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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2021 20:43:53 GMT
I am on record for saying I didn't believe that MON would play them all at the same time, but I'm very glad to be wrong.
Its mentioned a lot that top quality wing backs are needed for 3-5-2/5-3-2, but one of the biggest differences for me is having three defenders that are all composed on the ball (as well as Bursik). It opens up so much space when players can look forward, feeling confident that the ball will meet them and not be lost out at the back.
I'm sure that we will have games where their relative inexperience costs us, but they have really made the formation much more attacking than I expected it to be.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 17, 2021 20:45:51 GMT
Never got the argument he wouldn’t tbh.
He signed two of them and Souttar might as well be his signing.
Batth is shite in a 3. Chester injured and liable to many brain farts.
He had to play them.
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Post by tejstokie on Aug 17, 2021 20:46:40 GMT
Wilmot, Ostigard coming in and having Souttar as the main mountain to climb in the center is going to get us into position to compete this season for the playoffs.
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Post by mtrstudent on Aug 17, 2021 20:48:08 GMT
I am on record for saying I didn't believe that MON would play them all at the same time, but I'm very glad to be wrong. Its mentioned a lot that top quality wing backs are needed for 3-5-2/5-3-2, but one of the biggest differences for me is having three defenders that are all composed on the ball (as well as Bursik). It opens up so much space when players can look forward, feeling confident that the ball will meet them and not be lost out at the back. I'm sure that we will have games where their relative inexperience costs us, but they have really made the formation much more attacking than I expected it to be. All three of them can carry the ball out too. It's so brilliant as an option because it makes the opponent's press so much riskier. Can't remember the last time I saw a central defence of this quality in the championship? |
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Post by gogogadget on Aug 17, 2021 20:49:51 GMT
Soutar is fucking immense
Back three only works with him in the middle.
If that back 3 stay together all season. We make the play offs
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2021 20:50:33 GMT
Never got the argument he wouldn’t tbh. He signed two of them and Souttar might as well be his signing. Batth is shite in a 3. Chester injured and liable to many brain farts. He had to play them. Most, if not all teams, in the league have at least one experienced central defender playing at a time. Given that Wilmot isn't left footed, I didn't expect him to move over to the left, I half assumed we'd be bringing in another and shipping one/two back out, or just using Fox there. I'm glad that this is working so far and I really hope it continues! Ostigard may be expensive to bring in though at the end of the season. |
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Post by Ron on Aug 17, 2021 20:52:18 GMT
Early days but it looks balanced and they’re all very good on the ball. Look very very solid. So pleased with the 2 signings both look top draw for this level.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2021 20:53:52 GMT
Some of the balls they were playing especially around the 60 minute mark were fucking filthy, just threading the needle down the centre of the pitch.
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Post by clarkeda on Aug 17, 2021 20:55:00 GMT
Never got the argument he wouldn’t tbh. He signed two of them and Souttar might as well be his signing. Batth is shite in a 3. Chester injured and liable to many brain farts. He had to play them. Most, if not all teams, in the league have at least one experienced central defender playing at a time. Given that Wilmot isn't left footed, I didn't expect him to move over to the left, I half assumed we'd be bringing in another and shipping one/two back out, or just using Fox there. I'm glad that this is working so far and I really hope it continues! Ostigard may be expensive to bring in though at the end of the season. He’ll be peanuts to us when we’re promoted (I joke) |
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Post by milky on Aug 17, 2021 20:55:29 GMT
Is it me or are Wilmot and Ostigard pretty rapid ?
