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Post by moon on Aug 18, 2021 4:49:59 GMT
Good riddance
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Post by GeneralFaye on Aug 18, 2021 5:13:14 GMT
I'm not one to hold grudges, they're tiresome and more trouble than they're worth. However, I'd be quite happy to never see or here about him ever again.
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Post by thevoid on Aug 18, 2021 6:09:49 GMT
I knew the old charity defence would crop up, as though that makes someone nice by default (Ron and Reg, another famous Jimmy)
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Post by realstokebloke on Aug 18, 2021 6:40:31 GMT
To this day, I am still byeond flabbergasted that the top floor sanctioned his signing, no matter how badly the manager wanted him.
In an absolute shitfest of poor transfer deals recently, he is right down there, amongst the very, very worst.
Thank fuck he's gone.
Simple as that.
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Post by foxysgloves on Aug 18, 2021 7:45:02 GMT
If you don’t like the hate just stay quiet and hope people leave you alone? Is that what you’re suggesting? Not at all. I was suggesting that some of the comments & photos posted by himself on his infamous Instagram account have cause enough of the vitriol aimed at him They have but he experiences that pretty much every match day. Must be hard to listen to that level of abuse without giving some response. That doesn’t make him right but I think it’s understandable and perhaps even forgivable.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2021 7:50:24 GMT
Not at all. I was suggesting that some of the comments & photos posted by himself on his infamous Instagram account have cause enough of the vitriol aimed at him They have but he experiences that pretty much every match day. Must be hard to listen to that level of abuse without giving some response. That doesn’t make him right but I think it’s understandable and perhaps even forgivable. He has brought pretty much every single bit of abuse he gets on himself. Zero sympathy for the bloke and I'm obviously not alone when I say "thank fuck he is out of our club at last". I said it before he signed and its always been the case with him, that his "talents" on the pitch have never made all the shit show that follows him around worth it.
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Post by wearestoke80 on Aug 18, 2021 7:55:53 GMT
Good riddance. Complete fucking idiot
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Post by northstaffycher on Aug 18, 2021 8:03:04 GMT
Very pleased. Of course he will now have learned his lesson about all the attention seeking off-pitch shenanigans.
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Post by foxysgloves on Aug 18, 2021 8:04:07 GMT
Scumbag - a contemptible or objectionable person. That is the definition on Google. Whether or not you feel it describes James or not is open to discussion. I can see why some would use it to describe him. To the guy who is trying to defend James McClean because his partners from Derry. All I've got to say is there are many footballers from Derry who have featured in the top divisions from Derry and don't behave how James does. There are even footballers such as Neil Lennon who regularly received death threats, bullets through the post and hostility and still don't behave how James McClean does. Just because he's from Derry doesn't give any excuse for his behaviour. The whole "anti Irish" stuff he bangs on about season after season is pathetic as well and just part of his self centred narcissist personality. Why do we not see players such as Roy Keane, Robbie Keane, Seamous Coleman, Shay Given, Damian Duff and Shane Duffy receiving this same anti Irish treatment which James often mentions? It's because none of it is "anti Irish" in anyway, it's anti James McClean and he brings it all on himself with his unprofessional behaviour which has followed him throughout his career. It's like John Terry coming out and asking the FA for support for anti English behaviour because of the treatment he's received from fans. But at least John has enough wit about him to realise it's got nothing to do with his nationality but instead his personality and actions. Personality aside, what I will say is. He's a courageous footballer on the pitch who battles like a lion and gives 100% and he's an excellent servant to his national team also. I can't fault him for effort as he always gives his all on the pitch and that's all you can ask for. But anyone who comes in here and tries to defend his actions off the pitch is just as delirious as James himself. I do accept that some of the abuse he has received at times is out of line and I condemn that. However any stick he has received throughout the years is mostly down to his own actions and he needs to take accountability for that rather than always playing the victim. “Why do we not see players such as Roy Keane, Robbie Keane, Seamous Coleman, Shay Given, Damian Duff and Shane Duffy receiving this same anti Irish treatment which James often mentions? It's because none of it is "anti Irish" in anyway” Seriously? www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.rte.ie/amp/1239685/www.google.ie/amp/s/www.sportsjoe.ie/amp/football/richard-dunne-reveals-the-anti-irish-abuse-he-faced-at-stamford-bridge-187815www.donegallive.ie/news/donegal-news/40120/Coleman-subjected-to-on-line-abuse.htmlIt happens all the time.
