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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 17, 2021 7:55:16 GMT
Assuming we can't shift Ince, today may be the end of The Great Bomb Squad Clearout of 2021.
Would think we've had to give him a significant pay-out though, to ease the way to Wigan
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 17, 2021 8:00:54 GMT
Can’t believe a club would want him back He was their player of the year when he was there a think, so they'll have unusually fond memories of him.
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Post by monkeycat on Aug 17, 2021 8:27:32 GMT
Can’t believe a club would want him back He was their player of the year when he was there a think, so they'll have unusually fond memories of him. He had a great season for us a couple of years ago but he is too much of an idiot too much baggage
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Aug 17, 2021 8:37:10 GMT
He was their player of the year when he was there a think, so they'll have unusually fond memories of him. He had a great season for us a couple of years ago but he is too much of an idiot too much baggage I think he was made to look better because he actually ran alot and the rest of our team were absolutely fucking useless that season but I get your point.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2021 8:45:32 GMT
He was their player of the year when he was there a think, so they'll have unusually fond memories of him. He had a great season for us a couple of years ago but he is too much of an idiot too much baggage He was hardly great. His effort just stood out more than the lazy bastards he was playing with.
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Post by paulstoke1 on Aug 17, 2021 8:54:50 GMT
Plodder with 1 trick .tried hard but he had too its all he had
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Post by thevoid on Aug 17, 2021 9:20:46 GMT
Can’t believe a club would want him back I thought Wigan were ambitious....
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Post by thevoid on Aug 17, 2021 9:21:26 GMT
Can’t believe a club would want him back He was their player of the year when he was there a think, so they'll have unusually fond memories of him. He was our player of the year 🤔
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Post by J-Roar on Aug 17, 2021 9:33:16 GMT
Can’t believe a club would want him back I thought Wigan were ambitious.... They are getting an international who knows the club for next to nothing given we'll be paying a chunk of his wages in the form of a payout. He should be ok for them for a season to get them out of the division.
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Post by monkeycat on Aug 17, 2021 9:42:01 GMT
He had a great season for us a couple of years ago but he is too much of an idiot too much baggage He was hardly great. His effort just stood out more than the lazy bastards he was playing with. Compared to the rest of the team
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Post by potterburt on Aug 17, 2021 9:47:27 GMT
Assuming we can't shift Ince, today may be the end of The Great Bomb Squad Clearout of 2021. Would think we've had to give him a significant pay-out though, to ease the way to Wigan I’m not so sure on the significant pay-out. Think It would be a solid argument and justification for motive to move now is that by end of his Stoke contract he’s 33 and in that he can either have a 2 year contract at a club now with fond memories and likely play each week for most of that time which is commutable so family don’t have to move. Or his career effectively ends here and now with a drab dull ending. Whether McClean is overly motivated by money or not, his agent will be - so even if we paid a lump sum of £200k or eve half a years wages of £500k say and got him on his way, it’s better than paying out £1m to keep a bad smell around. It then frees us up around £12k a week of ffp to put on/towards another wanted player.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2021 9:59:19 GMT
He was their player of the year when he was there a think, so they'll have unusually fond memories of him. He had a great season for us a couple of years ago but he is too much of an idiot too much baggage He's far fro an idiot but totally burned his bridges with MON. Looked like he was going to Hibs for a while but got a nice place here in Cheshire so Wigan would make sense.
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Post by tomcmod on Aug 17, 2021 10:16:02 GMT
Can't believe the amount of stick he is getting on here. Whenever he's played he's always put 100% effort in and had a few really good games. Helped drag us along, playing with knocks to help out the team. The Sheffield Wednesday game a key one for people and he was also key in it with his determination. Yeah he's an idiot with some social media stuff but for the club he's always tried his best. He isn't prem class and he'd probably be the first to admit it. Falling out with the manager will mean he has to leave but I certainly won't be one of the morons who would boo him if he played against us.
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Post by roylandstoke on Aug 17, 2021 10:25:28 GMT
He is an aging, poor football player who has shown contempt for the management and the fans of the club who pay his wages.
I am not surprised by the lack of interest in him from other clubs.
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Post by homer32 on Aug 17, 2021 10:26:00 GMT
Can't believe the amount of stick he is getting on here. Whenever he's played he's always put 100% effort in and had a few really good games. Helped drag us along, playing with knocks to help out the team. The Sheffield Wednesday game a key one for people and he was also key in it with his determination. Yeah he's an idiot with some social media stuff but for the club he's always tried his best. He isn't prem class and he'd probably be the first to admit it. Falling out with the manager will mean he has to leave but I certainly won't be one of the morons who would boo him if he played against us. Yes he’s always given 100% on the pitch and without him we’d probably be playing in League 1 now.
