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Post by prestwichpotter on Dec 10, 2022 10:33:37 GMT
What was Crawley thinking there? Crazy run I’m all for this new brand of attacking cricket but that run was absolute mental …It was a 20/20 needing 11 off 5 type of run Not a test match 4 days left and a 90 run lead with no wickets down Crazy I think this new brand of cricket will be watered down as teams get wise to it. I can’t see it working full throttle in Australia for the Ashes for example with their attack. If you’re 7/2 after 5 overs Bazball may have to be rethought or we could find ourselves all out for 70. I’m loving the positive mindset though particularly in the field with attacking field settings and clear plans with the ball….
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 10, 2022 10:35:22 GMT
From a wicket keeping perspective it absolutely does. You can’t tell me if Foakes was in for Jacks for example we wouldn’t be even better off. Pope has been kept back because he’s had to keep for 70 overs with a nights rest in between…… It’s been fine. And tbh isn’t that to be expected? It’s a tough job and he’s done it well and we have the luxury of changing it up. We have 7 better batters in the side. An extra spinner. And a perfectly fine wicket keeper.
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Post by spitthedog on Dec 10, 2022 10:38:35 GMT
This might work out to be a curse but Brook looks like a real Test Cricketer to me.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Dec 10, 2022 10:40:21 GMT
From a wicket keeping perspective it absolutely does. You can’t tell me if Foakes was in for Jacks for example we wouldn’t be even better off. Pope has been kept back because he’s had to keep for 70 overs with a nights rest in between…… It’s been fine. And tbh isn’t that to be expected? It’s a tough job and he’s done it well and we have the luxury of changing it up. We have 7 better batters in the side. An extra spinner. And a perfectly fine wicket keeper. An extra spinner that bowled 4 overs on a spin friendly pitch…….
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 10, 2022 10:42:29 GMT
This might work out to be a curse but Brook looks like a real Test Cricketer to me. He’s class and another reason why Foakes should struggle to get back in.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Dec 10, 2022 10:50:44 GMT
Nine wickets already for Abrar! He could end up with about 15 or 16 here, and lose the match
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Post by prestwichpotter on Dec 10, 2022 10:52:16 GMT
This might work out to be a curse but Brook looks like a real Test Cricketer to me. He’s class and another reason why Foakes should struggle to get back in. Brook batting in the top 6 has nothing to do with Foakes being in the team long term though. A wicket keeper at 7, a bowler that can bat at 8 in a team of 4 seamers (including Stokes) and a spinner is about as good as it gets…..
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 10, 2022 11:04:48 GMT
He’s class and another reason why Foakes should struggle to get back in. Brook batting in the top 6 has nothing to do with Foakes being in the team long term though. A wicket keeper at 7, a bowler that can bat at 8 in a team of 4 seamers (including Stokes) and a spinner is about as good as it gets….. It does. Crawley Duckett Pope Root Brook Bairstow Stokes 3 of that lot can keep well enough and they are 3 better batsmen.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Dec 10, 2022 11:13:36 GMT
Brook batting in the top 6 has nothing to do with Foakes being in the team long term though. A wicket keeper at 7, a bowler that can bat at 8 in a team of 4 seamers (including Stokes) and a spinner is about as good as it gets….. It does. Crawley Duckett Pope Root Brook Bairstow Stokes 3 of that lot can keep well enough and they are 3 better batsmen. Foakes has a better international batting average than Crawley and an almost identical one to Pope…….
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 10, 2022 11:21:03 GMT
It does. Crawley Duckett Pope Root Brook Bairstow Stokes 3 of that lot can keep well enough and they are 3 better batsmen. Foakes has a better international batting average than Crawley and an almost identical one to Pope……. Crawley is the only one I wouldn’t want in it. But no one else in there can open so Foakes wouldn’t come into the reckoning. Pope will have a much better Test career than Foakes.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Dec 11, 2022 10:40:21 GMT
We really need to find a decent spinner or not play one at all. Leach is being absolutely hammered here.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2022 10:41:17 GMT
Are we going to blow this as well
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Post by chuckrocky on Dec 11, 2022 11:04:08 GMT
We really need to find a decent spinner or not play one at all. Leach is being absolutely hammered here. Root came in for a lot of stick for the way he handled Leach but you can see why he was often reluctant to use him. He’s never going to be someone who bowls out sides but you expect your finger spinner to be able to keep things tight at least but he just seems incapable of putting any kind of pressure on a batsman.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Dec 11, 2022 11:37:09 GMT
Shaping up to be another cracking finale. Needed that wicket there
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Post by lordb on Dec 11, 2022 12:44:34 GMT
Are we going to blow this as well As well as what?
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Dec 11, 2022 13:22:53 GMT
Are we going to blow this as well As well as what? I suspect he's referring to last night's football? Finely poised test match which could go either way. A win for Pakistan would be an excellent comeback and, frankly, just reward for Abrar's efforts on his debut. I make England slight favourites from here, with that last wicket going down late on. Another two before they're less than 100 to get and it could end quickly...
