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Post by LGH87 on Jun 24, 2021 12:44:01 GMT
How has a thread about Clucas descended in to Nathan Collins fee talk ffs.
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Jun 24, 2021 12:49:44 GMT
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Post by miltonpotter on Jun 24, 2021 12:49:44 GMT
Sam has been told he can leave for free before July 1st so something should be tied up by then.
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Jun 24, 2021 13:06:44 GMT
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Post by hardcastle on Jun 24, 2021 13:06:44 GMT
What's the significance of the July 1st deadline for moving on a free? Have l missed something?
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Jun 24, 2021 13:10:42 GMT
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Post by lordb on Jun 24, 2021 13:10:42 GMT
What's the significance of the July 1st deadline for moving on a free? Have l missed something? Accounting reasons and contract reasons Bonuses presumably kick in then
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Jun 24, 2021 16:39:59 GMT
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jun 24, 2021 16:39:59 GMT
So it’s £12m why are we now suggesting it’s more ? because it's being reported in the media (not just the local media) that it's more how much more whether there is sell on e.t.c. is still unclear If I wanted any of our decent players I’d be low balling now for sure ids the difference between the way we behave as. The likes of Peterborough , Brentford . Southampton , Spurs let’s be honest Burnley have had a few bargains already and will keep coning back on that basis
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Post by lordb on Jun 24, 2021 17:02:24 GMT
because it's being reported in the media (not just the local media) that it's more how much more whether there is sell on e.t.c. is still unclear If I wanted any of our decent players I’d be low balling now for sure ids the difference between the way we behave as. The likes of Peterborough , Brentford . Southampton , Spurs let’s be honest Burnley have had a few bargains already and will keep coning back on that basis depends on what Burnley have paid for Collins though if it's £12m, no add ons & no sell on fee than that's a shocker if it's Burnley record fee (therefore higher than £15m) with decent add ons & a decent sell on then that's completely different as it's undisclosed we don't know imho all transfer fees should be disclosed, all transfers should have a sell on & a buy back clause all agents fees should be disclosed also
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Jun 24, 2021 17:03:35 GMT
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Post by Clem Fandango on Jun 24, 2021 17:03:35 GMT
If I wanted any of our decent players I’d be low balling now for sure ids the difference between the way we behave as. The likes of Peterborough , Brentford . Southampton , Spurs let’s be honest Burnley have had a few bargains already and will keep coning back on that basis depends on what Burnley have paid for Collins though if it's £12m, no add ons & no sell on fee than that's a shocker if it's Burnley record fee (therefore higher than £15m) with decent add ons & a decent sell on then that's completely different as it's undisclosed we don't know imho all transfer fees should be disclosed, all transfers should have a sell on & a buy back clause all agents fees should be disclosed also Part of the reason football is in a mess is shit like this. Should be open and disclosed.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jun 24, 2021 20:58:01 GMT
depends on what Burnley have paid for Collins though if it's £12m, no add ons & no sell on fee than that's a shocker if it's Burnley record fee (therefore higher than £15m) with decent add ons & a decent sell on then that's completely different as it's undisclosed we don't know imho all transfer fees should be disclosed, all transfers should have a sell on & a buy back clauseall agents fees should be disclosed also Part of the reason football is in a mess is shit like this. Should be open and disclosed. It would be a bit daft for free transfers to have sell on and buy back clauses EDIT: I'm not sure why all transfers should be disclosed. You could equally argue that a car showroom should have to declare what price it paid for the cars on its forecourt
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Post by scfc75 on Jun 24, 2021 21:30:53 GMT
If I wanted any of our decent players I’d be low balling now for sure ids the difference between the way we behave as. The likes of Peterborough , Brentford . Southampton , Spurs let’s be honest Burnley have had a few bargains already and will keep coning back on that basis depends on what Burnley have paid for Collins though if it's £12m, no add ons & no sell on fee than that's a shocker if it's Burnley record fee (therefore higher than £15m) with decent add ons & a decent sell on then that's completely different as it's undisclosed we don't know imho all transfer fees should be disclosed, all transfers should have a sell on & a buy back clause all agents fees should be disclosed also I do think that agents fees should be split over the life of the contract, and they cease if a player moves club. So if a player signs a 4yr deal, the agent gets 25% of the fee on signing then the remainder in 25% increments at each anniversary. If their man moves after 2yrs, the payments under that contract stop and are replaced by the new agreement. Would stop unscrupulous agents hawking players around every 18 months.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 24, 2021 22:23:17 GMT
Agents should be banned.
There should be appointed lawyers that do deals randomly for players and clubs to make sure that no one is getting conned and it should be at a set price within reason.
