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Clucas?
Jun 6, 2021 10:59:08 GMT
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Post by werrington on Jun 6, 2021 10:59:08 GMT
In an ideal world but will that fee be bigger than any signing on fees / loyalty bonuses / wages payoff we have to then give him. I’d expect 2/3m quid so I’d hope not. And if they won’t pay it.....then what?
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Post by iglugluk on Jun 6, 2021 11:11:54 GMT
I’d expect 2/3m quid so I’d hope not. And if they won’t pay it.....then what? We get rid of him for free anyway because we need high earners off the books asap?
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Jun 6, 2021 11:26:12 GMT
When fit he's our best midfielder. I don't see how we justify him going for free?
Yes wages off the books but who's replacing him, Thompson?
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Post by tachyon on Jun 6, 2021 11:29:41 GMT
End of 2019/20 was the last chance for any bargaining power re Clucas.
He scored 11 goals from 5.9 xG (0.13 xG/90), an over performance of around 90%.
He's averaged 0.12 xG/90 across his career, so 2019/20 was a standout headline "goals scored" figure that he was never likely to get anywhere near again.
His xG/90 & likely minutes played are on an age related decline. (He'll be 31 and two years outside his peak of perfromance levels in 4 months).
He has other attributes & he had a decent season in 2020/21 (if you ignore that he could only get on the pitch for 1745 minutes), but only a seriously inept recruitment setup would consider him a "must have".
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2021 11:37:27 GMT
Surprised we are so willing to lose him, if freeing up his wages allowed us to get Powell a new deal however I'd be all over it.
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Clucas?
Jun 6, 2021 11:58:23 GMT
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Post by followyoudown on Jun 6, 2021 11:58:23 GMT
In an ideal world but will that fee be bigger than any signing on fees / loyalty bonuses / wages payoff we have to then give him. I’d expect 2/3m quid so I’d hope not. Anyone getting that kind of fee would be into statue building terrority.
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Post by yyy on Jun 6, 2021 12:50:07 GMT
Yes we're cutting the cloth, Premiership football is just a distant memory now, we are a established second division team... a skint established second division team.
Some effort that to go from riches to rags at that speed
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Clucas?
Jun 6, 2021 12:52:54 GMT
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Post by christhepotter on Jun 6, 2021 12:52:54 GMT
Yes we're cutting the cloth, Premiership football is just a distant memory now, we are a established second division team... a skint established second division team. Some effort that to go from riches to rags at that speed We’re not skint though , the money is there but not allowed to spend it
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Clucas?
Jun 6, 2021 12:55:10 GMT
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Post by miltonpotter on Jun 6, 2021 12:55:10 GMT
I’m not sure about the other clubs but I definitely know Blackburn are not interested, this was noise created by his agent to gain interest in him. He did it when he was at Hull and it got hi the Swansea move. No contact with Blackburn whatsoever.
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Clucas?
Jun 6, 2021 12:58:14 GMT
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jun 6, 2021 12:58:14 GMT
We are into butler street stand territory now Clucas and collins leave to be replaced by Weiman etc it’s John Tudor terrors all over again from a much lower base sadly we’ve a long long way still to fall O’Neil may well become this eras Bill Asprey one Glorious survival campaign and then complete collapse driven by financial necessity
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Post by owdestokie2 on Jun 6, 2021 13:26:38 GMT
When fit he's our best midfielder. I don't see how we justify him going for free? Yes wages off the books but who's replacing him, Thompson? “IF” he does go it will be a measure of the clubs desire to progress by the quality of his replacement
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Post by cdf on Jun 6, 2021 13:53:02 GMT
I’m not sure about the other clubs but I definitely know Blackburn are not interested, this was noise created by his agent to gain interest in him. He did it when he was at Hull and it got hi the Swansea move. No contact with Blackburn whatsoever. The guy that discovered Clucas is Head of Recruitment at Sheffield United
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Clucas?
Jun 6, 2021 13:55:23 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2021 13:55:23 GMT
We are into butler street stand territory now Clucas and collins leave to be replaced by Weiman etc it’s John Tudor terrors all over again from a much lower base sadly we’ve a long long way still to fall O’Neil may well become this eras Bill Asprey one Glorious survival campaign and then complete collapse driven by financial necessity Does Weimann play in the same position as Clucas? I thought he was further forward? I get the sentiment, but I’d say that Weimann has had a more successful career than Clucas. Both are coming back from an injury plagued season and both are similar ages.
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Clucas?
Jun 6, 2021 14:08:16 GMT
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Post by chiswickpotter on Jun 6, 2021 14:08:16 GMT
If we survive a FFP sanction for 2020/21, it seems we have to generate about £20-25million of cost savings and transfer fees in the coming season. I imagine £2 million for Clucas would be welcome. With Wimmer, Badou and a few other seemingly off, we might be close to £10 million of savings. Ideally need to shift Etebo, Ince, Afobe to make a real difference.
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Clucas?
