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Post by scfcno1fan on Oct 9, 2022 18:31:23 GMT
My wife went to Russia on a business trip a few years ago.
Most frightening experience of her life.
An odd country. With some very odd people.
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Post by OldStokie on Oct 9, 2022 18:34:24 GMT
Classic wanker Putin quite willing to slaughter tens of thousands of Russian soldiers, IMO the more the merrier and once embarrassed in the world press pings missiles into residential areas, big man, not. I despise everything that is Russian I still think you're going too far projecting it onto everything Russian. I totally understand your anger but also know Russians who oppose the war, donate to Ukraine etc. The culture has a cancer in it right now, but IMO blanket hatred only feeds that cancer. There might be a way to make Russia in 30 years look more like Japan or Germany do now. My mate's granddad spent time in a WW2 Japanese camp and would never, ever have accepted anything except brutal punishment for all Japanese. Hated them to his dying breath... If we'd listened to him we wouldn't have a democratic ally in the far East today. It's a tough and tricky subject though. After he was at Dunkirk, my old dad fought in North Africa and then in Burma against the Japanese. He always said you should never trust an Arab (he was knifed by one in Algiers) and saw war crimes in Burma that I wouldn't describe on here, but he hated the Japanese until his death. But modern people have to move on and I sincerely hope you're right about Russia in 30 years. OS.
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Post by RichieBarkerOut! on Oct 9, 2022 18:46:55 GMT
Classic wanker Putin quite willing to slaughter tens of thousands of Russian soldiers, IMO the more the merrier and once embarrassed in the world press pings missiles into residential areas, big man, not. I despise everything that is Russian I still think you're going too far projecting it onto everything Russian. I totally understand your anger but also know Russians who oppose the war, donate to Ukraine etc. The culture has a cancer in it right now, but IMO blanket hatred only feeds that cancer. There might be a way to make Russia in 30 years look more like Japan or Germany do now. My mate's granddad spent time in a WW2 Japanese camp and would never, ever have accepted anything except brutal punishment for all Japanese. Hated them to his dying breath... If we'd listened to him we wouldn't have a democratic ally in the far East today. It's a tough and tricky subject though. I admire your optimism, but I cannot see it ever happening. Governing an enormous country like Russia has always been done with utter contempt for life since the middle ages and then Ivan The Terrible turned it up a couple of notches. That's not to say that Russians have an endemic desire to rule the world, but their culture respects the tough big guy at the top, and that inevitably means that the leader will be a twat that perpetuates the status quo.
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Post by scfcfred on Oct 9, 2022 19:15:45 GMT
Positive movements
New Poll 53% of Russians still think the war is proceeding successfully when polled by Levada in September, down from 73% in May.
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Post by Etain Tur-Mukan on Oct 9, 2022 19:17:28 GMT
I’ve met quite a few Russians through work mainly. And I have to say they’ve all been absolute cunts. Hope I don’t get called out for xenophobia 👀 Was it the euros when their fans, well soldiers ran amok ?? Well they did until The “older” England fans turned up, wife’s nieces husband told me some interesting stories when they faced up to the Russians Can you share? Haven't heard anything apart from the Russians running amok:/
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Post by musik on Oct 9, 2022 23:40:07 GMT
Late Swedish TV text news:
Putin accuses Ukraine of terror, because a bridge was destroyed. A way for him/they to use nuclear weapons as an excuse.
Iran deliver drones to Russia, and are now blaming USA for the ongoing protests within the country. China gave Putin the Konfucius Prize for creating piece years ago.
I don't think he/they will be standing alone.
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Post by Boothen on Oct 10, 2022 5:17:14 GMT
I’ve met quite a few Russians through work mainly. And I have to say they’ve all been absolute cunts. Hope I don’t get called out for xenophobia 👀 Was it the euros when their fans, well soldiers ran amok ?? Well they did until The “older” England fans turned up, wife’s nieces husband told me some interesting stories when they faced up to the Russians Euros were pretty tame to be honest. Back when I was living in Russia I witnessed first hand, amongst many acts of absolute violence, a football fan get his skull/face caved in and then as he lay dying one of the guys came back and he was repeatedly stabbed with a bayonet. This was in a park in broad daylight and not a single fuck was given. People just stepped around and over his body. It didn't even make the local news, let alone the national news.
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Post by mtrstudent on Oct 10, 2022 6:36:23 GMT
Looks like Putin's response was to murder more civilians in Kyiv and Lviv.
