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Post by wakefieldstokie on Nov 1, 2021 13:23:41 GMT
There’s some masters of hindsight on this thread. “Game Management” “No Plan B” Football manager has got a lot to answer for. We got undone by another daft mistake from a young goalkeeper and the left back making a silly pass which played them in for the second. I fail to see what the bloke watching on the side lines can do about that? Other than to drop them again and get pelters when the replacements also fuck up. Did you not watch last season or the last 3 games? People aren't basing his piss poor in game management on one game.
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Nov 1, 2021 13:29:10 GMT
Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 1, 2021 13:29:10 GMT
There’s some masters of hindsight on this thread. “Game Management” “No Plan B” Football manager has got a lot to answer for. We got undone by another daft mistake from a young goalkeeper and the left back making a silly pass which played them in for the second. I fail to see what the bloke watching on the side lines can do about that? Other than to drop them again and get pelters when the replacements also fuck up. What has football manager got to do with some basics of football? His in game management is appalling and it's not just computer game thing, his subs are often too late and have no positive impact. That's in game maangement. Cardiff had been getting in behind all game and he did nothing to counter it. It was very strange.
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Post by mickstupp on Nov 1, 2021 14:03:22 GMT
There’s some masters of hindsight on this thread. “Game Management” “No Plan B” Football manager has got a lot to answer for. We got undone by another daft mistake from a young goalkeeper and the left back making a silly pass which played them in for the second. I fail to see what the bloke watching on the side lines can do about that? Other than to drop them again and get pelters when the replacements also fuck up. What has football manager got to do with some basics of football? His in game management is appalling and it's not just computer game thing, his subs are often too late and have no positive impact. That's in game maangement. Cardiff had been getting in behind all game and he did nothing to counter it. It was very strange. No, it’s you being wise after the event.
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Nov 1, 2021 14:06:34 GMT
Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 1, 2021 14:06:34 GMT
What has football manager got to do with some basics of football? His in game management is appalling and it's not just computer game thing, his subs are often too late and have no positive impact. That's in game maangement. Cardiff had been getting in behind all game and he did nothing to counter it. It was very strange. No, it’s you being wise after the event. It really isn't. Like with most of the times he's dithering there's always comments on here wanting him to change or there's always shouts at the game. Now I didn't think we'd fuck a 3 goal lead up but I did think we were lucky to not concede a couple in that first half and that needed changing.
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Nov 1, 2021 14:08:13 GMT
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Post by mickstupp on Nov 1, 2021 14:08:13 GMT
There’s some masters of hindsight on this thread. “Game Management” “No Plan B” Football manager has got a lot to answer for. We got undone by another daft mistake from a young goalkeeper and the left back making a silly pass which played them in for the second. I fail to see what the bloke watching on the side lines can do about that? Other than to drop them again and get pelters when the replacements also fuck up. Did you not watch last season or the last 3 games? People aren't basing his piss poor in game management on one game. Not really no. I watched highlights and bits of games on the TV just like everyone else did. Injuries wrecked us last season and we simply don’t have the correct type of players in key areas to make a serious challenge this year. I’m surprised people are surprised in all honesty?
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Post by cheadlestokie on Nov 1, 2021 14:11:56 GMT
I like The Manager but have to say that his two forward subs made at the same time on Saturday were surprising to say the least. What needed to be done did not involve the front two. I could understand the Fletcher sub as he is only now starting to play a few games, but Brown did not need to be replaced. We were 3-0 up and it was clear we were not managing the game correctly. Wilmott went on a 50 yard run.It looked very good at the time but clearly wasn't needed when we should have been concentrating on the shape of the team and passing a very passive Cardiff to death. It was just indicative of the lack of thought given to seeing the game out from a very comfortable place. Simply keeping our shape and passing through the pitch was likely to have given us further chances without taking any risks defensively. This is not an afterthought as it was clear from before they scored their first and we had enough experienced players on the pitch to make sure what was needed. After all if Chester is not controlling the back three and how we play defensively with his experience what is he on the pitch for. All I saw was Fletcher trying to tell our defenders to calm down but no one else seemed to be trying to take control.
