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Post by Lakeland Potter on Aug 17, 2021 13:05:02 GMT
The Management team have had a lot of stick over recent years but they deserve credit for the amazing job they have done getting rid of almost all of the deadwood this summer. But at what cost? We seem to have contributed a hell of a lot to get clubs to take them off our hands. They're being shifted on at a rate of knots now because the 'buying' clubs are getting them for an almost risk free price. Possibly true. But if someone is not in MON's plans, then paying a percentage of their wages whilst they are out on loan or after a transfer is better for our FFP situation than playing 100% of their wages and not playing them. That is the truth however unpalatable it may be to some of the fan base. If, this season, our team performs better than it did last season, and the wage bill is less, and we have made a big profit on Collins, and brought in a decent replacement for him, that is a successful transfer window whichever way you look at it.
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Post by Absolution on Aug 17, 2021 13:06:12 GMT
But at what cost? We seem to have contributed a hell of a lot to get clubs to take them off our hands. They're being shifted on at a rate of knots now because the 'buying' clubs are getting them for an almost risk free price. The alternative is that they stuck around and stank up the place, costing the same amount whilst unused and then left next summer instead. I know it's frustrating but it really I'd the better "deal" for Stoke for them to just have been got rid of. I'm not arguing with that. It's definitely for the best that we got rid. I just don't see it as an 'amazing job' that they 'deserve credit for'. We're almost literally paying clubs to take them off our hands.
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Post by MrFlirty on Aug 17, 2021 13:15:38 GMT
What Widget123 said
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Post by tqstokie on Aug 17, 2021 13:21:06 GMT
Has he gone yet?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2021 13:21:14 GMT
Yes he’s always given 100% on the pitch and without him we’d probably be playing in League 1 now. I wouldn't say it was just him tbf. He did play a key part in helping drag us along, so he was definitely a key factor in helping keep us up. Anyone saying he wasn't clearly has an agenda. That’s the worst thing about McClean’s time here, he’d done the hard work to earn the respect of a good chunk of the support for his effort and commitment. Yes he’s technically a bit of a donkey, but he deservedly won that supporters POY award IMO and I’m sure a lot of people who voted for him were people who were strongly against his signing. Maybe even people who don’t like his politics. The reason he gets called an idiot is because he only has himself to blame for torching that respect. The guy is, at best, an extreme attention whore, and quite possibly a sociopath. The respect of his own club supporters was clearly not enough for JM. We gave him the respect he claims he desires but he did not respect us back, bringing our club into disrepute with his social media cuntery. Like the “history lesson” post. Ye top banter that was jesus, we’re all just nationalistic bigots for not seeing the humour in that… Let’s not forget that MON, who like JM is a Northern Irish catholic, has also decided JM is a waste of space.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 17, 2021 13:25:45 GMT
17 down, 1 to go!
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Post by cyprus1stokey on Aug 17, 2021 13:31:06 GMT
2,dont forget Ince!!
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 17, 2021 13:41:43 GMT
Who is the 2nd? McLean is no17 out of the door. Only Ince left to go now and maybe Edwards.
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Post by Roger Everyone on Aug 17, 2021 13:58:11 GMT
I really don't get all the hate towards him. He was signed and overall put his everything into each game. Yes he is limited with skill, but that's what we signed. Every village has an idiot, but his behaviour exceeds that of an idiot. He just can't help himself, all his problems seem self created.
Good luck to him, I wonder how long before he is in some sort of trouble again. I predict we get to play him in one of the cup competitions and he will score. Then lift up his shirt to reveal a vale top underneath 😂.
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Post by ceejays on Aug 17, 2021 14:02:41 GMT
I make it 19 have been shipped out with 6 of those on loan . Oh and I am including Gunn as he finished last season on our books
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Post by ceejays on Aug 17, 2021 14:02:55 GMT
I make it 19 have been shipped out with 6 of those on loan . Oh and I am including Gunn as he finished last season on our books
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Post by potterburt on Aug 17, 2021 14:04:57 GMT
The alternative is that they stuck around and stank up the place, costing the same amount whilst unused and then left next summer instead. I know it's frustrating but it really I'd the better "deal" for Stoke for them to just have been got rid of. I'm not arguing with that. It's definitely for the best that we got rid. I just don't see it as an 'amazing job' that they 'deserve credit for'. We're almost literally paying clubs to take them off our hands. But we’re not just paying clubs to take them are we?! Most have gone out on permanent deals, the ones on loan will have (usually) all of their wages covered by the other club. I’m not sure where fans get this odd idea from that we’re spending loads to get rid of players! It’s not based on any truth or insight. Do we always get a decent fee for players - no. Are we a club with a good transfer record / set-up - no. But this transfer window has been polar opposite of what we have ever seen at Stoke, and I don’t think any negative commotions can really be attached.