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Post by gawa on Aug 18, 2021 9:22:12 GMT
Scumbag - a contemptible or objectionable person. That is the definition on Google. Whether or not you feel it describes James or not is open to discussion. I can see why some would use it to describe him. To the guy who is trying to defend James McClean because his partners from Derry. All I've got to say is there are many footballers from Derry who have featured in the top divisions from Derry and don't behave how James does. There are even footballers such as Neil Lennon who regularly received death threats, bullets through the post and hostility and still don't behave how James McClean does. Just because he's from Derry doesn't give any excuse for his behaviour. The whole "anti Irish" stuff he bangs on about season after season is pathetic as well and just part of his self centred narcissist personality. Why do we not see players such as Roy Keane, Robbie Keane, Seamous Coleman, Shay Given, Damian Duff and Shane Duffy receiving this same anti Irish treatment which James often mentions? It's because none of it is "anti Irish" in anyway, it's anti James McClean and he brings it all on himself with his unprofessional behaviour which has followed him throughout his career. It's like John Terry coming out and asking the FA for support for anti English behaviour because of the treatment he's received from fans. But at least John has enough wit about him to realise it's got nothing to do with his nationality but instead his personality and actions. Personality aside, what I will say is. He's a courageous footballer on the pitch who battles like a lion and gives 100% and he's an excellent servant to his national team also. I can't fault him for effort as he always gives his all on the pitch and that's all you can ask for. But anyone who comes in here and tries to defend his actions off the pitch is just as delirious as James himself. I do accept that some of the abuse he has received at times is out of line and I condemn that. However any stick he has received throughout the years is mostly down to his own actions and he needs to take accountability for that rather than always playing the victim. “Why do we not see players such as Roy Keane, Robbie Keane, Seamous Coleman, Shay Given, Damian Duff and Shane Duffy receiving this same anti Irish treatment which James often mentions? It's because none of it is "anti Irish" in anyway” Seriously? www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.rte.ie/amp/1239685/www.google.ie/amp/s/www.sportsjoe.ie/amp/football/richard-dunne-reveals-the-anti-irish-abuse-he-faced-at-stamford-bridge-187815www.donegallive.ie/news/donegal-news/40120/Coleman-subjected-to-on-line-abuse.htmlIt happens all the time. I've went through the 3 articles which you've provided, which date back nearly 10 years. And within them I can see two people were called an "Irish cunt". Sorry but as someone who is Irish, and has been called an "Irish cunt" before, I don't really see it as an anti Irish form of abuse. Similarly I've called people Scottish cunts, tall cunts and ginger cunts. But in none of those scenarios was I being anti Scottish, anti tall or anti ginger. It was simply used as an adjective before the word cunt and nothing more.
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Post by thevoid on Aug 18, 2021 9:25:40 GMT
Not at all. I was suggesting that some of the comments & photos posted by himself on his infamous Instagram account have cause enough of the vitriol aimed at him They have but he experiences that pretty much every match day. Must be hard to listen to that level of abuse without giving some response. That doesn’t make him right but I think it’s understandable and perhaps even forgivable. There's giving it back and then there's quoting Bobby Sands. There's a million and one other things he could've posted instead that would've gained more sympathy. He crossed a line- and did more dog whistling than Barbara Woodhouse.
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Post by foxysgloves on Aug 18, 2021 9:37:18 GMT
I've went through the 3 articles which you've provided, which date back nearly 10 years. And within them I can see two people were called an "Irish cunt". Sorry but as someone who is Irish, and has been called an "Irish cunt" before, I don't really see it as an anti Irish form of abuse. Similarly I've called people Scottish cunts, tall cunts and ginger cunts. But in none of those scenarios was I being anti Scottish, anti tall or anti ginger. It was simply used as an adjective before the word cunt and nothing more. Words fail me.
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Post by foxysgloves on Aug 18, 2021 9:42:53 GMT
They have but he experiences that pretty much every match day. Must be hard to listen to that level of abuse without giving some response. That doesn’t make him right but I think it’s understandable and perhaps even forgivable. There's giving it back and then there's quoting Bobby Sands. There's a million and one other things he could've posted instead that would've gained more sympathy. He crossed a line- and did more dog whistling than Barbara Woodhouse. Why is it such a crime to quote Bobby Sands? To a person of McLeans background Bobby Sands is iconic and symbolic of what they perceive as a centuries long struggle against the occupation of an Imperial power.