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Nov 1, 2021 14:13:01 GMT
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Post by mickstupp on Nov 1, 2021 14:13:01 GMT
No, it’s you being wise after the event. It really isn't. Like with most of the times he's dithering there's always comments on here wanting him to change or there's always shouts at the game. Now I didn't think we'd fuck a 3 goal lead up but I did think we were lucky to not concede a couple in that first half and that needed changing. It was catastrophic, I’ve never seen the like in all of my years watching the club. It demonstrated an extremely concerning weak mentality amongst the players more than anything else. I’m not sure who to blame for that, but once that second went in it was blatantly obvious to me that a third was quickly going to follow. We’ve assembled a squad of bottlers, or in cricket parlance “flat track bullies”.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Nov 1, 2021 14:30:25 GMT
It really isn't. Like with most of the times he's dithering there's always comments on here wanting him to change or there's always shouts at the game. Now I didn't think we'd fuck a 3 goal lead up but I did think we were lucky to not concede a couple in that first half and that needed changing. It was catastrophic, I’ve never seen the like in all of my years watching the club. It demonstrated an extremely concerning weak mentality amongst the players more than anything else. I’m not sure who to blame for that, but once that second went in it was blatantly obvious to me that a third was quickly going to follow. We’ve assembled a squad of bottlers, or in cricket parlance “flat track bullies”. Quick goals shouldn't surprise anyone. We've done it throughout the season. 2 in 3 minutes at Derby 2 in 3 minutes at Sheff Utd 2 in 10 minutes at Millwall 3 in 5 minutes v Cardiff It's a sorry state of affairs and shows just how fragile we are. We simply lack resilience throughout the team.
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Nov 1, 2021 14:33:36 GMT
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Post by gingerninja on Nov 1, 2021 14:33:36 GMT
Well we are stuck with the personnel until at least January, so we should get used to this unless we go ultra defensive. That would be a shame because we are playing some really enjoyable football this season.
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Nov 1, 2021 14:50:29 GMT
Post by blackpoolred on Nov 1, 2021 14:50:29 GMT
There’s some masters of hindsight on this thread. “Game Management” “No Plan B” Football manager has got a lot to answer for. We got undone by another daft mistake from a young goalkeeper and the left back making a silly pass which played them in for the second. I fail to see what the bloke watching on the side lines can do about that? Other than to drop them again and get pelters when the replacements also fuck up. If you bring in quality then you tend to have less mistakes, not the first time that left-back has made a stray back-pass. That said the quality of player coming into the club is hardly the manager's fault - for one reason or another the transfer team are failing miserably again. MON did say at the end of last year that we need to bring quality in and not just quality but also quality at peak age(sitting too many players in the squad at a young age or in their 30's) - he got nothing along those lines - they are not just poor in the transfer market but the loan market also - they do seem to be good at getting rid of players though The 3rd goal was more worrying to me because that is not the first time a player has got to the touch-line put a ball into our penalty area and the opposing player has had a tap in with nobody within a mile of them. That has to be something they talk about in training, maybe they are playing for an off-side, which is kind of pointless when the opposing player, crossing the ball, gets to the touch-line or doing some kind of zonal marking. Either way we had a player in front and behind of Moore for their 3rd goal and then they just stopped running and tracking him - stayed put holding some sort of line - Moore carried on with his forward run and was in miles of space - as stated, this is not the first time this has happened in the last few games. I like our manager and we must give him time, he is managing a squad of players that have struggled for the last 2 years and have been bottom half, we did very little pre-season in the transfer market to improve that squad and lost an awful lot of players going out - he needs backing now if possible and starting from the next window. Our owners are good at balancing books but are hopeless at the football side of things and maybe things need to change behind the scenes before we axe what looks like a decent find in MON.
