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Post by wannabee on Mar 12, 2024 23:04:51 GMT
"On March 10, local time, Hungarian Prime Minister Orban, who had just met with former US President Trump, was interviewed by Hungary's MAN1 television station (national television One), and he revealed that Trump had a very detailed plan for how to end the Russia-Ukraine conflict. While Mr. Orban said he was not at a position to talk about the substance of the plans, he added that Mr. Trump's plan on how to end the Russian-Ukrainian conflict "in many ways coincides with the Hungarian plan," TASS reported, citing the interview. According to the Hungarian National newspaper (Magyar Nemzet), Orban also said that Trump will not contribute a penny to the conflict between Russia and Ukraine, which is why the conflict will end. "It is clear that Ukraine cannot stand on its own feet. If the Americans don't supply arms and money, and the Europeans don't either, the conflict will end. If the Americans don't pay, then the Europeans themselves won't be able to finance the conflict, and the conflict will end." He pointed out that Trump is not the president of the United States, but when Democrats want money to fund the conflict with Russia, his party will block it." Europe can easily fund and produce enough to defeat Russia. It's a question of politics.
A Trump win in November will herald a very, very dark age and Europe will have to stand strong. The darkest that democracy has faced since the 1930s and 1940s. I'll reply to a number of your posts Completely agree but will they do so is a very different question. Russia Economy has been placed on a War Footing. Europe doesn't need to do so just step up to the plate individually and collectively. EU GDP ex UK is 10 times Russia On average Russia Oil Sales to China and India are about 30% above CAP at $80. Much of it comes back to EU and UK Russia GDP grew 3% in 2023 much higher than EU and UK. EU and UK citizens are disgruntled about Economy The average Russian is unaffected Economically by War and only if your family member has been sent to meat grinder. Not that anyone is likely to complain very much. EU and UK Governments are under pressure Politically to revive static Economies, do they have the courage to increase Defence Budget European Boots on the ground are not the answer EU and UK Supporting Ukraine Militarily is sufficient to turn the tide of the War, which is not looking good at the moment Does EU and UK have the infrastructure to gear up to support Ukraine, I'm not too sure, but if the will is there it doesn't mean it can't. Trump is a distraction. If EU and UK don't recognise Russia as an existential threat to Peace in Europe then its down to them
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 12, 2024 23:08:29 GMT
Somebody needs to real this dickhead in ...
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Post by scfcno1fan on Mar 13, 2024 7:23:32 GMT
France surely can’t go rogue and send troops in?
Not enough countries would back them up.
It would be suicide for the country.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 13, 2024 7:52:34 GMT
Ukraine attacking more Russian oil refineries with reverse engineered Shaheds🤣🤣
Hopefully we will see an escalation of Russia getting bombed.
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Post by lordb on Mar 13, 2024 7:52:38 GMT
If France do go in, perhaps jets first, the key is what does Putin do?
Russia doesn't look in any state to ramp up the war Is he really going to resort to Nuclear weapons?
Fucking huge risk mind
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 13, 2024 7:57:43 GMT
This France talk seems very fanciful. Macron is trying to look strong at a moment where America looks weak and is backing Ukraine and is showing Russia that it’s supposed red lines are what they are - fucking hilarious.
Russia militarily is a joke and should be treated as such. We need to give Ukraine everything we have to destroy them.
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Post by thisisouryear on Mar 13, 2024 8:13:19 GMT
France surely can’t go rogue and send troops in? Not enough countries would back them up. It would be suicide for the country. There is no way we would stand back and let France go in alone, it would bring the war too close to us so we would likely join them. I think countries will now be thinking that Russia needs to lose before Trump gets in
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Post by wagsastokie on Mar 13, 2024 8:28:21 GMT
Somebody needs to real this dickhead in ... I heard Paris road tunnels are good at getting rid of unwanted pests
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 13, 2024 8:51:01 GMT
There’s a lot of fretting over not much tbh.
He will probably announce some shells, SCALP’s and if Ukraine is lucky some fighter jets.
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Post by lordb on Mar 13, 2024 8:58:45 GMT
There’s a lot of fretting over not much tbh. He will probably announce some shells, SCALP’s and if Ukraine is lucky some fighter jets. Jets would be a hugely important development
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 13, 2024 9:01:28 GMT
There’s a lot of fretting over not much tbh. He will probably announce some shells, SCALP’s and if Ukraine is lucky some fighter jets. Jets would be a hugely important development Can’t see it happening though nevermind French soldiers on the ground. Hence why the last page of stuff is a bit bewildering to me. The annoying thing here being they should already have western jets in service.