Jun 6, 2021 14:33:09 GMT
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Post by lordb on Jun 6, 2021 14:33:09 GMT
We are into butler street stand territory now Clucas and collins leave to be replaced by Weiman etc it’s John Tudor terrors all over again from a much lower base sadly we’ve a long long way still to fall O’Neil may well become this eras Bill Asprey one Glorious survival campaign and then complete collapse driven by financial necessity Does Weimann play in the same position as Clucas? I thought he was further forward? I get the sentiment, but I’d say that Weimann has had a more successful career than Clucas. Both are coming back from an injury plagued season and both are similar ages. One appears to be paid double the other
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Post by yyy on Jun 6, 2021 15:49:36 GMT
Yes we're cutting the cloth, Premiership football is just a distant memory now, we are a established second division team... a skint established second division team. Some effort that to go from riches to rags at that speed We’re not skint though , the money is there but not allowed to spend it So we're skint then? Any idea how much we can spend come 2022? I'm not convinced it will be much
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jun 6, 2021 15:58:38 GMT
I'd like to see him leave this summer, fresh, young blood in that midfield. Thompson to step up hopefully. Thompson to replace Clucas!!
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Clucas?
Jun 6, 2021 16:10:17 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 6, 2021 16:10:17 GMT
I’d expect 2/3m quid so I’d hope not. Pure fantasy There’s not a chance if the roles were reversed we get him for free. They’re a club with money who want him. 2/3m should be achievable.
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Jun 6, 2021 16:45:38 GMT
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Post by musik on Jun 6, 2021 16:45:38 GMT
We’re not skint though , the money is there but not allowed to spend it So we're skint then? Any idea how much we can spend come 2022? I'm not convinced it will be much My interpretation of M'ON interviews, hardly nothing.
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Jun 6, 2021 17:31:57 GMT
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Post by lordb on Jun 6, 2021 17:31:57 GMT
We’re not skint though , the money is there but not allowed to spend it So we're skint then? Any idea how much we can spend come 2022? I'm not convinced it will be much Wage bill will be radically lower we can definitely be aggressive in the market that summer.
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Post by themistocles on Jun 6, 2021 17:38:17 GMT
People being happy about letting one o our better players go for free are just influenced by our shit show transfer dealings over the previous years.
How often does this happen at other clubs.
A monkey could give something away for free..
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Jun 6, 2021 17:41:34 GMT
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Post by themistocles on Jun 6, 2021 17:41:34 GMT
You highlight to the world he can go for free even with another year on his contract, who the fuxk is going to bid for him.
If Shef U want him in their midfield next season it isn't because he's free.
They have prem riches to spend ffs
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Clucas?
Jun 6, 2021 18:41:01 GMT
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Post by cdf on Jun 6, 2021 18:41:01 GMT
In an ideal world but will that fee be bigger than any signing on fees / loyalty bonuses / wages payoff we have to then give him. I’d expect 2/3m quid so I’d hope not. I think they would pay a “nominal” fee of between £500k to £1 mil
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Clucas?
Jun 6, 2021 19:06:01 GMT
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Post by themistocles on Jun 6, 2021 19:06:01 GMT
I’d expect 2/3m quid so I’d hope not. I think they would pay a “nominal” fee of between £500k to £1 mil Why would they pay anything we've said he can leave for free 😂
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Post by xchpotter on Jun 6, 2021 19:22:46 GMT
Why on earth did we say he could go for free? I don’t mind him going for nowt as we need to get rid, but why announce it? The footballing circles would work out any value or not, but saying he’s free is like going into negotiations to sell your car and saying up front it can go for such a price….you shoot yourself in the foot to get any hope of something better. However, this is Stoke.
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Clucas?
Jun 6, 2021 19:28:00 GMT
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Post by cdf on Jun 6, 2021 19:28:00 GMT
I think they would pay a “nominal” fee of between £500k to £1 mil Why would they pay anything we've said he can leave for free 😂 Potentially or could go for a free is not saying he defo is on a free plus it’s only words from a local journo guessing that it “could” be a free transfer? Please can share the link where someone from the clubs stated that he is available on a free transfer?
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Jun 6, 2021 19:29:25 GMT
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Post by cdf on Jun 6, 2021 19:29:25 GMT
Why on earth did we say he could go for free? I don’t mind him going for nowt as we need to get rid, but why announce it?. [br I dont think anyone from the club’s said free transfer
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Clucas?
Jun 6, 2021 19:36:28 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2021 19:36:28 GMT
I am really not fussed about RND returning at all. I think there are better out there. Very overrated. Fox is miles better as things stand. Miles better at what?? Football? RND is no world-beater, but he's better than Fox. Significantly better. Unless we're factoring in that Fox 'could' also play Centre Back, but that shouldn't really be in our thinking, when comparing the two.
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Post by themistocles on Jun 6, 2021 19:50:22 GMT
They’ve got PL riches, a fee should be got. No one will be interested if there’s a fee involved though That's tosh Shef U have prem riches and will be looking to bounce straight back. If they want Clucas they believe he can help them back to the prem. They pretty much can sign who they want in this division so why would they sign someone just because they're free. Stop being naive just because we've been so shit at this stuff previously
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Clucas?
Jun 7, 2021 13:10:37 GMT
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Post by potterburt on Jun 7, 2021 13:10:37 GMT
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