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Post by questionable on Nov 1, 2021 14:50:30 GMT
Well we are stuck with the personnel until at least January, so we should get used to this unless we go ultra defensive. That would be a shame because we are playing some really enjoyable football this season. In truth we keep saying wait until the next transfer window, wait until it’s his team, get rid of the bad eggs, FFP. I’m sick of hearing it, he’s had time and they’re his players, in truth he doesn’t know his arse from his elbow.
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Nov 1, 2021 15:12:09 GMT
Post by robwahlmann on Nov 1, 2021 15:12:09 GMT
You could of course critisize NON for making mistakes, but still I feel we have improved a lot since his arrival. I also think we have progressed every season so far under his guidence. We have been a bit unlucky with injuries though, as losing Campbell last season and Powell this season. When fit and on top of their game they are our best players. Despite of this I think this is not an excuse for surrendering so easily in 3 of our last 4 games. The players need to take the blame for that, but as I said to my eldest son during our last game, "Why do we keep such a high line being 3-0 up?" I really couldn't understand it, as this was the reason why they created anything at all! You could also see the same in the first 5-6 minutes of the game when they got into the space behind our defence. Why didn't we lower our line and go for counter attcks? Then there would have been a lot of space for players like Campbell, Brown or Sima to run into. The changes came too late though, and our soft underbelly had been exposed again.
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Nov 1, 2021 15:33:46 GMT
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Post by a on Nov 1, 2021 15:33:46 GMT
Lots want MON out, not many can come up with a viable replacement. Wilder could be a great option, if not then MON stays. It's not our job to come up with viable replacements though is it? That's the job of the billionaire shareholders, CEO and Analyst(s) that are employed - as has been said a million times before, they would'nt put up with MON's performance if he was a manager within Bet365, so why are they so much more lenient when it comes to SCFC? Either they have some ambition or SCFC is just a billionaire's plaything No, true. I suppose we can all say “sack him and do it soon then get someone in better” … without a thought for who.
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Nov 1, 2021 15:35:08 GMT
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Post by a on Nov 1, 2021 15:35:08 GMT
Lots want MON out, not many can come up with a viable replacement. Wilder could be a great option, if not then MON stays. A proper continental manager. Same as what brentford, watford and Norwich had last year That narrows it down 😂
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Nov 1, 2021 15:43:30 GMT
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Post by a on Nov 1, 2021 15:43:30 GMT
Eddie Howe, Chris Wilder, Chris Hughton, Frank Lampard, Steve Bruce…
Lots of British managers out there. Can’t see the owners looking abroad.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 1, 2021 15:44:06 GMT
It really isn't. Like with most of the times he's dithering there's always comments on here wanting him to change or there's always shouts at the game. Now I didn't think we'd fuck a 3 goal lead up but I did think we were lucky to not concede a couple in that first half and that needed changing. It was catastrophic, I’ve never seen the like in all of my years watching the club. It demonstrated an extremely concerning weak mentality amongst the players more than anything else. I’m not sure who to blame for that, but once that second went in it was blatantly obvious to me that a third was quickly going to follow. We’ve assembled a squad of bottlers, or in cricket parlance “flat track bullies”. A goal was coming though and the manager did nothing to try and stop that. His in game management is none existent. It’s painful.
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Post by a on Nov 1, 2021 18:52:40 GMT
It was catastrophic, I’ve never seen the like in all of my years watching the club. It demonstrated an extremely concerning weak mentality amongst the players more than anything else. I’m not sure who to blame for that, but once that second went in it was blatantly obvious to me that a third was quickly going to follow. We’ve assembled a squad of bottlers, or in cricket parlance “flat track bullies”. A goal was coming though and the manager did nothing to try and stop that. His in game management is none existent. It’s painful. You’ll never be happy no matter what happens or who is in charge. You’re the biggest moaner on this board. You revel in it. It’s strange.