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Post by dirtclod on Aug 17, 2021 14:22:05 GMT
I wouldn't say it was just him tbf. He did play a key part in helping drag us along, so he was definitely a key factor in helping keep us up. Anyone saying he wasn't clearly has an agenda. That’s the worst thing about McClean’s time here, he’d done the hard work to earn the respect of a good chunk of the support for his effort and commitment. Yes he’s technically a bit of a donkey, but he deservedly won that supporters POY award IMO and I’m sure a lot of people who voted for him were people who were strongly against his signing. Maybe even people who don’t like his politics. The reason he gets called an idiot is because he only has himself to blame for torching that respect. The guy is, at best, an extreme attention whore, and quite possibly a sociopath. The respect of his own club supporters was clearly not enough for JM. We gave him the respect he claims he desires but he did not respect us back, bringing our club into disrepute with his social media cuntery. Like the “history lesson” post. Ye top banter that was jesus, we’re all just nationalistic bigots for not seeing the humour in that… Let’s not forget that MON, who like JM is a Northern Irish catholic, has also decided JM is a waste of space. Agree with this post, especially that 2nd paragraph, the insensitivity of putting that on social media where you KNOW that Stoke supporters will see, some of which I am certain carry emotional/physical wounds from the troubles? (Or know people who do) Hey it isn't really my business what he's teaching his kids at home, (No matter how offensive) but when you POST it on social media? Better call Blackwater - you're gonna need security. He literally put his own kids at risk with that post - damned megalomaniac. Doing that proves that he does more than just LEAN towards extremist views, only question is on what level? Looks extreme to me. And your last sentence: IF MON thinks he's expendable (And I see no evidence that McClean's in MON's plans either) that DOES SAY a lot. Makes me wonder if someone showed MON that "history lesson" post? Because if they did... I see MON as a decent person who would be GREATLY pissed upon seeing something like that. That's a post worthy of kicking someone off a team and terminating a contract for attempting to incite violence, risking national security and being so irresponsible as to put his own family at risk while doing it. He also made Stoke look like the IRA East by harboring/paying this idiot. And I apologize to everyone for my own past posts defending this guy, saying things like "let's judge him on the pitch." Well....we did. [insert buzzer sound here] And this was BEFORE Poppygate and that ....idiotic "history lesson" post. Appreciate your post stokiepmre89 it took guts. Because there are a LOT of good decent people on this MB too. People who are not being unreasonable by being very angry at McClean's "history lesson" post - a post that was MEANT to harm/insult. There are 2 sides to the story, but when you are being paid to play FOOTBALL for Stoke? Do your talking ON the PITCH you tool - something he's failed to do. And FFP now brings us another evil "gift." The possibility of not even being able to get rid of this idiot sooner. Because any other team could have seen that post - starting to make sense that nobody wants him, not just because he's not that great on the pitch, but because he ALSO has serious baggage off it. (And someone please search that bag) So regardless of how people react to YOUR post - it's correct. Edit: Oh...and before anyone hits me with this angle: I never saw any "humor" in McClean's post.
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Post by bertiestan on Aug 17, 2021 14:35:02 GMT
Wigan-bound? I sincerely hope so.....get gone👋👋👋
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 17, 2021 14:42:17 GMT
I really don't get all the hate towards him. He was signed and overall put his everything into each game. Yes he is limited with skill, but that's what we signed. Every village has an idiot, but his behaviour exceeds that of an idiot. He just can't help himself, all his problems seem self created. Good luck to him, I wonder how long before he is in some sort of trouble again. I predict we get to play him in one of the cup competitions and he will score. The lift up his shirt to reveal a vale top underneath 😂. You've answered your own question and in truth, you do get the hate towards him. You go on to explain exactly why he is disliked so much. Put simply, he's trouble and his footballing ability is nowhere near good enough to compensate for everything else that comes with him. The sooner he's gone the better. I believe he's popular among his fellow players but the non-playing staff can't be doing with him. I witnessed that first hand myself at an Academy training session where they wouldn't let him in beyond where other parents were allowed. He played the "do you know who I am" card. The steward claimed not to know who he was and left him outside with the rest of us parents!