It's a long time since I can remember us having that pace at the back ?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 17, 2021 20:55:48 GMT
Never got the argument he wouldn’t tbh. He signed two of them and Souttar might as well be his signing. Batth is shite in a 3. Chester injured and liable to many brain farts. He had to play them. Most, if not all teams, in the league have at least one experienced central defender playing at a time. Given that Wilmot isn't left footed, I didn't expect him to move over to the left, I half assumed we'd be bringing in another and shipping one/two back out, or just using Fox there. I'm glad that this is working so far and I really hope it continues! Ostigard may be expensive to bring in though at the end of the season. I see Souttar as experienced tbh. And Batth just doesn’t suit this system, he couldn’t use him regularly in it. They’re clearly the best 3 for the role and that’s all that matters. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2021 20:56:50 GMT
Is it me or are Wilmot and Ostigard pretty rapid ? It's a long time since I can remember us having that pace at the back ? I'm not sure Wilmot is rapid, Ostigard seems to have some recovery pace. They're all absolute mustard though, I imagine it's a bit of a case of their excellent positioning making them look rapid. Sort of how Jermaine Defoe always looked rapid even though I think a lot of players would have beaten him in a footrace, his movement was just phenomenal. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2021 20:57:41 GMT
Never got the argument he wouldn’t tbh. He signed two of them and Souttar might as well be his signing. Batth is shite in a 3. Chester injured and liable to many brain farts. He had to play them. You think he's a shit manager so surely you'd expect him not to play those 3, if that is indeed the right thing to do? 🤷♂️ |
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Post by houstonsteve on Aug 17, 2021 21:00:33 GMT
its early days but those are the 3 best center half in this division - by a LONG way, and they are all only going to get better as they learn each others games. No question and I don't want any back talk from any of you lot either!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 17, 2021 21:00:43 GMT
Never got the argument he wouldn’t tbh. He signed two of them and Souttar might as well be his signing. Batth is shite in a 3. Chester injured and liable to many brain farts. He had to play them. You think he's a shit manager so surely you'd expect him not to play those 3, if that is indeed the right thing to do? 🤷♂️ He’s said repeatedly that he wants to play from the back and he clearly isn’t a massive fan of Batth. Batth couldn’t play. If he did then yes he would be showing he’s a shit manager. Hopefully he’s learning. Be happy he’s learning. |
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Post by Trouserdog on Aug 17, 2021 21:02:33 GMT
Just made the same point on Twitter.
I was very concerned about 5-3-2 but the three centre backs being so good on the ball is what gives us options. All 3 can bring it out and pass it, so we seem to be getting away with the wing backs and DM not being that great as they just return it to the defenders if someone gets into trouble and we start the move again.
We look solid defensively but also like we can create chances in a few different ways as well. Far better than last season, but we do need to keep a number of key players fit because as soon as Batth and Chester step into that back 3, it's going to really upset the rhythm.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 17, 2021 21:05:23 GMT
Just made the same point on Twitter. I was very concerned about 5-3-2 but the three centre backs being so good on the ball is what gives us options. All 3 can bring it out and pass it, so we seem to be getting away with the wing backs and DM not being that great as they just return it to the defenders if someone gets into trouble and we start the move again. We look solid defensively but also like we can create chances in a few different ways as well. Far better than last season, but we do need to keep a number of key players fit because as soon as Batth and Chester step into that back 3, it's going to really upset the rhythm. Agreed - though I thought Allen had his best game for ages tonight. Positioning was much better, kept it simple and made some timely interceptions. |
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Post by sotexile on Aug 17, 2021 21:06:26 GMT
They were all immense tonight. Super cool with the ball.
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Aug 17, 2021 21:06:37 GMT
Souttar is different gravy.
He’ll be in the Champions League in the not too distant future.