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Nov 1, 2021 19:09:47 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 1, 2021 19:09:47 GMT
A goal was coming though and the manager did nothing to try and stop that. His in game management is none existent. It’s painful. You’ll never be happy no matter what happens or who is in charge. You’re the biggest moaner on this board. You revel in it. It’s strange. I do enjoy moaning. I enjoyed it when we were winning more mind. But that kind of shows why my moaning when we were winning I’d important. The issues were there then and needed working on. They were actual discussion points and not just moaning.
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Post by stokecity4eva on Nov 1, 2021 19:52:06 GMT
There’s some masters of hindsight on this thread. “Game Management” “No Plan B” Football manager has got a lot to answer for. We got undone by another daft mistake from a young goalkeeper and the left back making a silly pass which played them in for the second. I fail to see what the bloke watching on the side lines can do about that? Other than to drop them again and get pelters when the replacements also fuck up. Thats 3 games out of the last 4 that we have conceded 2 goals or more in a 5 or 10 minute period to cost us 3 points, wheres the in game management to slow things down like other teams do? Its got nothing to do with Football Manager its basic management, he had 3 strikers warming up from just after half time and yet waited until the 70th min to bring them on
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Nov 1, 2021 21:37:31 GMT
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Post by citynickscfc on Nov 1, 2021 21:37:31 GMT
Is game management the job of the manager? Jesus wept. He's a fraud. What would have you done Saturday then Jose? What about how he coached to get us 3-0 up? No good? Fluke? While I agree that MoN could be more proactive, Saturday was 1 million percent the players. Utter garbage being spouted from wannabees who never ever will be, with an agenda against MoN from the get go. I mentioned what I, and many other managers (TP most certainly after probably 1-0, certainly 2) *would have done in other threads. Feel free to read them. Cardiff don't score and they *most certainly concede... *we should have set the fucking bus. We really need to practice our bus tactics, we *are shit at keeping *a lead.
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Nov 1, 2021 21:39:36 GMT
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Post by citynickscfc on Nov 1, 2021 21:39:36 GMT
It was interesting to note MON acknowledged the issues and the solutions which are obvious for all to see. However, he never once took responsibility or acknowledged his role in fixing the problems. I noticed this too. And he never does either. We if the players themselves should mobilize and change formation or tactics. Joke really.
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Nov 1, 2021 21:42:18 GMT
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Post by citynickscfc on Nov 1, 2021 21:42:18 GMT
You could of course critisize NON for making mistakes, but still I feel we have improved a lot since his arrival. I also think we have progressed every season so far under his guidence. We have been a bit unlucky with injuries though, as losing Campbell last season and Powell this season. When fit and on top of their game they are our best players. Despite of this I think this is not an excuse for surrendering so easily in 3 of our last 4 games. The players need to take the blame for that, but as I said to my eldest son during our last game, "Why do we keep such a high line being 3-0 up?" I really couldn't understand it, as this was the reason why they created anything at all! You could also see the same in the first 5-6 minutes of the game when they got into the space behind our defence. Why didn't we lower our line and go for counter attcks? Then there would have been a lot of space for players like Campbell, Brown or Sima to run into. The changes came too late though, and our soft underbelly had been exposed again. I said the same. Dennis bloody Smith said the same... But the expert in the dugout just stood while Rome burnt. Sounds familiar.
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Nov 1, 2021 21:52:36 GMT
Post by Laughing Gravy on Nov 1, 2021 21:52:36 GMT
What would have you done Saturday then Jose? What about how he coached to get us 3-0 up? No good? Fluke? While I agree that MoN could be more proactive, Saturday was 1 million percent the players. Utter garbage being spouted from wannabees who never ever will be, with an agenda against MoN from the get go. I mentioned what I, and many other managers (TP most certainly after probably 1-0, certainly 2) in other threads. Feel free to read them. Cardiff don't score and they concede... Set the fucking bus. We really need to practice our bus tactics, were shit at keeping leads. Are you pissed? Read that post back, it's utter gibberish.
