation to WW3 and nuclear war. Unfortunately Biden picked an overly safe strategy that has made things far more costly. Many of the delays and some of the remaining limitations are unbelievably stupid. But he and the Democrats were sending annual support packages sufficient for very likely Ukrainian victory. MAGA Republicans' blockaded the 2024 package for 6 months and have killed all discussion of 2025 aid. This is entirely on them. They are the only reason the aid was delayed. That blockade was catastrophic: many Ukrainians needlessly died, a lot more of the russian army survived, and russia was able to break through key defences faster. It wouldn't have happened like that if Ukraine had the ammunition and armour that MAGA republicans alone were blockading. Ukraine is also having to spread out its resources because of Republicans, they can't count on further replenishment in 2025 so once again, more Ukrainians are needlessly dying from lack of ammunition and armour. Replace the Republican house majority with a Democratic one and there is no question - the blockade wouldn't have happened and the war would look totally different. The Republicans saved Putin for the next year. I understand that there are a lot of moving parts, and that politicians say a lot of things but I don't tend to believe their media words. I follow their votes and what happens to the money, weapons and ammo, and in the real world the US choice is between Democratic presidency and majorities and the best chance for Ukrainian victory, or Republican presidency or a majority, and Ukraine gets starved of US aid to give Putin a hope of victory. It would be useful if people could define victory. Surely the best approach would be to hugely increase aid with one hand and with the other manage negotiations from a position of strength? Two more years of trench warfare and total demographic ruin of a nation in order to get... Crimea? That doesn't sound like a real victory to me, even if it technically might be defined as one Those peace loving democrats sure love bombing the crap out of places 😆 They also love selling weapons, wonderful for the economy😏
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Post by Gods on Aug 23, 2024 21:52:18 GMT
Independence day in Ukraine tomorrow, Putin humiliated, good chance Russia will try something unspeakable you would imagine.
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Post by mtrstudent on Aug 24, 2024 7:06:40 GMT
Confirmed that a russian ammo base is blowing up. They're saying it was a Ukrainian Neptun missile, if real it would be (one of?) the first land hit inside Russia with them I think?
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Post by mtrstudent on Aug 24, 2024 11:00:58 GMT
Ukraine claims a new drone was used on russia.
The name "Palyanitsya" is a special type of Ukrainian bread and apparently russian-only speakers can't pronounce it properly, so the word is used as a kind of "code" to test if someone is Ukrainian.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Aug 24, 2024 12:45:15 GMT
The pain Ukraine is now inflicting on Russia by attacking their territory should have be allowed from the get go.
Russias Special Military Disaster might have been brought to a halt by now, instead we have Russia continuing to make gains (albeit slow and at a painful cost) across the front.
Ukraine should now be allowed to unleash hell on strategic targets throughout Russia.
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Post by chuffedstokie on Aug 24, 2024 15:06:51 GMT
Ukraine claims a new drone was used on russia. The name "Palyanitsya" is a special type of Ukrainian bread and apparently russian-only speakers can't pronounce it properly, so the word is used as a kind of "code" to test if someone is Ukrainian. Like their thinking.
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Post by gawa on Aug 24, 2024 21:10:16 GMT
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Post by mtrstudent on Aug 25, 2024 10:34:54 GMT
Amazing footage, drive by shootdown.
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Post by mtrstudent on Aug 25, 2024 10:35:24 GMT
Everyone involved in sorting out these swaps and getting people home has contributed to something wonderful 👍
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Post by staffordstokiemad1 on Aug 25, 2024 18:30:53 GMT
A worrying sign.
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Post by iancransonsknees on Aug 25, 2024 21:22:46 GMT
Like going to war in a commer van
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Post by Northy on Aug 26, 2024 6:36:10 GMT
Like going to war in a commer van Did Morris do something similar, I remember my dad had something similar for his carpet/floor laying?
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Post by mtrstudent on Aug 26, 2024 7:11:34 GMT
More amazing air defence work.
Big terror attack from russia on Ukraine's independence day.
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Post by mtrstudent on Aug 26, 2024 7:14:15 GMT
Belarus have done this before and they donated a lot of equipment to the russians. Loads of Belarusian tanks and ammo have been used up. Maybe they think Ukraine is too stretched now? I still think they're just posing to distract though. I'd only expect Luka to go in if Trump wins because otherwise Ukraine should expect enough US aid to defeat russia and Luka could face invasion.
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Post by mtrstudent on Aug 26, 2024 7:24:30 GMT
Reuters worker killed in their hotel by a russian missile.
Who knows if this was targeted but they've previously blown up hotels with accurate weapons.
This is the city where, in April 2022, terrorist russia lobbed an accurate guided missile into a train station and murdered 63 civilians who were trying to evacuate.
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Post by Northy on Aug 26, 2024 7:34:33 GMT
Reuters worker killed in their hotel by a russian missile. Who knows if this was targeted but they've previously blown up hotels with accurate weapons. This is the city where, in April 2022, terrorist russia lobbed an accurate guided missile into a train station and murdered 63 civilians who were trying to evacuate. They are pure evil cowards.
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Post by mtrstudent on Aug 26, 2024 7:37:08 GMT
Reuters worker killed in their hotel by a russian missile. Who knows if this was targeted but they've previously blown up hotels with accurate weapons. This is the city where, in April 2022, terrorist russia lobbed an accurate guided missile into a train station and murdered 63 civilians who were trying to evacuate. They are pure evil cowards. And some people lap up the russian fake news that blames Ukraine for the attack. Russia dropped a missile on hundreds of desperately evacuating civilians, murdered loads, and some people are like "america bad maybe Ukraine murdered its own people" ffs.
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Post by mtrstudent on Aug 26, 2024 7:38:00 GMT
This guy knows his shit and doesn't think Belarus has enough for a full invasion of Ukraine yet.
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Post by Northy on Aug 26, 2024 7:42:29 GMT
This guy knows his shit and doesn't think Belarus has enough for a full invasion of Ukraine yet. I think Poland should mass it's armies on the Belarus border 'for an exercise' that would piss on the Belarus bonfire.
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Post by mtrstudent on Aug 26, 2024 7:52:43 GMT
MASSIVE russian air raid going on all over Ukraine.
They've been saving up missiles for this. Power has gone out in a few places and at least one apartment building was hit.
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Post by mtrstudent on Aug 26, 2024 11:28:03 GMT
Bad news is gonna keep coming today 😔
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