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Post by Waggy on Aug 18, 2021 10:04:12 GMT
I've went through the 3 articles which you've provided, which date back nearly 10 years. And within them I can see two people were called an "Irish cunt". Sorry but as someone who is Irish, and has been called an "Irish cunt" before, I don't really see it as an anti Irish form of abuse. Similarly I've called people Scottish cunts, tall cunts and ginger cunts. But in none of those scenarios was I being anti Scottish, anti tall or anti ginger. It was simply used as an adjective before the word cunt and nothing more. [ I get called a ‘cunt’ most days driving up and down the A50. If everyone studied the highway code then they would know it's not me being a c word.
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Post by robrigo on Aug 18, 2021 10:08:24 GMT
I’m over the moon he’s gone and I’m over the moon that we are nearly rid of the majority of players that had no future at this club.
I’ll stop short at aiming insults- I’m just glad that our club is beginning to move forward again. It’s obvious that we are finally moving back in the right direction.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Aug 18, 2021 10:15:32 GMT
There's giving it back and then there's quoting Bobby Sands. There's a million and one other things he could've posted instead that would've gained more sympathy. He crossed a line- and did more dog whistling than Barbara Woodhouse. Why is it such a crime to quote Bobby Sands? To a person of McLeans background Bobby Sands is iconic and symbolic of what they perceive as a centuries long struggle against the occupation of an Imperial power. Would you think it acceptable for say a Muslim playing professionally in the US to post pictures and quotes in support of Bin Lauden? At best he’s guilty of gross insensitivity
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Post by foxysgloves on Aug 18, 2021 10:24:27 GMT
Why is it such a crime to quote Bobby Sands? To a person of McLeans background Bobby Sands is iconic and symbolic of what they perceive as a centuries long struggle against the occupation of an Imperial power. Would you think it acceptable for say a Muslim playing professionally in the US to post pictures and quotes in support of Bin Lauden? At best he’s guilty of gross insensitivity Bobby Sands was an elected MP.
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Post by werrington on Aug 18, 2021 10:28:35 GMT
He’s gone so let’s leave it all in the past and move on as everything has been discussed over the last 3 years
We seem to be on the cusp of a fresh, bright new era so let’s embrace that instead
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Aug 18, 2021 10:31:11 GMT
Would you think it acceptable for say a Muslim playing professionally in the US to post pictures and quotes in support of Bin Lauden? At best he’s guilty of gross insensitivity Bobby Sands was an elected MP. What your point, he was a member of the IRA? Does being elected somehow legitimise his views or actions?
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Post by foxysgloves on Aug 18, 2021 10:37:56 GMT
Bobby Sands was an elected MP. What your point, he was a member of the IRA? Does being elected somehow legitimise his views or actions? There’s a big difference between Bin Laden and someone elected to Parliament in my opinion. But then that’s the thing isn’t it? It’s all about opinion and point of view.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Aug 18, 2021 10:50:54 GMT
What your point, he was a member of the IRA? Does being elected somehow legitimise his views or actions? There’s a big difference between Bin Laden and someone elected to Parliament in my opinion. But then that’s the thing isn’t it? It’s all about opinion and point of view. I agree but McCleans lack of sensitivity here, means for me he deserves very little sympathy. Other Irish players may hold the same views but they don’t go out of their way to antagonise the very people that are employing them. It’s crass insensitive and stupidity at best
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Post by foxysgloves on Aug 18, 2021 10:55:58 GMT
There’s a big difference between Bin Laden and someone elected to Parliament in my opinion. But then that’s the thing isn’t it? It’s all about opinion and point of view. I agree but McCleans lack of sensitivity here, means for me he deserves very little sympathy. Other Irish players may hold the same views but they don’t go out of their way to antagonise the very people that are employing them. It’s crass insensitive and stupidity at best There’s no doubt that he fans the flames, intentionally or unintentionally. But I guess his particular background and upbringing have had an impact.
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Post by peterpan1 on Aug 18, 2021 11:03:06 GMT
Credit where it is due, the top brass have listened to the fans and done a good job of removing unwanted players. A couple more arrivals and I don't think anyone could complain at this tranfer window.
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Post by thevoid on Aug 18, 2021 12:13:17 GMT
There's giving it back and then there's quoting Bobby Sands. There's a million and one other things he could've posted instead that would've gained more sympathy. He crossed a line- and did more dog whistling than Barbara Woodhouse. Why is it such a crime to quote Bobby Sands? To a person of McLeans background Bobby Sands is iconic and symbolic of what they perceive as a centuries long struggle against the occupation of an Imperial power. Because he's playing for a British club, and one that prides itself on it's links to the British Armed Forces. As I said before there are a million and one other ways he could've made his point rather than referencing an organisation that killed people in this country. Oh, and as you're his unelected spokesperson you could at least try and spell his name correctly....
