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Post by lordb on Jun 23, 2024 12:36:45 GMT
In what way would Putin have need to sell anything, be it a War or a " a Special Military Operation" to his "Public" Which member of his "Public", that is still alive, is going to dissent? The proposition is preposterous. Farage is merely an apologist for Putin, we can only speculate if his motivation is founded in naivety or something more nefarious . 'Merely an apologist'? Is this the way you explain away anyone that thinks there may be some culpability on both sides? Even if it's 80/20%. We may as well live in Russia if that is the case, because they suppress freedom of speech. Actually, Zelensky does the same. Unlike many wars there is zero culpbability on one side and 100% on the other
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jun 23, 2024 19:08:58 GMT
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Post by Veritas on Jun 23, 2024 19:32:07 GMT
'Merely an apologist'? Is this the way you explain away anyone that thinks there may be some culpability on both sides? Even if it's 80/20%. We may as well live in Russia if that is the case, because they suppress freedom of speech. Actually, Zelensky does the same. Unlike many wars there is zero culpbability on one side and 100% on the other Firstly I hope anyone who has ever read any of my posts knows I am virulently anti Putin but unfortunately nothing is ever 100%. Crimea is almost exclusively Russian speaking, after the brutal explusion of the Crimea Tartars, and the Russian Black Sea Fleet is based there. Whoever thought any Russian leader, never mind an ultra nationalist/fascist like Putin, would accept Ukraine moving into the US sphere of influence needed their head looking. Unfortunately that is exactly what our politicians did and as much as it pains me to say it there is some truth in what Farage is saying. Of course he is coming from a Trumpian anti EU & NATO position but that doesn't mean he is 100% wrong all of the time. Once Putin had made the, unopposed by the West, move on Crimea his defence of "oppressed" Russian speakers in the rest of Ukraine was a matter of when not if. And to be completely accurate there had been some moves by the Ukrainian government to downgrade the status of Russian as an official language. None of this excuses Putin's brutality but explaining and excusing are two completely different things.
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Post by LDE76 on Jun 23, 2024 20:56:33 GMT
Ukraine has apparently hit the Russian space tracking and comms centre in Crimea. It's home to this, so if that's been taken out the shield may now be down on Russia's new Death Star.
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Post by mtrstudent on Jun 24, 2024 5:13:22 GMT
Beautiful view of 8 ATACMS launching.
Wonder what that space communications thing they blew up was doing.
(On honeymoon so posting is gonna be at random times)
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Post by mtrstudent on Jun 24, 2024 5:18:16 GMT
Ukraine's defenders are exhausted and being pushed back in a lot of places right now.
Russian casualties are sky high and they've used up an absolute ton of the equipment they'd prepared. Ukrainian reinforcements should start arriving soon, so long as the lines don't crack my guess is that will stabilise things.
There's a road running north-south that Russia are closing in on. If they cut it then the south of Donetsk oblast will be very vulnerable and they might be able to conquer it.
Big questions: - will we send the equipment to stop Russia's glide bombing campaign? - will there be a big new change, like new drone tech or Chinese involvement? - how many casualties did each side take? - will Russia overextend again because they're so close to a goal? That would open space for Ukrainian counterattacks maybe August-October.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jun 24, 2024 6:56:06 GMT
Thoughts with those affected by the terrorist attack in Dagestan, I’m only just seeing the detail but looks like 20 dead at the moment including some from the local synagogue and Orthodox Christian church…..
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Post by questionable on Jun 24, 2024 10:41:59 GMT
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Post by questionable on Jun 24, 2024 10:46:06 GMT
Ukraine's defenders are exhausted and being pushed back in a lot of places right now. Russian casualties are sky high and they've used up an absolute ton of the equipment they'd prepared. Ukrainian reinforcements should start arriving soon, so long as the lines don't crack my guess is that will stabilise things. There's a road running north-south that Russia are closing in on. If they cut it then the south of Donetsk oblast will be very vulnerable and they might be able to conquer it. Big questions: - will we send the equipment to stop Russia's glide bombing campaign? - will there be a big new change, like new drone tech or Chinese involvement? - how many casualties did each side take? - will Russia overextend again because they're so close to a goal? That would open space for Ukrainian counterattacks maybe August-October. I’m reading that in places Ukraine are actually gaining ground and recapturing lost positions, the front is enormous and just wait til the F16’s enter, should be fun
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2024 13:52:23 GMT
Unlike many wars there is zero culpbability on one side and 100% on the other Firstly I hope anyone who has ever read any of my posts knows I am virulently anti Putin but unfortunately nothing is ever 100%. Crimea is almost exclusively Russian speaking, after the brutal explusion of the Crimea Tartars, and the Russian Black Sea Fleet is based there. Whoever thought any Russian leader, never mind an ultra nationalist/fascist like Putin, would accept Ukraine moving into the US sphere of influence needed their head looking. Unfortunately that is exactly what our politicians did and as much as it pains me to say it there is some truth in what Farage is saying. Of course he is coming from a Trumpian anti EU & NATO position but that doesn't mean he is 100% wrong all of the time. Once Putin had made the, unopposed by the West, move on Crimea his defence of "oppressed" Russian speakers in the rest of Ukraine was a matter of when not if. And to be completely accurate there had been some moves by the Ukrainian government to downgrade the status of Russian as an official language. None of this excuses Putin's brutality but explaining and excusing are two completely different things. The funny thing about the Trump/Farage position is that they would supposedly scream blue murder if their country’s sovereignty was threatened by an outside force. I wonder if they would levy the same bit of nuance if it was the US/UK being invaded by Mexico or France. Parts of Florida and Texas have a massive Mexican population. They should have the right to tear down the States and join Mexico.