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Post by dirtclod on Mar 13, 2024 12:17:38 GMT
Yes, expecting Ukraine to sustain an offensive without air cover is ludicrous. I remain embarrassed for this US "government" for this and 1000 other reasons. The one chance to irreparably damage Russia's, military, economy and government by proxy while defending a country who didn't do anything to deserve invasion and the idiots can't see it.
A golden opportunity to drop Putin, the neighborhood bully off in a rough neighborhood where he can be dealt with properly and permanently. Would like to see him take a cruise missile up his left nostril.
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Post by mtrstudent on Mar 13, 2024 15:00:56 GMT
The russians have massively improved their ability to shoot behind Ukrainian lines.
There have been bad Ukrainian losses, like these helicopters, shown regularly.
Republicans cutting off aid has really hurt - Ukraine is running low on a lot of important tech and ammo including anti air.
Obviously the republicans want as many dead Ukrainians as possible so that Putin can win and conquer more of the country.
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Post by mtrstudent on Mar 13, 2024 15:08:27 GMT
Ukraine's politicians have been pussyfooting around mobilisation. New soldiers are needed so frontline troops can rest.
Apparently this is why Zelenskyy fired Zaluzhnyi.
There's a huge risk that the politicians being idiots will let Russia take advantage of the opening they were given by North Korea and US republicans, and the Ukrainian army could crack and allow a big russian advance before ammo and reinforcements arrive.
So many moving parts and a horrible fog of war.
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Post by mtrstudent on Mar 13, 2024 15:11:45 GMT
When republican propaganda says they're cutting aid to Ukraine to get "peace", know they're full of shit. They want the genocidal dictator to win and they don't give a shit about democracy.
They would have abandoned us to Hitler if they were in power in 1939/40.
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Post by wagsastokie on Mar 13, 2024 17:47:27 GMT
When republican propaganda says they're cutting aid to Ukraine to get "peace", know they're full of shit. They want the genocidal dictator to win and they don't give a shit about democracy. They would have abandoned us to Hitler if they were in power in 1939/40. They did It was only the bombing of pearl harbour that got them off there arse
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Mar 13, 2024 18:06:40 GMT
Ukraine's politicians have been pussyfooting around mobilisation. New soldiers are needed so frontline troops can rest. Apparently this is why Zelenskyy fired Zaluzhnyi. There's a huge risk that the politicians being idiots will let Russia take advantage of the opening they were given by North Korea and US republicans, and the Ukrainian army could crack and allow a big russian advance before ammo and reinforcements arrive. So many moving parts and a horrible fog of war. The FT is just about the only national newspaper worth reading these days, and this is a good example of why.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 14, 2024 16:48:37 GMT
Has Macron invaded Ukraine yet?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 14, 2024 17:48:43 GMT
Has Macron invaded Ukraine yet? His speech isn't until 8pm Paris time, Le Monde is suggesting that he's going to announce that he's sending troops unilaterally into Odessa. Of course, ultimately, he probably won't but you can't simply dismiss the leader of a sitting nuclear member of the Security Council, using rhetoric that undermines NATO. The man's an utter dickhead.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 14, 2024 20:34:01 GMT
What he’s said is spot on.
Threaten Russia. It’s what they need.
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Post by staffordstokiemad1 on Mar 14, 2024 21:29:19 GMT
Macron the first leader since Boris to have some balls and say it how it is, I’m sick to death of leaders pussy footing around Putin. Putins army is weak, poorly and under equipped and would last about a week against NATO. It’s time countries leaders stopped being scared to speak up against him.
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Post by musik on Mar 14, 2024 21:38:33 GMT
Is it a full scale civil war in Russia yet?
I got the news early today it had begun this morning, but I've been to work and haven't been able to follow it exactly. A two front war according to the initial reports. Initiated by a nazi right wing group consisting of both Ukraine and Russian citizens. They have occupied one smaller Russian town and some other areas. Is this false or true? Just desinformation or propaganda?
Just got home.
