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Post by a on Oct 30, 2021 19:52:25 GMT
We're in the same position as always. If there is a better manager available and they want the job then we make a ruthless decision. A model perfected by the scousers when they got Klopp in. Right now the only better option is Wilder (Chris, not Deontay). If Wilder wanted the job I'd very reluctantly make the switch, if not MON should stay. Lots want MON out, not many can come up with a viable replacement. Wilder could be a great option, if not then MON stays.
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Oct 30, 2021 19:54:15 GMT
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Oct 30, 2021 19:54:15 GMT
We're in the same position as always. If there is a better manager available and they want the job then we make a ruthless decision. A model perfected by the scousers when they got Klopp in. Right now the only better option is Wilder (Chris, not Deontay). If Wilder wanted the job I'd very reluctantly make the switch, if not MON should stay. Lots want MON out, not many can come up with a viable replacement. Wilder could be a great option, if not then MON stays. Correct.
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Oct 30, 2021 22:37:36 GMT
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Post by potterpaul on Oct 30, 2021 22:37:36 GMT
Said it last season when the pressure was increasing, let him see us through to summer of '22 when all contracts come to an end. Have someone in the wings ready to take over, giving them a certain amount of say on transfers in the meantime so he's not inheriting a shit squad. MON'S biggest issue has been and always will be his fixation with Allen, same as his predecessors and that won't change.
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Post by march4 on Oct 30, 2021 22:39:57 GMT
That is true, mate but something has to change. Michael O’Neill has done a great job for 50 or 60 games but we seem to be stuck in mid-table treacle since. Do we accept mid-table finishes or push for promotion. It’s a big decision. I don’t think we’re anywhere near sacking the manager yet, I’m not sure what yet another change of direction would solve? We need him to wake up for sure and his game management is absolute atrocious, but I think overall we’re still inching incrementally forward as a club. I wouldn’t throw that away, as frustrating as thr last few weeks have been. That’s a reasonable point - well made. But it accepts this season is a write off and we are hoping next season is better by which time Souttar, Campbell and Bursik will have left. I think this is the season to get promotion.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Oct 30, 2021 22:59:00 GMT
I don’t think we’re anywhere near sacking the manager yet, I’m not sure what yet another change of direction would solve? We need him to wake up for sure and his game management is absolute atrocious, but I think overall we’re still inching incrementally forward as a club. I wouldn’t throw that away, as frustrating as thr last few weeks have been. That’s a reasonable point - well made. But it accepts this season is a write off and we are hoping next season is better by which time Souttar, Campbell and Bursik will have left. I think this is the season to get promotion. Campbell and Bursik in different ways will have plenty to prove, who are you tipping to come in for them March? I take your point that the problem with all teams rebuilding is that they’re vulnerable to losing their best players but that’s always going to be the case. The expectation coming into this season should always have been slow progress and consolidation and anything more than that was a bonus. That’s not to let MON off the hook who frustratingly seems to not have learned some major lessons from last season but equally for all we’re on a worrying run I think this is a better side than last season’s.
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Oct 30, 2021 23:04:28 GMT
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Post by miltonstokienew on Oct 30, 2021 23:04:28 GMT
That’s a reasonable point - well made. But it accepts this season is a write off and we are hoping next season is better by which time Souttar, Campbell and Bursik will have left. I think this is the season to get promotion. Campbell and Bursik in different ways will have plenty to prove, who are you tipping to come in for them March? I take your point that the problem with all teams rebuilding is that they’re vulnerable to losing their best players but that’s always going to be the case. The expectation coming into this season should always have been slow progress and consolidation and anything more than that was a bonus. That’s not to let MON off the hook who frustratingly seems to not have learned some major lessons from last season but equally for all we’re on a worrying run I think this is a better side than last season’s. You make some good points. Why don't you ever take Bayern down ?? You must agree with him all the time ?. His agenda is Toxic which ironic
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Oct 30, 2021 23:16:59 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 30, 2021 23:16:59 GMT
Campbell and Bursik in different ways will have plenty to prove, who are you tipping to come in for them March? I take your point that the problem with all teams rebuilding is that they’re vulnerable to losing their best players but that’s always going to be the case. The expectation coming into this season should always have been slow progress and consolidation and anything more than that was a bonus. That’s not to let MON off the hook who frustratingly seems to not have learned some major lessons from last season but equally for all we’re on a worrying run I think this is a better side than last season’s. You make some good points. Why don't you ever take Bayern down ?? You must agree with him all the time ?. His agenda is Toxic which ironic The whole agenda culture and thinking people have them just shows how wank people are at actually making a good argument. Why argue when you can make up that someone has an agenda. Pathetic.