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Post by Veritas on Jun 24, 2024 14:43:06 GMT
Firstly I hope anyone who has ever read any of my posts knows I am virulently anti Putin but unfortunately nothing is ever 100%. Crimea is almost exclusively Russian speaking, after the brutal explusion of the Crimea Tartars, and the Russian Black Sea Fleet is based there. Whoever thought any Russian leader, never mind an ultra nationalist/fascist like Putin, would accept Ukraine moving into the US sphere of influence needed their head looking. Unfortunately that is exactly what our politicians did and as much as it pains me to say it there is some truth in what Farage is saying. Of course he is coming from a Trumpian anti EU & NATO position but that doesn't mean he is 100% wrong all of the time. Once Putin had made the, unopposed by the West, move on Crimea his defence of "oppressed" Russian speakers in the rest of Ukraine was a matter of when not if. And to be completely accurate there had been some moves by the Ukrainian government to downgrade the status of Russian as an official language. None of this excuses Putin's brutality but explaining and excusing are two completely different things. The funny thing about the Trump/Farage position is that they would supposedly scream blue murder if their country’s sovereignty was threatened by an outside force. I wonder if they would levy the same bit of nuance if it was the US/UK being invaded by Mexico or France. Parts of Florida and Texas have a massive Mexican population. They should have the right to tear down the States and join Mexico. Rejoin Mexico you mean!
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Post by mtrstudent on Jun 24, 2024 19:50:17 GMT
Ukraine's defenders are exhausted and being pushed back in a lot of places right now. Russian casualties are sky high and they've used up an absolute ton of the equipment they'd prepared. Ukrainian reinforcements should start arriving soon, so long as the lines don't crack my guess is that will stabilise things. There's a road running north-south that Russia are closing in on. If they cut it then the south of Donetsk oblast will be very vulnerable and they might be able to conquer it. Big questions: - will we send the equipment to stop Russia's glide bombing campaign? - will there be a big new change, like new drone tech or Chinese involvement? - how many casualties did each side take? - will Russia overextend again because they're so close to a goal? That would open space for Ukrainian counterattacks maybe August-October. I’m reading that in places Ukraine are actually gaining ground and recapturing lost positions, the front is enormous and just wait til the F16’s enter, should be fun The frontline lads (and some ladies) are fighting like titans. Pushing the russians back in Kharkiv but elsewhere it seems to just be small counterattacks. But overall Russia has been advancing more than they're being pushed back. I think it's largely from being starved of ammo for six months. Loads of Ukrainians got needlessly killed and loads of russians got to survive. The Ukrainians seem to be giving small amounts of ground to save lives, which sounds like the right thing. Meanwhile Russia is throwing lives away like crazy. The ammo is coming and Ukraine mobilised last month so help is on the way 🤞
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Post by mtrstudent on Jun 24, 2024 19:53:22 GMT
Questionable mentioned Ukraine advancing in some places, here's one! They appear to have liberated a village near Kharkiv that fell last month when Russia crosses the border.
There are *lots* of dead russians (not in that pic but other videos) and 3 ancient T-62s knocked out.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Jun 24, 2024 20:09:32 GMT
Russians crying about ATACMs hitting Crimea, the fuckin hypocrisy. Should have been doing this from the get go together with drone attacks on government and military targets in Moscow
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Post by mtrstudent on Jun 24, 2024 20:19:19 GMT
Russians crying about ATACMs hitting Crimea, the fuckin hypocrisy. Should have been doing this from the get go together with drone attacks on government and military targets in Moscow Btw mate I went through some of our old chats and think you were totally right to be pushing for more aid quicker. I still believe there were reasons to do some things slowly. I think the handling of russian gas was done about as quickly as it could, but a lot of the rest was way too slow. They should have just put you in charge back in 2022!
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Post by mtrstudent on Jun 24, 2024 20:21:40 GMT
A Ukrainian major went public about this general destroying morale by wasting lives and using political power to suppress complaints.
In russia the major would have been disappeared but it seems Ukrainian command listened and removed the general.
The soldiers who are posting about it seem happy. If it's all true then what a disgrace it took so long.
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Post by longdistancekiddie on Jun 24, 2024 22:36:10 GMT
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Post by gawa on Jun 26, 2024 14:53:50 GMT
Led by donkeys
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Post by mtrstudent on Jun 26, 2024 20:57:46 GMT
Now this is one of those boring technical things the media hates. But it matters.
Russia is taking on some debt and they're seen as so risky they effectively have to pay 15.4% interest. This time last year it was 10.9%.