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Post by staffordstokiemad1 on Mar 14, 2024 21:44:20 GMT
Is it a full scale civil war in Russia yet? I got the news early today it had begun this morning, but I've been to work and haven't been able to follow it exactly. A two front war according to the initial reports. Initiated by a nazi right wing group consisting of both Ukraine and Russian citizens. They have occupied one smaller Russian town and some other areas. Is this false or true? Just desinformation or propaganda? Just got home. From what I have seen so far it’s the Siberia Battalion and a Battalion of Russian Volunteers opposed to Putin (Russian Freedom Fighters) they have engaged in fighting in the Bilhorod and Kursk region.
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Post by musik on Mar 14, 2024 21:52:16 GMT
Is it a full scale civil war in Russia yet? I got the news early today it had begun this morning, but I've been to work and haven't been able to follow it exactly. A two front war according to the initial reports. Initiated by a nazi right wing group consisting of both Ukraine and Russian citizens. They have occupied one smaller Russian town and some other areas. Is this false or true? Just desinformation or propaganda? Just got home. From what I have seen so far it’s the Siberia Battalion and a Battalion of Russian Volunteers opposed to Putin (Russian Freedom Fighters) they have engaged in fighting in the Bilhorod and Kursk region. Ok, this might be the beginning of what my mate has said all along, a civil war is coming up in Russia sooner or later, and he's not a bit worried about a large scale war in Europe.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 14, 2024 22:00:38 GMT
The only way a bully learns is if you punch them in the face.
Being weak lead us to this. Macron’s words will hopefully hit home with other European leaders namely Scholz.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 14, 2024 22:39:30 GMT
What he’s said is spot on. Threaten Russia. It’s what they need. What he said, isn't spot on at all. Claiming that he alone is in charge of National Security, are the words of warmongering dictator. When it comes to his country's security, first and foremost, France is a part of NATO and until that ends, he needs to shut the fuck up with all his unilateral posturing. If he's really that brave, then he can pull France out of NATO and then send troops onto the Ukrainian battlefields. Otherwise France will become a valid military target for Russia and Macron will have dragged all the other NATO countries into a war with Russia. And we all know how that ends. Mutually Assured Destruction, has, for 80 years, ensured that there hasn't been a World War III and now we've got some little jumped up prick, thinking he can dictate the West's military agenda ... well he's very much mistaken. What if every other member of NATO decided that they too were going to act independently as and when they saw fit? The alliance would completely collapse and the world would become a much more dangerous place to inhabit. Hopefully he will be removed, the sooner the better.
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Post by questionable on Mar 14, 2024 22:42:39 GMT
All Russian diplomats need to be expelled.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 14, 2024 23:03:21 GMT
What he’s said is spot on. Threaten Russia. It’s what they need. What he said, isn't spot on at all. Claiming that he alone is in charge of National Security, are the words of warmongering dictator. When it comes to his country's security, first and foremost, France is a part of NATO and until that ends, he needs to shut the fuck up with all his unilateral posturing. If he's really that brave, then he can pull France out of NATO and then send troops onto the Ukrainian battlefields. Otherwise France will become a valid military target for Russia and Macron will have dragged all the other NATO countries into a war with Russia. And we all know how that ends. Mutually Assured Destruction, has, for 80 years, ensured that there hasn't been a World War III and now we've got some little jumped up prick, thinking he can dictate the West's military agenda ... well he's very much mistaken. What if every other member of NATO decided that they too were going to act independently as and when they saw fit? The alliance would completely collapse and the world would become a much more dangerous place to inhabit. Hopefully he will be removed, the sooner the better. I don’t think this goes against NATO at all. He’s standing up to idle threats from a weak nation. It’s what is needed. He is speaking as a leader of a European country which he has every right to do. There’s absolutely nothing contentious about what he has said. Russia won’t attack France, they can’t beat Ukraine nevermind France 🤣 NATO countries can act independently too (see Iraq).
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Post by mtrstudent on Mar 14, 2024 23:03:40 GMT
Amazing video.
Bad news that Ukraine now relies on their Bradleys for defence. Shows how low they are on shells, missiles and drones. :/
The russians have advanced about ~3 km in 5 months here. Videos show almost 700 lost russian tanks and armoured vehicles, versus ~70 for Ukraine in this part of the front.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 14, 2024 23:05:24 GMT
Amazing video. Bad news that Ukraine now relies on their Bradleys for defence. Shows how low they are on shells, missiles and drones. :/ The russians have advanced about ~3 km in 5 months here. Videos show almost 700 lost russian tanks and armoured vehicles, versus ~70 for Ukraine in this part of the front. Bradley’s seem really bad ass? And favoured by the Ukranians alongside the Challenger 2s?
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