Targets still not clear but if it's just more terror attacks on normal folk then the parallels between Hitler and Putin just get more obvious. Wasn't it Hitler who forced the Luftwaffe to terror bomb London during the blitz, giving time for the RAF to recover and eventually win?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 10, 2022 6:38:11 GMT
Terrorist state doing terrorist things
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Post by Gods on Oct 10, 2022 6:58:01 GMT
Yes indeed, Putin is an evil bastard, for sure he could give Hitler a run for his money. Some parallels with Stalin too.
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Post by mtrstudent on Oct 10, 2022 7:02:29 GMT
I'm still astounded at the strength of the rouble. Understood it for the first few months of the war as the Russian Bank propped it up but its still strong. Looks like we have part of the answer... Russia spent $25 billion of its foreign exchange in September. They've got about ten months left at that rate, but the rate has been speeding up.
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Post by Veritas on Oct 10, 2022 7:55:40 GMT
Yes indeed, Putin is an evil bastard, for sure he could give Hitler a run for his money. Some parallels with Stalin too. Putin is evil but up there, or rather down there, with Hitler and Stalin? They were both responsible for the death of millions, Pol Pot and Mao are in that league of evil but not Putin who is even second division at being evil.
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Post by mtrstudent on Oct 10, 2022 8:09:11 GMT
Some interesting numbers.
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Post by wagsastokie on Oct 10, 2022 9:04:46 GMT
Some interesting numbers. It would suggest to me that as Ukraine gets better equipment and training there inflicting heavier losses
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Post by questionable on Oct 10, 2022 9:11:34 GMT
Looks like Putin's response was to murder more civilians in Kyiv and Lviv. Targets still not clear but if it's just more terror attacks on normal folk then the parallels between Hitler and Putin just get more obvious. Wasn't it Hitler who forced the Luftwaffe to terror bomb London during the blitz, giving time for the RAF to recover and eventually win? I’m actually reading a book about the Battle of Britain, actual memoirs of the pilots themselves. A stray German bomber dropped a bomb on London which caused outrage and enormous reprisals for the Germans . At first it was bombing military targets the civilian. Recovery wise we were on our arse with so few pilots, whose life expectancy was two weeks, great book and we owe so much to so few.
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Post by mtrstudent on Oct 10, 2022 9:11:48 GMT
Some interesting numbers. It would suggest to me that as Ukraine gets better equipment and training there inflicting heavier losses Def looks like it. Also things were harder when Ukraine had to kill off the best of the Russian army at the beginning. Ukraine has been both really smart and really brave with using the equipment. They had to go through unbelievable horror during the battle of Donbas when Russia still had elite units and loads of fresh artillery.
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Post by mtrstudent on Oct 10, 2022 9:15:31 GMT
I still think you're going too far projecting it onto everything Russian. I totally understand your anger but also know Russians who oppose the war, donate to Ukraine etc. The culture has a cancer in it right now, but IMO blanket hatred only feeds that cancer. There might be a way to make Russia in 30 years look more like Japan or Germany do now. My mate's granddad spent time in a WW2 Japanese camp and would never, ever have accepted anything except brutal punishment for all Japanese. Hated them to his dying breath... If we'd listened to him we wouldn't have a democratic ally in the far East today. It's a tough and tricky subject though. Where I live there’s Ukrainian flags flying on every other house and I’m immensely proud of that, no if’s or buts but “all” Russians are vermin I'n making a ukraine flag photo collection, it's lovely to see them flying around home. Also seen them in LA and at a Rammstein gig, during the bit where the camera pans around for people to get their tits out I hope at some point you'll be persuaded that it's not *all* Russians. What about the Russians who joined the Ukrainian military for example? I agree they gave a *huge* social problem but there are big hateful groups in the West as well, who would be acting just the same in similar conditions. Hate towards entire groups only makes those groups stick closer together when strategically you want them to be as weak as possible.
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Post by mtrstudent on Oct 10, 2022 9:18:24 GMT
I still think you're going too far projecting it onto everything Russian. I totally understand your anger but also know Russians who oppose the war, donate to Ukraine etc. The culture has a cancer in it right now, but IMO blanket hatred only feeds that cancer. There might be a way to make Russia in 30 years look more like Japan or Germany do now. My mate's granddad spent time in a WW2 Japanese camp and would never, ever have accepted anything except brutal punishment for all Japanese. Hated them to his dying breath... If we'd listened to him we wouldn't have a democratic ally in the far East today. It's a tough and tricky subject though. I admire your optimism, but I cannot see it ever happening. Governing an enormous country like Russia has always been done with utter contempt for life since the middle ages and then Ivan The Terrible turned it up a couple of notches. That's not to say that Russians have an endemic desire to rule the world, but their culture respects the tough big guy at the top, and that inevitably means that the leader will be a twat that perpetuates the status quo. If someone had said similar about Japan or Germany in 1943 everyone would have thought they were nuts as well! But it worked, even though both of those cultures have very strong hierarchical and military traditions. Then again, it took a huge reckoning and basically occupation. But I'm a big believer in culture changing and the younger, urban Russians I know are certainly nothing like the types Putin wants.