Imagine if your mortgage went up by 4.5% in a year.
Putin's doing the equivalent of taking out every credit card he can find to rent lambos and buy rounds for the hot girls at the bar. But he can see the debt collectors on the horizon so he's desperate for trump to come bail him out.
Compare russia's 15.4% with Germany's 2.5%, Greece's 3.6% or the UK's 4.2%.
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Post by LDE76 on Jun 26, 2024 21:10:01 GMT
Now this is one of those boring technical things the media hates. But it matters. Russia is taking on some debt and they're seen as so risky they effectively have to pay 15.4% interest. This time last year it was 10.9%. Imagine if your mortgage went up by 4.5% in a year. Putin's doing the equivalent of taking out every credit card he can find to rent lambos and buy rounds for the hot girls at the bar. But he can see the debt collectors on the horizon so he's desperate for trump to come bail him out. Compare russia's 15.4% with Germany's 2.5%, Greece's 3.6% or the UK's 4.2%. Can't wait to see him on Can't Pay? We'll Take it Away!"And the Faberge egg in your underpants..."
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 26, 2024 21:40:55 GMT
Now this is one of those boring technical things the media hates. But it matters. Russia is taking on some debt and they're seen as so risky they effectively have to pay 15.4% interest. This time last year it was 10.9%. Imagine if your mortgage went up by 4.5% in a year. Putin's doing the equivalent of taking out every credit card he can find to rent lambos and buy rounds for the hot girls at the bar. But he can see the debt collectors on the horizon so he's desperate for trump to come bail him out. Compare russia's 15.4% with Germany's 2.5%, Greece's 3.6% or the UK's 4.2%. Ours being worse than Greece is sobering. Another Brexit benefit?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2024 21:50:44 GMT
Is it real? The foreign secretary giving away information to prank callers seems like a massive issue for national security.
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Post by lordb on Jun 26, 2024 21:52:05 GMT
Now this is one of those boring technical things the media hates. But it matters. Russia is taking on some debt and they're seen as so risky they effectively have to pay 15.4% interest. This time last year it was 10.9%. Imagine if your mortgage went up by 4.5% in a year. Putin's doing the equivalent of taking out every credit card he can find to rent lambos and buy rounds for the hot girls at the bar. But he can see the debt collectors on the horizon so he's desperate for trump to come bail him out. Compare russia's 15.4% with Germany's 2.5%, Greece's 3.6% or the UK's 4.2%. Ours being worse than Greece is sobering. Another Brexit benefit? You'd have to compare pre Brexit figures
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Post by mtrstudent on Jun 26, 2024 22:00:04 GMT
Ours being worse than Greece is sobering. Another Brexit benefit? You'd have to compare pre Brexit figures A bit off topic but I think there's more going on with Greece than just Brexit? Lots of moving parts in the economy so I always feel a bit nervous pointing the finger at one thing. But mid 2016 example numbers were Greece ~7.4%, Italy 1.3%, France 0.1% and the UK 0.7%. Now we're paying plenty more than all of them. So something changed.
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Post by mtrstudent on Jun 26, 2024 22:04:20 GMT
Russian recovery yard. Seen these from satellite before, all over the place. Russia recovers some absolute junk, are they gonna try and fix it?
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Post by mtrstudent on Jun 26, 2024 22:06:22 GMT
Always nice to see russian ammo exploding unused!
Cool example of how the sources I like work. Footage from the ground backed up by satellite images. You can tell it's probably ammo from the constant secondary explosions in the video.
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Post by gawa on Jun 26, 2024 22:33:48 GMT
Is it real? The foreign secretary giving away information to prank callers seems like a massive issue for national security. It's in the daily mail today and bbc also reported it happening a couple weeks ago. www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/crggxy2pe1eo
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Post by mtrstudent on Jun 28, 2024 4:20:16 GMT
Forbes: "The Russians May Have Lost An Entire Airborne Brigade In Vovchansk Russia’s Victory Day offensive is turning into a bloodbath ... for Russian troops." The author's maybe a bit blinded by his pro-Ukraine stance, or maybe it's to do with the word count. But this is part of what's going on in north Kharkiv Oblast where Russia re-invaded in early May. It's amazing to me that we have real time updates from social media accounts on both sides. An elite russian unit definitely got messed up. It looks like they ran into a buzzsaw within the first rows of houses after the border.
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Post by mtrstudent on Jun 28, 2024 7:26:34 GMT
Most "official" western and Ukrainian sources say that Russia is recruiting 20-30,000 men per month and recently losing about 30,000 a month. "Losing" includes dead, captured, missing and seriously wounded.
I don't know if that's true, some independent researchers think both numbers are smaller.
If this keeps up then obviously the russian army won't be growing because they're losing people as quickly as they get them. And they're using up the ones who'd volunteer first so it'll get more expensive in future.
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Post by mtrstudent on Jun 28, 2024 10:38:54 GMT
Nowadays this is what "proof" of a "shootdown" looks like. Can anyone tell if the plane actually went down in that?
I think Ukraine overcounts the number of jets shot down.
Hard to tell on my screen and also I'm drunk right now.
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