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Post by tomcmod on Aug 17, 2021 14:53:06 GMT
I wouldn't say it was just him tbf. He did play a key part in helping drag us along, so he was definitely a key factor in helping keep us up. Anyone saying he wasn't clearly has an agenda. That’s the worst thing about McClean’s time here, he’d done the hard work to earn the respect of a good chunk of the support for his effort and commitment. Yes he’s technically a bit of a donkey, but he deservedly won that supporters POY award IMO and I’m sure a lot of people who voted for him were people who were strongly against his signing. Maybe even people who don’t like his politics. The reason he gets called an idiot is because he only has himself to blame for torching that respect. The guy is, at best, an extreme attention whore, and quite possibly a sociopath. The respect of his own club supporters was clearly not enough for JM. We gave him the respect he claims he desires but he did not respect us back, bringing our club into disrepute with his social media cuntery. Like the “history lesson” post. Ye top banter that was jesus, we’re all just nationalistic bigots for not seeing the humour in that… Let’s not forget that MON, who like JM is a Northern Irish catholic, has also decided JM is a waste of space. Oh I agree his social media stuff is beyond stupid, that's why I put it in my original post. However what I will say is I reckon about half the people pissed off with McClean/abuse him will not even know what his posts are about. That is where the issue lies. I was in the Boothen at cup game and he was down by the corner flag infront, when a grown man, probably 40-50 was shouting abuse at him. A few of us told him to shut up to which he replied he deserves it. Our own fans abusing our own player, this was before the stuff he posted too. I find it ironic when these fans will be giving him abuse for posting idiotic things when they were already abusing him/saying idiotic things for a point of view on the poppy. Whilst he is an idiot for the stuff he has posted so are some of our fans, as this thread has clearly shown.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Aug 17, 2021 15:16:32 GMT
The alternative is that they stuck around and stank up the place, costing the same amount whilst unused and then left next summer instead. I know it's frustrating but it really I'd the better "deal" for Stoke for them to just have been got rid of. I'm not arguing with that. It's definitely for the best that we got rid. I just don't see it as an 'amazing job' that they 'deserve credit for'. We're almost literally paying clubs to take them off our hands. Basically Scholes is tidying up the complete mess he helped create. I am however glad that he has started to do something about it. Just a shame we spunked all our money on shyte when we got relegated. Ah well no point crying over spilt milk I suppose.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2021 15:36:12 GMT
I really don't get all the hate towards him. He was signed and overall put his everything into each game. Yes he is limited with skill, but that's what we signed. Every village has an idiot, but his behaviour exceeds that of an idiot. He just can't help himself, all his problems seem self created. Good luck to him, I wonder how long before he is in some sort of trouble again. I predict we get to play him in one of the cup competitions and he will score. The lift up his shirt to reveal a vale top underneath 😂. Or a Bobby Sands tattoo.
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Post by gaznandi on Aug 17, 2021 15:43:24 GMT
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Post by chigstoke on Aug 17, 2021 15:55:44 GMT
So aside from Ince, how many are left of Hughes, Lamberts, Rowetts and Jones stints?
Off top of my head, Ince, Batth, Smith, Clucas, then I’m legitimately struggling to think of any others.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 17, 2021 16:06:39 GMT
So aside from Ince, how many are left of Hughes, Lamberts, Rowetts and Jones stints? Off top of my head, Ince, Batth, Smith, Clucas, then I’m legitimately struggling to think of any others. How could you possibly forget Joe Allen?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2021 16:07:14 GMT
So aside from Ince, how many are left of Hughes, Lamberts, Rowetts and Jones stints? Off top of my head, Ince, Batth, Smith, Clucas, then I’m legitimately struggling to think of any others. Afobe. Think he still has another year when he comes back.
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Post by etebojan on Aug 17, 2021 16:14:53 GMT
So aside from Ince, how many are left of Hughes, Lamberts, Rowetts and Jones stints? Off top of my head, Ince, Batth, Smith, Clucas, then I’m legitimately struggling to think of any others. Jones signed Powell i think?
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Post by Gary Hackett on Aug 17, 2021 16:16:25 GMT
So aside from Ince, how many are left of Hughes, Lamberts, Rowetts and Jones stints? Off top of my head, Ince, Batth, Smith, Clucas, then I’m legitimately struggling to think of any others. Tymon, Davies, Powell There's still loads.
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 17, 2021 16:23:49 GMT
Interesting to see if he gets the 'thanks for your contribution and good luck' on the official site or a more curt Wimmer/Bauer-type farewell.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Aug 17, 2021 16:26:16 GMT
Interesting to see if he gets the 'thanks for your contribution and good luck' on the official site or a more curt Wimmer/Bauer-type farewell. I'm hoping it's going to be restricted to less than 10 words.
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Post by gaznandi on Aug 17, 2021 16:27:43 GMT
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 17, 2021 16:29:01 GMT
Interesting to see if he gets the 'thanks for your contribution and good luck' on the official site or a more curt Wimmer/Bauer-type farewell. I'm hoping it's going to be restricted to less than 10 words. Yeah - think it'll be less than 20, and as cold as ice
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Post by gaznandi on Aug 17, 2021 16:30:06 GMT
I'm hoping it's going to be restricted to less than 10 words. Yeah - think it'll be less than 20, and as cold as ice Has there ever been a "Good Fucking Riddance"?
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 17, 2021 16:33:22 GMT
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