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Post by Trouserdog on Aug 17, 2021 21:08:08 GMT
Just made the same point on Twitter. I was very concerned about 5-3-2 but the three centre backs being so good on the ball is what gives us options. All 3 can bring it out and pass it, so we seem to be getting away with the wing backs and DM not being that great as they just return it to the defenders if someone gets into trouble and we start the move again. We look solid defensively but also like we can create chances in a few different ways as well. Far better than last season, but we do need to keep a number of key players fit because as soon as Batth and Chester step into that back 3, it's going to really upset the rhythm. Agreed - though I thought Allen had his best game for ages tonight. Positioning was much better, kept it simple and made some timely interceptions. Yep...Allen was quality tonight. |
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Post by a on Aug 17, 2021 21:10:51 GMT
You think he's a shit manager so surely you'd expect him not to play those 3, if that is indeed the right thing to do? 🤷♂️ He’s said repeatedly that he wants to play from the back and he clearly isn’t a massive fan of Batth. Batth couldn’t play. If he did then yes he would be showing he’s a shit manager. Hopefully he’s learning. Be happy he’s learning. Why couldn’t Baath play? He was on the bench so I think he could’ve played. Well done O’Neil, he picked the team and we battered a good side. He can’t be that bad then after all |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 17, 2021 21:17:51 GMT
He’s said repeatedly that he wants to play from the back and he clearly isn’t a massive fan of Batth. Batth couldn’t play. If he did then yes he would be showing he’s a shit manager. Hopefully he’s learning. Be happy he’s learning. Why couldn’t Baath play? He was on the bench so I think he could’ve played. Well done O’Neil, he picked the team and we battered a good side. He can’t be that bad then after all Because he’s not comfortable on the ball and looks like the weak link every time he plays in a back 3. This obsession with experience by our fans is very strange especially like in this case where the experience just isn’t suited to what the manager wants. This was clearly the back 3 he wanted. |
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Post by samuel32 on Aug 17, 2021 21:28:21 GMT
I like the way Wilmot plays in exactly the same way you’d expect of a man with hair like that
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Post by lordb on Aug 17, 2021 21:40:29 GMT
Just made the same point on Twitter. I was very concerned about 5-3-2 but the three centre backs being so good on the ball is what gives us options. All 3 can bring it out and pass it, so we seem to be getting away with the wing backs and DM not being that great as they just return it to the defenders if someone gets into trouble and we start the move again. We look solid defensively but also like we can create chances in a few different ways as well. Far better than last season, but we do need to keep a number of key players fit because as soon as Batth and Chester step into that back 3, it's going to really upset the rhythm. Agreed - though I thought Allen had his best game for ages tonight. Positioning was much better, kept it simple and made some timely interceptions. Every pass seemed to be the right one |
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Aug 17, 2021 22:03:39 GMT
I'm glad that this is working so far and I really hope it continues! Ostigard may be expensive to bring in though at the end of the season. If the back 3 continue like the opening games have promised, there's a good chance we'll be in the Premier League anyway... I thought I wouldn't get too over-optimistic this season, but it's hard not to. The good think is, I don't think O'Neill will let the team/squad think they're going to walk any game. |
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Post by foxysgloves on Aug 17, 2021 22:20:33 GMT
I am on record for saying I didn't believe that MON would play them all at the same time, but I'm very glad to be wrong. Its mentioned a lot that top quality wing backs are needed for 3-5-2/5-3-2, but one of the biggest differences for me is having three defenders that are all composed on the ball (as well as Bursik). It opens up so much space when players can look forward, feeling confident that the ball will meet them and not be lost out at the back. I'm sure that we will have games where their relative inexperience costs us, but they have really made the formation much more attacking than I expected it to be. I’m getting serious Cranson, Overson, Sandford vibes. And there’s a definite whiff of Macari off MON. |
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Post by dirtygary69 on Aug 17, 2021 22:29:20 GMT
I am also a 3-5-2 hater but probably because we’ve never had the players to really make it work. Early days, but these three look class. The worry is when one of them gets injured or suspended. Also, Smith and Tymon playing out of their skin every week isn’t going to happen so there’s definitely going to be times when we have to revert to a 4, but hopefully that’s a while off yet.
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Post by The battheader chronicles on Aug 17, 2021 22:33:27 GMT
Souttar is different gravy. He’ll be in the Champions League in the not too distant future. He’s good but he’s not that good. Not a dig but that’s a big jump (Sorry to piss on your chips) 😂😉 |
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Aug 17, 2021 22:35:07 GMT
Souttar is different gravy. He’ll be in the Champions League in the not too distant future. He’s good but he’s not that good. Not a dig but that’s a big jump (Sorry to piss on your chips) 😂😉 He is, not quite yet but I guarantee you he will be a champions league player. He’s a class above Collins for me. |
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Post by spitthedog on Aug 17, 2021 22:44:23 GMT
Agreed - though I thought Allen had his best game for ages tonight. Positioning was much better, kept it simple and made some timely interceptions. Every pass seemed to be the right one He got more time on the ball and that was because of the quality of balls coming to him from the back. He always looks a better player when he is not being hurried. I didn't realise he was playing for the first 20 mins but I don't think he played a bad ball all night? maybe a couple slightly behind the advancing player, that's all. |
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