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Oct 30, 2021 23:43:48 GMT
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Post by miltonstokienew on Oct 30, 2021 23:43:48 GMT
You make some good points. Why don't you ever take Bayern down ?? You must agree with him all the time ?. His agenda is Toxic which ironic The whole agenda culture and thinking people have them just shows how wank people are at actually making a good argument. Why argue when you can make up that someone has an agenda. Pathetic. You're pathetic , you spend half your fucking sad act life slagging off the players, the manager, the club. I've tried block your sorry fucking sorry ass. I've been on this board long enough to see your repatative shite , you need get grip. You like nothing more than Stoke to lose so you can spend 3 days on here. Freak. You're not a Stoke fan. Your an Internet weirdo
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Oct 30, 2021 23:45:29 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 30, 2021 23:45:29 GMT
The whole agenda culture and thinking people have them just shows how wank people are at actually making a good argument. Why argue when you can make up that someone has an agenda. Pathetic. You're pathetic , you spend half your fucking sad act life slagging off the players, the manager, the club. I've tried block your sorry fucking sorry ass. I've been on this board long enough to see your repatative shite , you need get grip. You like nothing more than Stoke to lose so you can spend 3 days on here. Freak. You're not a Stoke fan. Your an Internet weirdo Far from it. It was great when we were winning. This is soul destroying. Lessons aren’t being learned and we’re wasting valuable time.
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Post by potterpaul on Oct 31, 2021 0:04:12 GMT
The whole agenda culture and thinking people have them just shows how wank people are at actually making a good argument. Why argue when you can make up that someone has an agenda. Pathetic. You're pathetic , you spend half your fucking sad act life slagging off the players, the manager, the club. I've tried block your sorry fucking sorry ass. I've been on this board long enough to see your repatative shite , you need get grip. You like nothing more than Stoke to lose so you can spend 3 days on here. Freak. You're not a Stoke fan. Your an Internet weirdo Who needs to get a grip?
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Oct 31, 2021 0:08:45 GMT
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Post by miltonstokienew on Oct 31, 2021 0:08:45 GMT
You're pathetic , you spend half your fucking sad act life slagging off the players, the manager, the club. I've tried block your sorry fucking sorry ass. I've been on this board long enough to see your repatative shite , you need get grip. You like nothing more than Stoke to lose so you can spend 3 days on here. Freak. You're not a Stoke fan. Your an Internet weirdo Far from it. It was great when we were winning. This is soul destroying. Lessons aren’t being learned and we’re wasting valuable time. Your wasting valuable time repeating yourself. Its like groundhog day. On and on and on , log off and go find that girl you once had. Honestly you feel better for it 👍
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Oct 31, 2021 0:10:02 GMT
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Post by miltonstokienew on Oct 31, 2021 0:10:02 GMT
You're pathetic , you spend half your fucking sad act life slagging off the players, the manager, the club. I've tried block your sorry fucking sorry ass. I've been on this board long enough to see your repatative shite , you need get grip. You like nothing more than Stoke to lose so you can spend 3 days on here. Freak. You're not a Stoke fan. Your an Internet weirdo Who needs to get a grip? Read it
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Oct 31, 2021 0:10:20 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 31, 2021 0:10:20 GMT
Far from it. It was great when we were winning. This is soul destroying. Lessons aren’t being learned and we’re wasting valuable time. Your wasting valuable time repeating yourself. Its like groundhog day. On and on and on , log off and go find that girl you once had. Honestly you feel better for it 👍 You’re a sad little man. Block me again already stalker #1.
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Oct 31, 2021 0:12:33 GMT
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Post by miltonstokienew on Oct 31, 2021 0:12:33 GMT
Your wasting valuable time repeating yourself. Its like groundhog day. On and on and on , log off and go find that girl you once had. Honestly you feel better for it 👍 You’re a sad little man. Block me again already stalker #1. Sad ?? 12 hours a day .. on a football message board. I've blocked you you don't support Stoke. Your addicted to this board. Odd
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 31, 2021 0:13:15 GMT
You’re a sad little man. Block me again already stalker #1. Sad ?? 12 hours a day .. on a football massage board. I've blocked you you don't support Stoke. Your addicted to this board. Odd Yes. You just post about me. That’s sad.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Oct 31, 2021 0:23:40 GMT
Campbell and Bursik in different ways will have plenty to prove, who are you tipping to come in for them March? I take your point that the problem with all teams rebuilding is that they’re vulnerable to losing their best players but that’s always going to be the case. The expectation coming into this season should always have been slow progress and consolidation and anything more than that was a bonus. That’s not to let MON off the hook who frustratingly seems to not have learned some major lessons from last season but equally for all we’re on a worrying run I think this is a better side than last season’s. You make some good points. Why don't you ever take Bayern down ?? You must agree with him all the time ?. His agenda is Toxic which ironic I don’t always agree with Bayern and when I don’t I say so and vice versa.
