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Post by wagsastokie on Oct 30, 2021 8:57:37 GMT
Is it time to put Frances new little general firmly back in his box
Or trust the French people to do it at the next election
It’s certainly a conundrum we simply can’t do nothing but at the same time are response may strengthen his chances of re-election
Maybe it’s time to call Merkel to ask her to put the attack poodle back on its lead
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Post by zerps on Oct 30, 2021 9:09:35 GMT
Looks like we’re grovelling to him.
We should be reminding him of the second world war.
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Post by franklin on Oct 31, 2021 0:53:53 GMT
The French are predictable and childish when it comes to shit like this but I'd call their bluff expel their ambassador and throw the whole French fleet out of British waters.
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Post by tuum on Oct 31, 2021 2:42:49 GMT
The French are predictable and childish when it comes to shit like this but I'd call their bluff expel their ambassador and throw the whole French fleet out of British waters. A tad drastic I think. On the whole, I think the Govt's response to this has been appropriate. They have, for the most part, been diplomatic. I think most people on both sides see this for what it is - a little posturing by Macron & his Govt ahead of an election. As one of the French politicians said 'it's 40 small boats, not a big thing' or something like that. Even Boris has been extremely diplomatic describing our relationship with France as having some turbulence just now. I think now is the time for sweet talking to give the French a way to back down without losing face.They have very little support from other Euro nations in this spat and they know it. |
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Post by franklin on Oct 31, 2021 8:23:32 GMT
The French are predictable and childish when it comes to shit like this but I'd call their bluff expel their ambassador and throw the whole French fleet out of British waters. A tad drastic I think. On the whole, I think the Govt's response to this has been appropriate. They have, for the most part, been diplomatic. I think most people on both sides see this for what it is - a little posturing by Macron & his Govt ahead of an election. As one of the French politicians said 'it's 40 small boats, not a big thing' or something like that. Even Boris has been extremely diplomatic describing our relationship with France as having some turbulence just now. I think now is the time for sweet talking to give the French a way to back down without losing face.They have very little support from other Euro nations in this spat and they know it. Ah well you see when a bully threatens me I won't sweet talk them I take them on then they leave you alone. As I said it's a predicted response from the French maybe they need a lesson rather than placating them. |
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Post by mrcoke on Oct 31, 2021 8:47:19 GMT
I think it would foolish to escalate conflict, it would only lose any support from 3rd parties, inflame matters, and gain nothing
If the impounded vessel captain has broken the law, he should face the consequences. If he hasn't the government should give him all legal and financial support and send France the bill.
It is important to maintain the high moral ground and not sink to threats, which is the language of bullies and thugs.
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Post by franklin on Oct 31, 2021 8:53:09 GMT
I think it would foolish to escalate conflict, it would only lose any support from 3rd parties, inflame matters, and gain nothing If the impounded vessel captain has broken the law, he should face the consequences. If he hasn't the government should give him all legal and financial support and send France the bill. It is important to maintain the high moral ground and not sink to threats, which is the language of bullies and thugs. It's more than the scallop boat it's all the threats again, cutting off the leccy blocking ports and delaying freight out of spite. Bullies and thugs is correct that's what they are and they resort to this stuff time after time maybe a new approach is required rather than enabling their behaviour try and change it by standing up to them and taking them on. |
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Post by mrcoke on Oct 31, 2021 9:32:56 GMT
I think it would foolish to escalate conflict, it would only lose any support from 3rd parties, inflame matters, and gain nothing If the impounded vessel captain has broken the law, he should face the consequences. If he hasn't the government should give him all legal and financial support and send France the bill. It is important to maintain the high moral ground and not sink to threats, which is the language of bullies and thugs. It's more than the scallop boat it's all the threats again, cutting off the leccy blocking ports and delaying freight out of spite. Bullies and thugs is correct that's what they are and they resort to this stuff time after time maybe a new approach is required rather than enabling their behaviour try and change it by standing up to them and taking them on. At the moment it is all threats. I think reacting to threats by making counter threats is a mistake. At this time diplomacy is the correct action, talking to third parties like Ireland who would be impacted by such action, and getting them and the EU to talk to France. Even if illegal action does take place such as French fishermen blocking ports, Chunnel, etc. the UK should go through official channels, and still not retaliate. The UK should only retatialate if the French authorities actually took official action such as reducing power supply, import controls, etc. Then we, as a united nation, should act and hit them so hard they don't know what has hit them, even if we have to suffer the loss of French wine and cheese! That would make Macron's position intolerable in his own country. |