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Post by stokeuk474 on Oct 10, 2022 10:43:37 GMT
German consulate building in Kyiv has been hit by a missile this morning. Could that provoke a response from Germany/Nato?
Is the consulate building classed as German territory? Or is that just the embassy? Or are they the same thing?
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Post by mtrstudent on Oct 10, 2022 11:02:24 GMT
Ukraine MoD says 83 missiles and rockets launched so far.
Unless something major's been hit (no info yet), what a fucking waste. Hopefully most where cruise missiles - Russia could just have spunked away every missile they built in the last few months.
And in a few months time Ukraine will have more NATO air defence.
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Post by phileetin on Oct 10, 2022 11:11:28 GMT
i wish the ukrainians could blow up some places in russia , show the russkie civilians there are two sides
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Post by steve66 on Oct 10, 2022 11:12:03 GMT
BERLIN -- Germany has condemned a barrage of Russian strikes on Ukrainian cities and promised help in repairing damage to civilian infrastructure.
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Post by lordb on Oct 10, 2022 11:31:26 GMT
Ukraine MoD says 83 missiles and rockets launched so far. Unless something major's been hit (no info yet), what a fucking waste. Hopefully most where cruise missiles - Russia could just have spunked away every missile they built in the last few months. And in a few months time Ukraine will have more NATO air defence. Indeed Clearly not a Russian military decision as its a waste of missiles to strike non military targets
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Post by shakermaker on Oct 10, 2022 13:10:06 GMT
i wish the ukrainians could blow up some places in russia , show the russkie civilians there are two sides Me too! A few long-range cruise missiles landing on strategic targets in Moscow or St Petersburg would definitely send a message to Putin. However, no doubt he would use that as the perfect excuse to go nuclear and I'm thinking the West has implored Ukraine to play the long game and not attack any Russian towns or cities.
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Post by mtrstudent on Oct 10, 2022 13:31:01 GMT
i wish the ukrainians could blow up some places in russia , show the russkie civilians there are two sides Me too! A few long-range cruise missiles landing on strategic targets in Moscow or St Petersburg would definitely send a message to Putin. However, no doubt he would use that as the perfect excuse to go nuclear and I'm thinking the West has implored Ukraine to play the long game and not attack any Russian towns or cities. There have been videos of at least one drone strike in Belgorod, and other claims that attacks caused fires elsewhere in Russia. Ukraine should avoid civilian targets and they have been. Blowing up certain military targets means victory is closer though.
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Post by questionable on Oct 10, 2022 13:41:15 GMT
/mediaviewer
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Post by prestwichpotter on Oct 10, 2022 13:48:32 GMT
I still think you're going too far projecting it onto everything Russian. I totally understand your anger but also know Russians who oppose the war, donate to Ukraine etc. The culture has a cancer in it right now, but IMO blanket hatred only feeds that cancer. There might be a way to make Russia in 30 years look more like Japan or Germany do now. My mate's granddad spent time in a WW2 Japanese camp and would never, ever have accepted anything except brutal punishment for all Japanese. Hated them to his dying breath... If we'd listened to him we wouldn't have a democratic ally in the far East today. It's a tough and tricky subject though. Where I live there’s Ukrainian flags flying on every other house and I’m immensely proud of that, no if’s or buts but “all” Russians are vermin Sorry you're saying "all Russians are vermin" or am I reading that wrong?
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Post by butlerstbob on Oct 10, 2022 21:54:08 GMT
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Post by questionable on Oct 11, 2022 14:57:37 GMT
To a certain degree you have to question the Ukrainian figures relating to Russian troop casualties, Tanks destroyed, Jets shot down etc, etc but from the vast amounts of footage available you’d not argue with their figures at all.
Ukraine seemingly annihilate anything that moves, there’s very recent footage of whole columns of Russian equipment and soldiers getting vaporised on the battle field.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Oct 11, 2022 15:19:56 GMT
To a certain degree you have to question the Ukrainian figures relating to Russian troop casualties, Tanks destroyed, Jets shot down etc, etc but from the vast amounts of footage available you’d not argue with their figures at all. Ukraine seemingly annihilate anything that moves, there’s very recent footage of whole columns of Russian equipment and soldiers getting vaporised on the battle field. I keep seeing figures like Ukrain have killed 174 (or other very specific numbers) Russian soldiers. How do they know? I’m sure they’re killing many but to be that specific It sounds like bollocks to me
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