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Oct 31, 2021 0:32:46 GMT
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Post by miltonstokienew on Oct 31, 2021 0:32:46 GMT
Sad ?? 12 hours a day .. on a football massage board. I've blocked you you don't support Stoke. Your addicted to this board. Odd Yes. You just post about me. That’s sad. If someone makes a good point, I give them a ' like ' You suffocate this board. Try make an effort and stop fucking repeating yourself? You are fucking toxic
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Oct 31, 2021 0:34:06 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 31, 2021 0:34:06 GMT
Yes. You just post about me. That’s sad. If someone makes a good point, I give them a ' like ' You suffocate this board. Try make an effort and stop fucking repeating yourself? You are fucking toxic Me too. Go talk about some football for a change.
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Oct 31, 2021 2:10:33 GMT
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Post by callas12 on Oct 31, 2021 2:10:33 GMT
Was chatting to a Cardiff fan after the game who said they wanted Wilder. He’s the only name that comes to mind In fairness and I’m certain would get a tune out of this squad. The frustrating thing is you can see that it’s there You just know the call would be made to Steve Bruce! The man who would be managing his 12th club (just wow!).. He'd tick so many boxes of the Coates family wishlist that I could honestly see this happening! Now I'm certainly not in any way convinced he'd be the right fit for us, or advocating he's who we should go for if a change is deemed necessary & actioned by the owners but Bruce definitely knows the art of getting teams promoted out of the Championship! His Premier League management credentials certainly don't make such positive reading though! Could he get a tune out of our current squad, I actually think he would in the short term..
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Post by tuum on Oct 31, 2021 2:34:38 GMT
MONs job was complete when he kept us up. Did a fine job of it too. He is not the man to take us forward. Listening to him on radio after the game saying no point getting angry with his players, they need an arm round them. Sounds like hes recruited a right bunch of spineless pansies if that's true. I thought MON's response was good. The media and a load of fans want to hear that he has read the riot act to his players as if that is the answer. I was impressed with MON's reply. Players know they have fucked up. Very few employees need to be bollocked after a major fuck up. They know themselves. All this talk of sacking MON is mostly emotional nonsense. He has done a great job of stabilising the club to the point where we have a genuine chance of making the play offs. If you asked me in July, I would have accepted where we are now in the league. People are frustrated because they see 12pts dropped from winning positions. Sure MON can improve and he definitely has blind spots when it comes to players, tactics and formations but so does everyone. We all have our own biases. Changing the manager will inevitably see a massive upheaval in back room staff and would set us back another 12 months. I don't think the current situation warrants making such a drastic change.
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Post by hyaduck on Oct 31, 2021 5:29:55 GMT
The whole agenda culture and thinking people have them just shows how wank people are at actually making a good argument. Why argue when you can make up that someone has an agenda. Pathetic. You're pathetic , you spend half your fucking sad act life slagging off the players, the manager, the club. I've tried block your sorry fucking sorry ass. I've been on this board long enough to see your repatative shite , you need get grip. You like nothing more than Stoke to lose so you can spend 3 days on here. Freak. You're not a Stoke fan. Your an Internet weirdo I’ve tried to block your sorry fuck’n sorry ass!! Bet you were a grass at school. O’NEILL OUT!
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Oct 31, 2021 5:53:47 GMT
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Post by heworksardtho on Oct 31, 2021 5:53:47 GMT
MoN can only been seen by the board as being successful. We have a squad that wish to play for stoke city. After getting rid of unwanted players in the summer. Our league position is ok. Our kindness of gifting points to other teams needs to stop. We are no longer a rugby team At times the movement of the ball is good to watch. Weve become like Arse nal and that is a definate no no. I dont know how you sort it at the moment. We have a squad that is set up to score more goals than the opposition. We have team of mid table plodders , old boys after a last pay day , league one standard , a manager who is tactically clueless who is out of his depth with championship football, 3 goalies who if you stuck them all beteeen the sticks together would still concede , this side is a million miles away from promotion, sad but very true
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Post by HarryTheHat on Oct 31, 2021 10:12:32 GMT
We're in the same position as always. If there is a better manager available and they want the job then we make a ruthless decision. A model perfected by the scousers when they got Klopp in. Right now the only better option is Wilder (Chris, not Deontay). If Wilder wanted the job I'd very reluctantly make the switch, if not MON should stay. Lots want MON out, not many can come up with a viable replacement. Wilder could be a great option, if not then MON stays. It's not our job to come up with viable replacements though is it? That's the job of the billionaire shareholders, CEO and Analyst(s) that are employed - as has been said a million times before, they would'nt put up with MON's performance if he was a manager within Bet365, so why are they so much more lenient when it comes to SCFC? Either they have some ambition or SCFC is just a billionaire's plaything
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Oct 31, 2021 11:12:27 GMT
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Post by sticky on Oct 31, 2021 11:12:27 GMT
I think after the utter dross we endured a few years back, most of us on here were in agreement that a long term plan was needed.. for me we’re still in that plan. Let’s not make out everything’s perfect , but we’re a much better side than back then, and personally I enjoy going to the games now! I remember a few seasons back i struggled to get motivated to go! I think we need to calm down a bit and let the season run it’s course, and see where we’re at.. at the start of the season I was realistic and expected a top half finnish. We’ve got a young side and I’ve no doubt we’ll learn and improve, it’s a hard league (some might disagree) and I think by the start of next season, we’ll be ready to have a good go at it💪🏻
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Oct 31, 2021 11:26:42 GMT
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Post by stokeoptimist on Oct 31, 2021 11:26:42 GMT
That's as bad a day at the office as they come to be honest. It all starts from gifting them a first goal, changes the entire complexion of the game. Which was a goalkeeping error so you cannot blame him for that. However he should have made two changes as soon as we stopped playing after the third goal. Sawyer was a passenger in midfield so he should have changed there and a fresh pair of legs up front.