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Post by lordb on Aug 17, 2021 10:28:10 GMT
He was their player of the year when he was there a think, so they'll have unusually fond memories of him. He had a great season for us a couple of years ago but he is too much of an idiot too much baggage shhh! Wigan have a different perception - lets not disabuse of them of that (until the deal is done) -
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Post by cousindupree on Aug 17, 2021 10:31:24 GMT
He had a great season for us a couple of years ago but he is too much of an idiot too much baggage He's far fro an idiot but totally burned his bridges with MON. Looked like he was going to Hibs for a while but got a nice place here in Cheshire so Wigan would make sense. Far from an Idiot? Someone who goes against the advice of his manager, alienates a huge proportion of the fan base and club that pays his salary, alienates huge swathes of the football watching public with his pro IRA/Anti English sentiments and brings online abuse to his wife and family with dickhead Instagram posts.....is in my mind pretty much an Idiot or at best has sociopathic traits. I would be fascinated to hear the counter argument. As for Wigan, maybe like much in football the owners don't have a moral compass and might sign him. Any 5 minuute browse through his off pitch activity in the past couple of years would suggest he isn't worth the hassle he brings. The sooner he is gone from my club the better.
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Post by scfc75 on Aug 17, 2021 10:51:44 GMT
He's far fro an idiot but totally burned his bridges with MON. Looked like he was going to Hibs for a while but got a nice place here in Cheshire so Wigan would make sense. Far from an Idiot? Someone who goes against the advice of his manager, alienates a huge proportion of the fan base and club that pays his salary, alienates huge swathes of the football watching public with his pro IRA/Anti English sentiments and brings online abuse to his wife and family with dickhead Instagram posts.....is in my mind pretty much an Idiot or at best has sociopathic traits. I would be fascinated to hear the counter argument. As for Wigan, maybe like much in football the owners don't have a moral compass and might sign him. Any 5 minuute browse through his off pitch activity in the past couple of years would suggest he isn't worth the hassle he brings. The sooner he is gone from my club the better. Anyone who whines like a bitch when he gets abuse whilst posting stuff on social media that is designed to be inflammatory is, by definition, an idiot. Admittedly some of the abuse he gets is way OTT but still… if you want a quiet life, just be quiet.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2021 10:53:15 GMT
Can't believe the amount of stick he is getting on here. Whenever he's played he's always put 100% effort in and had a few really good games. Helped drag us along, playing with knocks to help out the team. The Sheffield Wednesday game a key one for people and he was also key in it with his determination. Yeah he's an idiot with some social media stuff but for the club he's always tried his best. He isn't prem class and he'd probably be the first to admit it. Falling out with the manager will mean he has to leave but I certainly won't be one of the morons who would boo him if he played against us. Yes he’s always given 100% on the pitch and without him we’d probably be playing in League 1 now. Absolute bollocks.
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Post by tomcmod on Aug 17, 2021 10:56:12 GMT
Can't believe the amount of stick he is getting on here. Whenever he's played he's always put 100% effort in and had a few really good games. Helped drag us along, playing with knocks to help out the team. The Sheffield Wednesday game a key one for people and he was also key in it with his determination. Yeah he's an idiot with some social media stuff but for the club he's always tried his best. He isn't prem class and he'd probably be the first to admit it. Falling out with the manager will mean he has to leave but I certainly won't be one of the morons who would boo him if he played against us. Yes he’s always given 100% on the pitch and without him we’d probably be playing in League 1 now. I wouldn't say it was just him tbf. He did play a key part in helping drag us along, so he was definitely a key factor in helping keep us up. Anyone saying he wasn't clearly has an agenda.
