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Post by Laughing Gravy on Sept 28, 2021 22:26:29 GMT
Just seen it again, it was pretty much at him in the middle of the goal. He would have to be disappointed he didn't save it. Fuck me mate I'm 60 years old and I'd have been disappointed not to have saved it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2021 22:32:25 GMT
Honestly don't see why it has to be death or Davies for some.
Bursik is a pretty decent Championship keeper who has got so much better since he came back to us last season. However, he's not the best at actually stopping shots. Davies is worse in possession, but better at shot stopping overall. I'd be interested in getting a camera angle of his view tonight, because while it was close to him, it came over the wall and down from right outside the box.
Why Stoke fans on both sides of this argument keep moaning about double standards while willfully ignoring their own bias is beyond me.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 28, 2021 22:50:11 GMT
Honestly don't see why it has to be death or Davies for some. Bursik is a pretty decent Championship keeper who has got so much better since he came back to us last season. However, he's not the best at actually stopping shots. Davies is worse in possession, but better at shot stopping overall. I'd be interested in getting a camera angle of his view tonight, because while it was close to him, it came over the wall and down from right outside the box. Why Stoke fans on both sides of this argument keep moaning about double standards while willfully ignoring their own bias is beyond me. I don’t have a bias. I’m not overly enamoured with Bursik but I do think we’ll make a fortune from him. But Davies since he got has been treated by a lot of fans as some form of untouchable. Bursik plays like that tonight and there’s hell up on here. I don’t actually believe Davies should be dropped for it. But I don’t think Bursik had done nearly anything enough to warrant a dropping either. Both have their pluses, both have their minuses. Only one could make us a fortune. I’d expect to get to the play offs with either. That’s how I view it. That long term view is the winner for me.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2021 22:58:10 GMT
Honestly don't see why it has to be death or Davies for some. Bursik is a pretty decent Championship keeper who has got so much better since he came back to us last season. However, he's not the best at actually stopping shots. Davies is worse in possession, but better at shot stopping overall. I'd be interested in getting a camera angle of his view tonight, because while it was close to him, it came over the wall and down from right outside the box. Why Stoke fans on both sides of this argument keep moaning about double standards while willfully ignoring their own bias is beyond me. I don’t have a bias. I’m not overly enamoured with Bursik but I do think we’ll make a fortune from him. But Davies since he got has been treated by a lot of fans as some form of untouchable. Bursik plays like that tonight and there’s hell up on here. I don’t actually believe Davies should be dropped for it. But I don’t think Bursik had done nearly anything enough to warrant a dropping either. Both have their pluses, both have their minuses. Only one could make us a fortune. I’d expect to get to the play offs with either. That’s how I view it. That long term view is the winner for me. There is hell up on here for Davies playing tonight as well. I don't see much difference. When Bursik does something wrong, people who really prefer him are generally quiet or not as OTT in their condemnation, and vice-versa. I wasn't even naming you for this example. It's the same for pretty much every player.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2021 23:00:31 GMT
Big H didn't look happy with him, most likely for how Davis set up the wall
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Sept 28, 2021 23:03:43 GMT
I don’t have a bias. I’m not overly enamoured with Bursik but I do think we’ll make a fortune from him. But Davies since he got has been treated by a lot of fans as some form of untouchable. Bursik plays like that tonight and there’s hell up on here. I don’t actually believe Davies should be dropped for it. But I don’t think Bursik had done nearly anything enough to warrant a dropping either. Both have their pluses, both have their minuses. Only one could make us a fortune. I’d expect to get to the play offs with either. That’s how I view it. That long term view is the winner for me. There is hell up on here for Davies playing tonight as well. I don't see much difference. When Bursik does something wrong, people who really prefer him are generally quiet or not as OTT in their condemnation, and vice-versa. I wasn't even naming you for this example. It's the same for pretty much every player. You're right and it's pathetic.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 28, 2021 23:05:14 GMT
I don’t have a bias. I’m not overly enamoured with Bursik but I do think we’ll make a fortune from him. But Davies since he got has been treated by a lot of fans as some form of untouchable. Bursik plays like that tonight and there’s hell up on here. I don’t actually believe Davies should be dropped for it. But I don’t think Bursik had done nearly anything enough to warrant a dropping either. Both have their pluses, both have their minuses. Only one could make us a fortune. I’d expect to get to the play offs with either. That’s how I view it. That long term view is the winner for me. There is hell up on here for Davies playing tonight as well. I don't see much difference. When Bursik does something wrong, people who really prefer him are generally quiet or not as OTT in their condemnation, and vice-versa. I wasn't even naming you for this example. It's the same for pretty much every player. No there isn’t. People were giving him 7s on the ratings thread 😂and I think most people would have played him now Bursik had been dropped? He was certainly in my team. There’s something more with Davies than most players imo. Bursik is young and Stoke fans don’t trust young so that’s where that lies. Someone mentioned Davies not being Butland and that was definitely a thing. But I have no idea how it’s stuck. Him not being Butland shouldn’t have that affect now that it did then. All’s I think it’s done is highlighted what an irrational decision it was. And that’s why I play devils advocate with this one. Because he usually gets away with murder compared to his contemporaries. In an ideal world, Bursik has a worldie season and we sell him in 12 months for for 10-15m. I think we can sign better goalies on a free. That’s kind of what I’m hoping for 👍
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Post by sensiblestokie on Sept 28, 2021 23:13:27 GMT
Got to save it. Also Bursik should have saved a few too when he was in goals.