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Post by partickpotter on Oct 31, 2021 9:39:56 GMT
It's more than the scallop boat it's all the threats again, cutting off the leccy blocking ports and delaying freight out of spite. Bullies and thugs is correct that's what they are and they resort to this stuff time after time maybe a new approach is required rather than enabling their behaviour try and change it by standing up to them and taking them on. At the moment it is all threats. I think reacting to threats by making counter threats is a mistake. At this time diplomacy is the correct action, talking to third parties like Ireland who would be impacted by such action, and getting them and the EU to talk to France. Even if illegal action does take place such as French fishermen blocking ports, Chunnel, etc. the UK should go through official channels, and still not retaliate. The UK should only retatialate if the French authorities actually took official action such as reducing power supply, import controls, etc. Then we, as a united nation, should act and hit them so hard they don't know what has hit them, even if we have to suffer the loss of French wine and cheese! That would make Macron's position intolerable in his own country. Agree. Macron is playing to a home crowd. We just play him with a straight bat. Leave the histrionics to him. Btw, responding through the EU is a good idea. It’s a bit like talking to the parents of a petulant child. |
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Post by franklin on Oct 31, 2021 9:47:25 GMT
It's more than the scallop boat it's all the threats again, cutting off the leccy blocking ports and delaying freight out of spite. Bullies and thugs is correct that's what they are and they resort to this stuff time after time maybe a new approach is required rather than enabling their behaviour try and change it by standing up to them and taking them on. At the moment it is all threats. I think reacting to threats by making counter threats is a mistake. At this time diplomacy is the correct action, talking to third parties like Ireland who would be impacted by such action, and getting them and the EU to talk to France. Even if illegal action does take place such as French fishermen blocking ports, Chunnel, etc. the UK should go through official channels, and still not retaliate. The UK should only retatialate if the French authorities actually took official action such as reducing power supply, import controls, etc. Then we, as a united nation, should act and hit them so hard they don't know what has hit them, even if we have to suffer the loss of French wine and cheese! That would make Macron's position intolerable in his own country. That's the point though they always resort to threats nothing changes they have been threatening the UK for decades burning lorries etc and they continue unchallenged year after year. I know its how they appear to operate when they feel aggrieved but as a so called friendly nation their threatening tone should automatically draw condemnation but they're excused all the time " it's OK it's the French again" so this time fuck um. |
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Post by Eggybread on Oct 31, 2021 11:47:46 GMT
So now we have Johnsons Waterloo.  |
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Post by mrcoke on Oct 31, 2021 12:02:16 GMT
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Post by xchpotter on Oct 31, 2021 12:31:21 GMT
At the moment it is all threats. I think reacting to threats by making counter threats is a mistake. At this time diplomacy is the correct action, talking to third parties like Ireland who would be impacted by such action, and getting them and the EU to talk to France. Even if illegal action does take place such as French fishermen blocking ports, Chunnel, etc. the UK should go through official channels, and still not retaliate. The UK should only retatialate if the French authorities actually took official action such as reducing power supply, import controls, etc. Then we, as a united nation, should act and hit them so hard they don't know what has hit them, even if we have to suffer the loss of French wine and cheese! That would make Macron's position intolerable in his own country. Agree. Macron is playing to a home crowd. We just play him with a straight bat. Leave the histrionics to him. Btw, responding through the EU is a good idea. It’s a bit like talking to the parents of a petulant child. That’s assuming that you are dealing with reasonable parents and not some dysfunctional type who couldn’t give a toss what their snotty nosed kid got up to. |
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Post by franklin on Nov 1, 2021 11:09:08 GMT
Macron's got some brass neck I'll give him that, hes called the leader of another country a liar and said that friends should behave and be true while threatening the UK. The man's bonkers and desperately trying to hold on to power while making himself look like a hypocritical thug.