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Post by foxysgloves on Aug 18, 2021 12:24:29 GMT
Why is it such a crime to quote Bobby Sands? To a person of McLeans background Bobby Sands is iconic and symbolic of what they perceive as a centuries long struggle against the occupation of an Imperial power. Because he's playing for a British club, and one that prides itself on it's links to the British Armed Forces. As I said before there are a million and one other ways he could've made his point rather than referencing an organisation that killed people in this country. Oh, and as you're his unelected spokesperson you could at least try and spell his name correctly.... Not his spokesperson at all. I don’t share his political views nor do I think his use of social media is always well judged. But I do respect the fact that he comes from an area where many people have a very different view of the British Army than many Stoke fans. I guess when you’ve seen innocent people killed indiscriminately by an occupying Armed Force that can happen.
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Post by holdmedelilah on Aug 18, 2021 16:42:29 GMT
Credit where it is due, the top brass have listened to the fans and done a good job of removing unwanted players. A couple more arrivals and I don't think anyone could complain at this tranfer window. I know there’s always moaners but it’s hard to see how anyone could complain about this transfer window as it stands. Both in terms of outgoing and incoming players it’s been a really good window for us. OK, one or two more of these decent signings would be great…but esp in these days of FFP that’s very much cream with a cherry on the top.
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Post by thischarmingmanc on Aug 18, 2021 16:44:03 GMT
Bobby Sands was an elected MP. What your point, he was a member of the IRA? Does being elected somehow legitimise his views or actions? The conflict with the IRA ended 20 years ago. Put it down.
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Post by dirtclod on Aug 18, 2021 16:48:13 GMT
Agree, but McClean needs told that as well.
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Post by Billybigbollox on Aug 18, 2021 16:50:14 GMT
I've went through the 3 articles which you've provided, which date back nearly 10 years. And within them I can see two people were called an "Irish cunt". Sorry but as someone who is Irish, and has been called an "Irish cunt" before, I don't really see it as an anti Irish form of abuse. Similarly I've called people Scottish cunts, tall cunts and ginger cunts. But in none of those scenarios was I being anti Scottish, anti tall or anti ginger. It was simply used as an adjective before the word cunt and nothing more. [ I get called a ‘cunt’ most days driving up and down the A50. If everyone studied the highway code then they would know it's not me being a c word. Just look the other way when you go past Sharon and Wendy Colin. 👍
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Aug 18, 2021 21:01:08 GMT
Nice classy messages from him and his wife on social media, he’s a very limited footballer who generally gave his all and he’s finally off the wage bill. Everyone’s a winner, time to move on….. He's better than a "very limited footballer" - that often seems to be used on this board as some sort of backhanded compliment. Looking at social media, he seems to be popular with teammates old and recent too. I agree with this. You can't play as many games as he has done in the top two english leagues without being a very good footballer. I would like to thank him for his contribution to Stoke City, the fact that he always gave maximum effort on the pitch, and for being player of the season the season before last. He has also always been very generous in his support for good causes and those less privileged than himself, both in north Staffordshire and in his home community. The fact that he is of course not the first or only footballer to do so, doesn't detract from the credit for that. He is a decent bloke, who is popular in the dressing room. We are all the products of our backgrounds, and if you combine that with the public profile of a footballer who has a willingness to express views on non-football issues, you will inevitably attract attention and some hostility. In that respect he is similar to Marcus Rashford, although of course the issues and the personalities are different. But they have both suffered personal abuse on social media because of it, but have strong enough personalities not to be silenced by it. That said, I certainly think some of his social media posts have been very unwise and ill-judged, and made me shake my head, but I suppose it's all part of the same personality package. Our colleagues in the Wigan Supporters Trust were very grateful for his donation when fighting for their club - a rare but welcome gesture from a former player - now a current player once again, so probably a very good move for him and both clubs, given that, for whatever reason, he was no longer part of MON's plans. It is apparent from this thread that not all my fellow Stokies agree with all of the above, but this will be my only contribution to this particular debate, because it's not a topic I feel is worth arguing with fellow fans about. Players come and players go, some we like, some we don't, some we disagree about, but we share a passionate commitment to Stoke City, and I for one am optimistic about the season ahead with the squad we now have, which is the most important thing.
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