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Post by xchpotter on Jun 24, 2021 22:29:20 GMT
Agents should be banned. There should be appointed lawyers that do deals randomly for players and clubs to make sure that no one is getting conned and it should be at a set price within reason. I might be wrong, but I thought the PFA offered a basic transfer representation service which effectively does away with the greedy agents as it is done on a necessity basis. As it’s the PFA they should be trustworthy.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 24, 2021 22:31:23 GMT
Agents should be banned. There should be appointed lawyers that do deals randomly for players and clubs to make sure that no one is getting conned and it should be at a set price within reason. I might be wrong, but I thought the PFA offered a basic transfer representation service which effectively does away with the greedy agents as it is done on a necessity basis. As it’s the PFA they should be trustworthy. I have no idea but it sounds like something they'd do to protect their members yeah. It makes me laugh when footballers in the media whinge about the PFA. From my experience of talking to ex pros about the PFA, they're fucking amazing and give them all manner of shit that us plebs could only dream of.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2021 23:54:44 GMT
It would be a bit daft for free transfers to have sell on and buy back clauses EDIT: I'm not sure why all transfers should be disclosed. You could equally argue that a car showroom should have to declare what price it paid for the cars on its forecourt So many add ons with fess also so could end up nowhere near the original fee and why should add ons be disclosed? I remember Jez Moxey telling me that we paid around half a million for Peschisolido but we had a clause that every goal he scored cost us I think it was an extra £15,000 so he ended up costing another 200k odd in total. Might not seem much but added up and we were a bit strapped at the time. I don't think he ever scored twice in a game for us. Maybe a good thing.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 25, 2021 16:17:28 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 25, 2021 16:24:21 GMT
Still think both are well worth a fee. Silly club.
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Post by gingerninja on Jun 25, 2021 16:25:00 GMT
There's no way we will get rid of both, one or the other I would imagine.
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Jun 25, 2021 16:48:01 GMT
Still think both are well worth a fee. Silly club. 500k tops.
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Post by spitthedog on Jun 25, 2021 16:58:42 GMT
Still think both are well worth a fee. Silly club. You might think there are worth something but if no clubs are prepared to offer money for them then that doesn't really count for much.
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Post by musik on Jun 25, 2021 17:34:35 GMT
With all the players leaving or supposed to be leaving, we will have a h@ll of a task to replace them and still play Championship football in 2022/23.
If there are any players out there, both cheaper but also better than what we already got, why would they come to Stoke? Reality check, and M'ON isn't a wizard.
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Post by chiswickpotter on Jun 25, 2021 17:50:58 GMT
With all the players leaving or supposed to be leaving, we will have a h@ll of a task to replace them and still play Championship football in 2022/23. If there are any players out there, both cheaper but also better than what we already got, why would they come to Stoke? Reality check, and M'ON isn't a wizard. We are still one of the top 6 or so clubs in terms of spending power in the championship because our owners are willing to fund the maximum loss allowed of £13 million - that is about 50% of an average championship club’s revenue. If we can shift the deadwood, with the money from selling Collins, with our high average gates, we will start to look attractive to ambitious players.
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Post by dirtclod on Jun 25, 2021 17:55:55 GMT
Neither Clucas nor Allen are worth anything.
Until another club offers something.
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Post by Fred Merger on Jun 25, 2021 18:02:58 GMT
Neither Clucas nor Allen are worth anything. Until another club offers something. No one will pay a fee for either with the wages that they are currently on.
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Post by bolders on Jun 25, 2021 18:17:59 GMT
There's no way we will get rid of both, one or the other I would imagine. Id rather get rid of Allen to be honest, bigger wages and coming off a massive injury plus i think Clucas' return is better
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Post by wherty on Jun 25, 2021 18:27:52 GMT
There's no way we will get rid of both, one or the other I would imagine. Id rather get rid of Allen to be honest, bigger wages and coming off a massive injury plus i think Clucas' return is better But Allen wants to play for the club, clucas doesn't.
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Post by hardcastle on Jun 25, 2021 18:36:07 GMT
How would we know whether or not Sam Cmucas would prefer to move on?
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jun 25, 2021 19:12:18 GMT
Id rather get rid of Allen to be honest, bigger wages and coming off a massive injury plus i think Clucas' return is better But Allen wants to play for the club, clucas doesn't. When did Clucas say he doesn't want to play for Stoke?
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Post by iglugluk on Jun 25, 2021 19:51:08 GMT
But Allen wants to play for the club, clucas doesn't. When did Clucas say he doesn't want to play for Stoke? Absolutely. His goal tally during the 19/20 season would suggest he is quite prepared to play for SCFC.
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Jun 25, 2021 20:15:47 GMT
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Post by bolders on Jun 25, 2021 20:15:47 GMT
It’s because he cupped his ears once. Jeez
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Post by thehoof on Jun 25, 2021 20:59:29 GMT
When did Clucas say he doesn't want to play for Stoke? Absolutely. His goal tally during the 19/20 season would suggest he is quite prepared to play for SCFC. That’s a one off season in his entire career. He’s normally 4 to 7 goals a season. I’m not a fan of Clucas- he reminds me a bit too much of Ince- can be good and should be good a lot more often than he is. If his salary is as high as is rumoured - and I stress rumoured, then he does not represent value for the club.
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Jun 25, 2021 22:30:26 GMT
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Post by miltonpotter on Jun 25, 2021 22:30:26 GMT
He is DEFO leaving very soon. I live right by him and see him on the regular with my dog, he’s a really nice bloke. He wants to stay but it’s not gonna happen. His contract is the main reason without sugar coating it and the club have said he can go for nothing before July 1st even though he has a year to run. Didn’t say where he was going but by the sounds there’s a few clubs interested.
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