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Nov 1, 2021 21:59:22 GMT
Post by 19notbeaten72 on Nov 1, 2021 21:59:22 GMT
We could have been 2 down very early on & then when we are leading by 3 goals the warning signs were still there when they hit the post they were sending balls over our defense & catching us every time. Mon should have changed things after our third goal by leaving both forward players on & changing to a straight back four. I hold the manager responsible for this defeat & for the previous two defeats he is completely being out thought by other managers on a regular basis. He needs to get smarter or the writings on the wall i can see us getting beat in our next two away games which will make next weekend very interesting.
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Nov 1, 2021 22:00:00 GMT
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Post by citynickscfc on Nov 1, 2021 22:00:00 GMT
I mentioned what I, and many other managers (TP most certainly after probably 1-0, certainly 2) in other threads. Feel free to read them. Cardiff don't score and they concede... Set the fucking bus. We really need to practice our bus tactics, were shit at keeping leads. Are you pissed? Read that post back, it's utter gibberish. Edited the grammar just for you. It was written quickly on the loo. I still think it was relatively coherant.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Nov 1, 2021 22:01:54 GMT
We could have been 2 down very early on & then when we are leading by 3 goals the warning signs were still there when they hit the post they were sending balls over our defense & catching us every time. Mon should have changed things after our third goal by leaving both forward players on & changing to a straight back four. I hold the manager responsible for this defeat & for the previous two defeats he is completely being out thought by other managers on a regular basis. He needs to get smarter or the writings on the wall i can see us getting beat in our next two away games which will make next weekend very interesting. So we lost on Saturday did we?
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Nov 1, 2021 22:05:09 GMT
Are you pissed? Read that post back, it's utter gibberish. Edited the grammar just for you. It was written quickly on the loo. I still think it was relatively coherant. It at least makes sense now. Must have been a particularly big shit to make you go cross eyed.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Nov 1, 2021 22:05:12 GMT
We could have been 2 down very early on & then when we are leading by 3 goals the warning signs were still there when they hit the post they were sending balls over our defense & catching us every time. Mon should have changed things after our third goal by leaving both forward players on & changing to a straight back four. I hold the manager responsible for this defeat & for the previous two defeats he is completely being out thought by other managers on a regular basis. He needs to get smarter or the writings on the wall i can see us getting beat in our next two away games which will make next weekend very interesting. Absolute utter rubbish,not one person in that ground including you thought they’d come back to 3-3
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Nov 1, 2021 22:05:41 GMT
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Post by citynickscfc on Nov 1, 2021 22:05:41 GMT
We could have been 2 down very early on & then when we are leading by 3 goals the warning signs were still there when they hit the post they were sending balls over our defense & catching us every time. Mon should have changed things after our third goal by leaving both forward players on & changing to a straight back four. I hold the manager responsible for this defeat & for the previous two defeats he is completely being out thought by other managers on a regular basis. He needs to get smarter or the writings on the wall i can see us getting beat in our next two away games which will make next weekend very interesting. So we lost on Saturday did we? Pretty much. Can't see anything positive from this game at all. Confidence at an all time low, mistakes gallore, it feels like a defeat that's for sure. I'm pretty certain this will be our Vokes penalty miss from going top (even though that already happened this season, just to mirror last season exactly). We will struggle from here on. Point or no point.
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Nov 1, 2021 22:05:48 GMT
Post by 19notbeaten72 on Nov 1, 2021 22:05:48 GMT
We could have been 2 down very early on & then when we are leading by 3 goals the warning signs were still there when they hit the post they were sending balls over our defense & catching us every time. Mon should have changed things after our third goal by leaving both forward players on & changing to a straight back four. I hold the manager responsible for this defeat & for the previous two defeats he is completely being out thought by other managers on a regular basis. He needs to get smarter or the writings on the wall i can see us getting beat in our next two away games which will make next weekend very interesting. So we lost on Saturday did we? Felt like it.
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