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Post by AlliG on Nov 1, 2021 12:20:07 GMT
Misread the title.
Thought the French had finally reached this bloke (Napoleon XIV)
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Post by mrcoke on Nov 1, 2021 21:51:57 GMT
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 1, 2021 22:03:20 GMT
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Post by franklin on Nov 1, 2021 22:08:37 GMT
They said on the news that the Channel Islands had issued some temporary fishing permits that may have had some bearing on the decision. |
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Post by longdistancekiddie on Nov 1, 2021 23:08:22 GMT
Macron's got some brass neck I'll give him that, hes called the leader of another country a liar and said that friends should behave and be true while threatening the UK. The man's bonkers and desperately trying to hold on to power while making himself look like a hypocritical thug. Who did he call a liar |
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Post by mrcoke on Nov 1, 2021 23:13:16 GMT
Macron's got some brass neck I'll give him that, hes called the leader of another country a liar and said that friends should behave and be true while threatening the UK. The man's bonkers and desperately trying to hold on to power while making himself look like a hypocritical thug. Who did he call a liar See AUKUS thread |
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Post by mrcoke on Nov 5, 2021 14:30:41 GMT
One of the problems I had working for the French for 7 years was language. Not my understanding of French which was pretty dreadful, but the French use of English which could be "difficult" at times. One of the problems was there is often not an exact word for word translation between the languages, which could lead to " misunderstandings " let us say. Another issue was when one boss I had would tell me what certain English words meant! Now I know the command of the Queen's English is not all British subjects forte ( ) but it is a bit tiring being lectured to by a French man about the English language. The latest French English word came up today in this spat that it going on in the French presidential campaign: www.politico.eu/article/uk-france-fishing-rights-brexit-deal-emmanuel-macron-christophe-castaner-michel-barnier-republicains/"imprecisions" No doubt if it is used more than twice, it will appear as a new English word. |
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Post by mrcoke on Dec 7, 2021 13:07:38 GMT
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Post by salopstick on Dec 7, 2021 22:23:02 GMT
Married to a paedophile
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Dec 8, 2021 8:32:15 GMT
Oh dear, did you feel the need to get some displacement anger off your chest last night, while being laughed at by the Tories? In what sense is she a paedophile? Got together when he was 16 apparently, became a couple at 18, age of consent in France is (and was at the time, too) 15. |
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Post by wagsastokie on Dec 8, 2021 9:32:14 GMT
Oh dear, did you feel the need to get some displacement anger of your chest last night, while being laughed at by the Tories? In what sense is she a paedophile? Got together when he was 16 apparently, age of consent in France is (and was at the time, too) 15. So she shagged a 16 year old as you say no problem So what is different to prince Andrew |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Dec 8, 2021 10:37:53 GMT
Age of consent in France = 15; Macron was 18.
Age of consent in US (Florida) = 18; Roberts was 17.
You work it out...
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Post by salopstick on Dec 8, 2021 10:57:21 GMT
Macron was 15 she was a teacher he was groomed.
Their consent law doesn’t make it right and if the sexes were reversed it would be a bigger story
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Dec 8, 2021 11:59:07 GMT
Macron was 15 she was a teacher he was groomed. Their consent law doesn’t make it right and if the sexes were reversed it would be a bigger story Unfortunately, the consent law does make it right. They met when he was 15, became a couple at 18, been married since 2007. If leaders' relationship behaviour is worth scrutiny, our own leader's is far worse by comparison. You're probably right that the story would be bigger if the sexes were reversed, but she's evidently not a paedophile, regardless of what you might think! |
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