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Oct 31, 2021 11:39:16 GMT
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Post by stokeoptimist on Oct 31, 2021 11:39:16 GMT
I think after the utter dross we endured a few years back, most of us on here were in agreement that a long term plan was needed.. for me we’re still in that plan. Let’s not make out everything’s perfect , but we’re a much better side than back then, and personally I enjoy going to the games now! I remember a few seasons back i struggled to get motivated to go! I think we need to calm down a bit and let the season run it’s course, and see where we’re at.. at the start of the season I was realistic and expected a top half finnish. We’ve got a young side and I’ve no doubt we’ll learn and improve, it’s a hard league (some might disagree) and I think by the start of next season, we’ll be ready to have a good go at it💪🏻 Exactly this, typical overreaction as usual. Win a few and were going to win the league lose a few and we are shite and going down. The reality is we are somewhere in the middle. People complaining that MON is not demonstrative on the touchline, the last idiot we had used to wave his arms around, would you want another clown like him. Turning this club round will be a slow process and we will go backwards at times, for me it would be a big mistake to change now. But fortunately thats not going to happen anyway with Coates in charge.
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Oct 31, 2021 11:46:45 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 31, 2021 11:46:45 GMT
I think after the utter dross we endured a few years back, most of us on here were in agreement that a long term plan was needed.. for me we’re still in that plan. Let’s not make out everything’s perfect , but we’re a much better side than back then, and personally I enjoy going to the games now! I remember a few seasons back i struggled to get motivated to go! I think we need to calm down a bit and let the season run it’s course, and see where we’re at.. at the start of the season I was realistic and expected a top half finnish. We’ve got a young side and I’ve no doubt we’ll learn and improve, it’s a hard league (some might disagree) and I think by the start of next season, we’ll be ready to have a good go at it💪🏻 Exactly this, typical overreaction as usual. Win a few and were going to win the league lose a few and we are shite and going down. The reality is we are somewhere in the middle. People complaining that MON is not demonstrative on the touchline, the last idiot we had used to wave his arms around, would you want another clown like him. Turning this club round will be a slow process and we will go backwards at times, for me it would be a big mistake to change now. But fortunately thats not going to happen anyway with Coates in charge. Slow process? His best football with us was when he first joined and we’ve gone backwards since.
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Oct 31, 2021 11:56:38 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2021 11:56:38 GMT
Daft individual mistakes cost us again. Some of the comments are nonsense but we need to take a good look at the way we're playing when ahead. The Bursik mistake woke them up but no excuses
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Post by fca47 on Oct 31, 2021 12:08:00 GMT
Still think he has some credit left. Needs to be given another season. We were totally abject when he came,we are competitive now but not quite there.
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Oct 31, 2021 12:12:08 GMT
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Post by sticky on Oct 31, 2021 12:12:08 GMT
Exactly this, typical overreaction as usual. Win a few and were going to win the league lose a few and we are shite and going down. The reality is we are somewhere in the middle. People complaining that MON is not demonstrative on the touchline, the last idiot we had used to wave his arms around, would you want another clown like him. Turning this club round will be a slow process and we will go backwards at times, for me it would be a big mistake to change now. But fortunately thats not going to happen anyway with Coates in charge. Slow process? His best football with us was when he first joined and we’ve gone backwards since. Bayern, I agree with pretty much 90% of the stuff you post.. interested to know what your thoughts are moving forward on this issue manager change/formation change/players in out the team etc.. too much “sack him” Bollocks on here for me, fair play to you at least you make constructive posts whether people agree or not! Seem to be lacking in a few areas and a real captain for me but it’s something that can be done given time
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