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Post by lordb on Dec 11, 2022 13:25:52 GMT
I suspect he's referring to last night's football? Finely poised test match which could go either way. A win for Pakistan would be an excellent comeback and, frankly, just reward for Abrar's efforts on his debut. I make England slight favourites from here, with that last wicket going down late on. Another two before they're less than 100 to get and it could end quickly... I see Didn't think we threw the football away, we lost, not the same thing Test cricket given a great boost by England's approach
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Dec 11, 2022 13:35:57 GMT
I suspect he's referring to last night's football? Finely poised test match which could go either way. A win for Pakistan would be an excellent comeback and, frankly, just reward for Abrar's efforts on his debut. I make England slight favourites from here, with that last wicket going down late on. Another two before they're less than 100 to get and it could end quickly... I see Didn't think we through the football away, we lost, not the same thing Test cricket given a great boost by England's approach Difficult to know what to make of the football really on reflection. Gave it a go in the second half especially and were the better team but, as we all know, you have to make that superiority count and we didn't. They go up the other end and score with pretty much their only chance of the second half. C'est la vie. Anyway, back to cricket...
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Post by chuckrocky on Dec 12, 2022 6:44:53 GMT
Could be a close one here, Pakistan need 65, England need 4 wickets.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Dec 12, 2022 7:04:55 GMT
Could be a close one here, Pakistan need 65, England need 4 wickets. England definitely got the rub of the green with that last wicket with the soft signal being out, looked to me like the ball briefly squirmed under Pope’s glove and hit the ground. 7 down with just the tail left we should wrap it up from here…….
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Post by chuckrocky on Dec 12, 2022 7:14:40 GMT
Could be a close one here, Pakistan need 65, England need 4 wickets. England definitely got the rub of the green with that last wicket with the soft signal being out, looked to me like the ball briefly squirmed under Pope’s glove and hit the ground. 7 down with just the tail left we should wrap it up from here……. Yeah we benefited from the absolutely ludicrous soft signal rule there. Maybe it’s just my dodgy memory but it seems we’ve mainly been on the wrong end of those over the last couple of years so it least one has gone in our favour. Still think it could be a nail biter, Salman is very capable with the bat and Abrar is having one of those games.
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Post by professorplump on Dec 12, 2022 7:19:59 GMT
Could be a close one here, Pakistan need 65, England need 4 wickets. England definitely got the rub of the green with that last wicket with the soft signal being out, looked to me like the ball briefly squirmed under Pope’s glove and hit the ground. 7 down with just the tail left we should wrap it up from here……. It looked like a clean catch to me. Even the TV experts seem to be split on it so I guess it was a decision that could have gone either way.
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Post by professorplump on Dec 12, 2022 7:21:38 GMT
This game could still go either way but if England are to win, I think it will be the faster bowlers who win it for us.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Dec 12, 2022 7:23:51 GMT
England definitely got the rub of the green with that last wicket with the soft signal being out, looked to me like the ball briefly squirmed under Pope’s glove and hit the ground. 7 down with just the tail left we should wrap it up from here……. Yeah we benefited from the absolutely ludicrous soft signal rule there. Maybe it’s just my dodgy memory but it seems we’ve mainly been on the wrong end of those over the last couple of years so it least one has gone in our favour. Still think it could be a nail biter, Salman is very capable with the bat and Abrar is having one of those games. Yeah we’ve missed out on a couple of similar ones over the last 12 months, in this age of technology all good camera angles seem to disappear when they try and look at a catch…..
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Post by prestwichpotter on Dec 12, 2022 7:41:40 GMT
England definitely got the rub of the green with that last wicket with the soft signal being out, looked to me like the ball briefly squirmed under Pope’s glove and hit the ground. 7 down with just the tail left we should wrap it up from here……. It looked like a clean catch to me. Even the TV experts seem to be split on it so I guess it was a decision that could have gone either way. I didn’t realise until just that the soft signal is no longer relevant unless the technology fails so the 3rd umpire can make more of a judgement call now. For me there was 3 clear movements, the catch, the moment the ball squirms out and touches the grass and the final exaggerated movement of Pope lifting the ball up. But it’s small margins and one that could be given either way…….
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Post by lordb on Dec 12, 2022 8:27:35 GMT
Back to back away wins
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 12, 2022 8:36:33 GMT
Great win.
I hope they make some changes to the bowling now for the next one. Give some others a chance. Would love to see the leg spinner given a shot.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Dec 12, 2022 8:39:30 GMT
Superb win and a great series so far. Stokes has got the Midas touch so far……
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Post by professorplump on Dec 12, 2022 9:41:52 GMT
Great to win the test and the series. I thought Mark Wood should have got the man of the match award. He shows the sort of spirit that Stoke need more of. I would rest him for the next game though and bring in Overton and would probably bring in Rehan Ahmed for Jacks. They will probably continue with Pope as keeper for the next game but hopefully this isn't a long term thing as it will compromise his batting.
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