Both massively worry me now.
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Post by ChesterStokie on Sept 28, 2021 23:27:47 GMT
The first time I saw Adam Davies play he flapped at and let in a crappy cross/shot at Brentford and I’ve not seen anything since to give me any confidence in him.
Bursik is still learning his trade but I would 100% want to see him reinstated on Friday.
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Post by tejstokie on Sept 29, 2021 3:15:56 GMT
Got to save it. Also Bursik should have saved a few too when he was in goals. Both massively worry me now. Both really aren't good enough. End of really. Add GK to the list.
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Post by robwahlmann on Sept 29, 2021 6:30:42 GMT
We have two very good goalkeepers at this level in my opinion!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2021 7:21:46 GMT
We have two very good goalkeepers at this level in my opinion! I think so too. He needs to pick one and stick to them though imo. Bursik edges it for me.
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Post by nottsover60 on Sept 29, 2021 7:27:33 GMT
The first time I saw Adam Davies play he flapped at and let in a crappy cross/shot at Brentford and I’ve not seen anything since to give me any confidence in him. Bursik is still learning his trade but I would 100% want to see him reinstated on Friday. He is a competent gk and my opinion of him grew last season when I thought he was good. This is part of Bursik's learning curve just as it was for Shawcross when he was dropped for 8 games at the beginning of our first Premier League season.
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Post by pottersrule on Sept 29, 2021 7:55:49 GMT
I think his performance for the free kick was on a par with Bursik’s v Barnsley, if not slightly worse. However he still has to do a ridiculous charge to the edge of his box for a ball he’s never going to get before he should be dropped for me. The Barnsley free kick was way further over wasn’t it? That tonight was straight at Davies. Davies for some reason didn't stand in the middle of his goal,but over to his left.He would have saved it if his positioning had been better.Our goalkeepers are costing us at the moment,whilst the opposition's seem to be producing mom performances.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 29, 2021 8:08:09 GMT
The Barnsley free kick was way further over wasn’t it? That tonight was straight at Davies. Davies for some reason didn't stand in the middle of his goal,but over to his left.He would have saved it if his positioning had been better.Our goalkeepers are costing us at the moment,whilst the opposition's seem to be producing mom performances. Poor finishing again though too. Powell’s was just too close to him and gave him the chance at saving it. God knows what Tymon was doing.
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Post by mickstupp on Sept 29, 2021 8:11:32 GMT
Davies for some reason didn't stand in the middle of his goal,but over to his left.He would have saved it if his positioning had been better.Our goalkeepers are costing us at the moment,whilst the opposition's seem to be producing mom performances. Poor finishing again though too. Powell’s was just too close to him and gave him the chance at saving it. God knows what Tymon was doing. Disappointed not to get the three points, and Davies should certainly have done better. Hats of to their keeper though, I thought he had a very good game whoever he was.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Sept 29, 2021 8:13:23 GMT
Honestly don't see why it has to be death or Davies for some. Bursik is a pretty decent Championship keeper who has got so much better since he came back to us last season. However, he's not the best at actually stopping shots. Davies is worse in possession, but better at shot stopping overall. I'd be interested in getting a camera angle of his view tonight, because while it was close to him, it came over the wall and down from right outside the box. Why Stoke fans on both sides of this argument keep moaning about double standards while willfully ignoring their own bias is beyond me. Is there any evidence that he is better at stopping shots? I can't recall him making a save of any note at all outside of 1 v 1 situations which he's actually very good at.
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Post by thestatusquo on Sept 29, 2021 8:16:02 GMT
Both keepers are prone to making errors. Hopefully one will make less than the other
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 29, 2021 8:16:10 GMT
Poor finishing again though too. Powell’s was just too close to him and gave him the chance at saving it. God knows what Tymon was doing. Disappointed not to get the three points, and Davies should certainly have done better. Hats of to their keeper though, I thought he had a very good game whoever he was. The Powell save was good but it was still a bad finish that was way too close to him.