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Post by spitthedog on Aug 17, 2021 11:13:42 GMT
Yes he’s always given 100% on the pitch and without him we’d probably be playing in League 1 now. I wouldn't say it was just him tbf. He did play a key part in helping drag us along, so he was definitely a key factor in helping keep us up. Anyone saying he wasn't clearly has an agenda. He definitely played a major role in keeping us in the Championship. Anything else is rewriting history, or their own hang ups.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2021 11:33:18 GMT
Far from an Idiot? Someone who goes against the advice of his manager, alienates a huge proportion of the fan base and club that pays his salary, alienates huge swathes of the football watching public with his pro IRA/Anti English sentiments and brings online abuse to his wife and family with dickhead Instagram posts.....is in my mind pretty much an Idiot or at best has sociopathic traits. I would be fascinated to hear the counter argument. As for Wigan, maybe like much in football the owners don't have a moral compass and might sign him. Any 5 minuute browse through his off pitch activity in the past couple of years would suggest he isn't worth the hassle he brings. The sooner he is gone from my club the better. Anyone who whines like a bitch when he gets abuse whilst posting stuff on social media that is designed to be inflammatory is, by definition, an idiot. Admittedly some of the abuse he gets is way OTT but still… if you want a quiet life, just be quiet. So you're comparing banter to death treats? Run that idiot comment by again. Bit ironic. Anyway been done to death and like talking to a plank in some cases
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Post by scfc75 on Aug 17, 2021 11:59:22 GMT
Anyone who whines like a bitch when he gets abuse whilst posting stuff on social media that is designed to be inflammatory is, by definition, an idiot. Admittedly some of the abuse he gets is way OTT but still… if you want a quiet life, just be quiet. So you're comparing banter to death treats? Run that idiot comment by again. Bit ironic. Anyway been done to death and like talking to a plank in some cases I’m not sure where you think I did that.
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Post by thevoid on Aug 17, 2021 12:05:38 GMT
So you're comparing banter to death treats? Run that idiot comment by again. Bit ironic. Anyway been done to death and like talking to a plank in some cases I’m not sure where you think I did that. I'm wondering what a 'death treat' is, or is he typing in an Irish dialect?
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Post by hardcastle on Aug 17, 2021 12:06:52 GMT
Assuming we can't shift Ince, today may be the end of The Great Bomb Squad Clearout of 2021. Would think we've had to give him a significant pay-out though, to ease the way to Wigan Why do assume that we can't shift Tom Ince? Decent reputation at Championship level, l'd have thought. We'd have to contribute to his wages, of course, but whatever the loaning club can afford would help us to fund the cost of a loanee that we want in.
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Post by awrypotter on Aug 17, 2021 12:22:59 GMT
He rightly asks for respect but then is not prepared to give any in return. Playing through injury when advised not to by the people who pay his wages and then refusing to apologise is disrespectful and hypocritical. Anyone with that attitude should not be at this great club of ours. You can forgive an idiot for not understanding but his actions seem to be intended to offend.
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Post by Widget123 on Aug 17, 2021 12:27:41 GMT
McClean wasn't that bad a player - we've had far worse in recent years and always seemed a "rehabilitation project" like Pennant was only without the successful rehabilitation. Despite his work rate and apparent willingness when on the pitch (and pretty average ability it has to be said) the sheer volume of baggage he comes with makes him far more hassle than he's worth.
I agree with scfc75 that he appears to have a complete disconnect between the reality of making obviously inflammatory posts online and in interviews and then claiming that as its all his opinion he's perfectly entitled to voice them without any sort of understanding that in the same manner people are entitled to either ignore him or make a contradictory opinion. Of course its often the case that both points of view are either stupid, wrong or deliberate attempts to just wind up the opposite side the argument.
If he actually had a working social pr brain-cell he would moderate his output to ensure a smooth career but instead he chooses to deliberately throw fuel onto the fire of public opinion of himself like an immolating monk-wannabe. Which totally consumes the time and energy of the manager and club trying to sort it all out.
The sooner he's someone else's problem the better.
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Post by MrFlirty on Aug 17, 2021 12:47:59 GMT
The Management team have had a lot of stick over recent years but they deserve credit for the amazing job they have done getting rid of almost all of the deadwood this summer.
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Post by Absolution on Aug 17, 2021 12:54:54 GMT
The Management team have had a lot of stick over recent years but they deserve credit for the amazing job they have done getting rid of almost all of the deadwood this summer. But at what cost? We seem to have contributed a hell of a lot to get clubs to take them off our hands. They're being shifted on at a rate of knots now because the 'buying' clubs are getting them for an almost risk free price.
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Post by Widget123 on Aug 17, 2021 12:58:48 GMT
The Management team have had a lot of stick over recent years but they deserve credit for the amazing job they have done getting rid of almost all of the deadwood this summer. But at what cost? We seem to have contributed a hell of a lot to get clubs to take them off our hands. They're being shifted on at a rate of knots now because the 'buying' clubs are getting them for an almost risk free price. The alternative is that they stuck around and stank up the place, costing the same amount whilst unused and then left next summer instead. I know it's frustrating but it really is the better "deal" for Stoke for them to just have been got rid of.
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