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Post by pottersrule on Sept 29, 2021 9:02:45 GMT
Davies for some reason didn't stand in the middle of his goal,but over to his left.He would have saved it if his positioning had been better.Our goalkeepers are costing us at the moment,whilst the opposition's seem to be producing mom performances. Poor finishing again though too. Powell’s was just too close to him and gave him the chance at saving it. God knows what Tymon was doing. Think the goalkeeper was on Powell very quickly and it was hard to get a shot away,Tyson should have hit it first time.I think Campbell finishes both.(Pre injury)
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Post by a on Sept 29, 2021 9:10:48 GMT
Honestly don't see why it has to be death or Davies for some. Bursik is a pretty decent Championship keeper who has got so much better since he came back to us last season. However, he's not the best at actually stopping shots. Davies is worse in possession, but better at shot stopping overall. I'd be interested in getting a camera angle of his view tonight, because while it was close to him, it came over the wall and down from right outside the box. Why Stoke fans on both sides of this argument keep moaning about double standards while willfully ignoring their own bias is beyond me. I don’t have a bias. I’m not overly enamoured with Bursik but I do think we’ll make a fortune from him. But Davies since he got has been treated by a lot of fans as some form of untouchable. Bursik plays like that tonight and there’s hell up on here. I don’t actually believe Davies should be dropped for it. But I don’t think Bursik had done nearly anything enough to warrant a dropping either. Both have their pluses, both have their minuses. Only one could make us a fortune. I’d expect to get to the play offs with either. That’s how I view it. That long term view is the winner for me. Did you choose to ignore all the criticism of Davies on here from last night? He was rightly criticised, as Bursik wouldve. You definitely do have a bias in favour of our youth players, 100%
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Sept 29, 2021 9:15:43 GMT
It would seem the only way to stay as No1, is to never make a mistake.
Hokey Pokey keepers, in out, in out.
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Post by a on Sept 29, 2021 9:19:22 GMT
Disappointed not to get the three points, and Davies should certainly have done better. Hats of to their keeper though, I thought he had a very good game whoever he was. The Powell save was good but it was still a bad finish that was way too close to him. The highlights show 3 brilliant saves that Iversen made. I’ve watched them, they are excellent saves. The goal we conceded I’ve also got to say wasn’t exactly a howling error.
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Post by mickstupp on Sept 29, 2021 9:31:09 GMT
The Powell save was good but it was still a bad finish that was way too close to him. The highlights show 3 brilliant saves that Iversen made. I’ve watched them, they are excellent saves. The goal we conceded I’ve also got to say wasn’t exactly a howling error. If we are looking for another keeper over the summer we can do much worse than look at that Iversen. Looks a quality keeper to me and only 24.
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Post by a on Sept 29, 2021 9:36:03 GMT
The highlights show 3 brilliant saves that Iversen made. I’ve watched them, they are excellent saves. The goal we conceded I’ve also got to say wasn’t exactly a howling error. If we are looking for another keeper over the summer we can do much worse than look at Iversen. Looks a quality keeper to me and only 24. People Based on his performance I’d agree. Came out to smother, good reactions, commanding. Oh actually no he’s shit and our shooting made it too easy for him, disregard 😂
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Post by scfcwebby on Sept 29, 2021 12:16:01 GMT
Disappointed not to get the three points, and Davies should certainly have done better. Hats of to their keeper though, I thought he had a very good game whoever he was. The Powell save was good but it was still a bad finish that was way too close to him. 99 times out of 100 you expect Powell to hit the back of the net with that chance. I don't think it helped that he wasn't eclectic to be in that position and had a second to make a decision
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Post by OldStokie on Sept 29, 2021 12:46:04 GMT
It wasn't a 'howler' like Bursik's rush of blood moment but that free kick was so close to him that he should have palmed it over no probs. I've watched it over and over and he just wasn't prepared for the power of it. He should have been. It really is a 50/50 situation at the moment which keeper is the best one. Both have strengths and weaknesses.
OS.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Sept 29, 2021 12:52:13 GMT
Got to save it. Also Bursik should have saved a few too when he was in goals. Both massively worry me now. Both really aren't good enough. End of really. Add GK to the list. Both are plenty good enough for the standard we are playing at.
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Post by spitthedog on Sept 29, 2021 12:58:20 GMT
Disappointed not to get the three points, and Davies should certainly have done better. Hats of to their keeper though, I thought he had a very good game whoever he was. The Powell save was good but it was still a bad finish that was way too close to him. 10 yards out with only the goalie to beat is pretty much a poor miss, like you say way too close to him, would have been ropey goalkeeping if he had let it in tbh but it happens and its not like he ain't scoring goals atm.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Sept 29, 2021 17:54:34 GMT
The highlights show 3 brilliant saves that Iversen made. I’ve watched them, they are excellent saves. The goal we conceded I’ve also got to say wasn’t exactly a howling error. If we are looking for another keeper over the summer we can do much worse than look at that Iversen. Looks a quality keeper to me and only 24. And Gary Mellor is his agent
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