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Post by PotterLog on Apr 21, 2021 20:15:11 GMT
For the whole of 2020. WTF happened.
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Post by neddy on Apr 21, 2021 20:16:31 GMT
The squad looks totally disinterested and I can’t see anything changing next year given the squad contracts.
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Post by toppercorner on Apr 21, 2021 20:16:57 GMT
i don't know. Just can't fathom it out.
The players excited about it being not Mad Nath, then he's gradually lost the dressing room with predictable and non-merit worthy selections?
just guessing btw
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Post by robrigo on Apr 21, 2021 20:18:28 GMT
I can’t fathom what’s going on at all. He’s seemingly completely lost the plot.
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Post by gingerninja on Apr 21, 2021 20:20:49 GMT
To play a back 5 against Coventry is an outrage.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Apr 21, 2021 20:23:14 GMT
He implimented his prefered system with the pressure off and it went to pot. When he was forced to set up to attack we actually looked good.
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Post by jeycov on Apr 21, 2021 20:28:22 GMT
They wanted the points more than we did for the majority of the game
Fair play to MON for giving the youngsters a start - with so much at stake for Coventry not ideal
So disappointing
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Post by PotterLog on Apr 21, 2021 20:29:15 GMT
He implimented his prefered system with the pressure off and it went to pot. When he was forced to set up to attack we actually looked good. We won eight of the first 16 games this season though... can't all just be down to Campbell (or can it) |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Apr 21, 2021 20:33:23 GMT
He implimented his prefered system with the pressure off and it went to pot. When he was forced to set up to attack we actually looked good. We won eight of the first 16 games this season though... can't all just be down to Campbell (or can it) I think it can, it was our main tactic, there's a reason its gone backwards from there, and lets not pretend he wasn't defencive then either. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 21, 2021 20:33:36 GMT
For the whole of 2020. WTF happened. He shat himself. I think we’ve been poor all season. Even when Campbell was fit. We weren’t playing with the same intent. Bar a few games in the cup were winning because of the press and mistakes. It wasn’t overly good football like the good parts of last season were. I firmly believe he focussed on the Leeds, Wigan, Derby and there was another hammering we had. And it scared him. He focussed on them and didn’t want it to happen again. Totally wrong thing to do. Of course they needed addressing but we didn’t need to change our approach to the game. We needed a better midfield and to play the young CBs. We can only hope over the summer he can see this and can think of a way of bringing that care free attitude back. I don’t think it’s that hard if you focus on the younger players and add more to the ranks in the areas we need. Midfield, out wide and up front. |
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Post by citynickscfc on Apr 21, 2021 20:35:41 GMT
Can we just go into next season not expecting anything? Well... Is anyone really expecting anything?
I fully expect a mid table shitfest again and thus MON to be removed at the end of the season with the new guy having another go at being manager, such will then transpire in more basic midtable shittery and on we go.
I think I'm begging to count my savings in streaming money already from 3 or 4 games ago. I'm +28 up so far having spent probably 180 on watching this shit this season
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Post by theonlooker on Apr 21, 2021 20:43:48 GMT
For the whole of 2020. WTF happened. He shat himself. I think we’ve been poor all season. Even when Campbell was fit. We weren’t playing with the same intent. Bar a few games in the cup were winning because of the press and mistakes. It wasn’t overly good football like the good parts of last season were. I firmly believe he focussed on the Leeds, Wigan, Derby and there was another hammering we had. And it scared him. He focussed on them and didn’t want it to happen again. Totally wrong thing to do. Of course they needed addressing but we didn’t need to change our approach to the game. We needed a better midfield and to play the young CBs. We can only hope over the summer he can see this and can think of a way of bringing that care free attitude back. I don’t think it’s that hard if you focus on the younger players and add more to the ranks in the areas we need. Midfield, out wide and up front. I don't think he shit himself per se. He hinted in the summer that he had a look at the league and saw most of the games were swung on a sixpence, or the odd moment in games as he described it. I think he based his back 5 system on that, trying to keep it tight and nick a goal from a high press. Where I'm confused with him, which leads me to think he just needs to get to the end of the season and take stock, is that this season he's gone from playing a back 5 and a high press to a back 4 and a high press to a back 5 and a lower block and from talking about bringing in players with pace and power to talking about building out from the back. Not total contradictions but not far off. Ultimately it just hasn't worked and he hasn't been able to change it and even less so with the injuries. He's now in a situation where hes shifting deckchairs on the Titanic but lobbing them overboard. He seems very slow as a manager to react in games and between games and seems very set to his original plan, which is a major flaw IMO and very synonymous with what he had to do with NI. |
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Apr 21, 2021 20:44:01 GMT
What happened?
He had a transfer window and brought in too many poor players.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 21, 2021 20:50:00 GMT
He shat himself. I think we’ve been poor all season. Even when Campbell was fit. We weren’t playing with the same intent. Bar a few games in the cup were winning because of the press and mistakes. It wasn’t overly good football like the good parts of last season were. I firmly believe he focussed on the Leeds, Wigan, Derby and there was another hammering we had. And it scared him. He focussed on them and didn’t want it to happen again. Totally wrong thing to do. Of course they needed addressing but we didn’t need to change our approach to the game. We needed a better midfield and to play the young CBs. We can only hope over the summer he can see this and can think of a way of bringing that care free attitude back. I don’t think it’s that hard if you focus on the younger players and add more to the ranks in the areas we need. Midfield, out wide and up front. I don't think he shit himself per se. He hinted in the summer that he had a look at the league and saw most of the games were swung on a sixpence, or the odd moment in games as he described it. I think he based his back 5 system on that, trying to keep it tight and nick a goal from a high press. Where I'm confused with him, which leads me to think he just needs to get to the end of the season and take stock, is that this season he's gone from playing a back 5 and a high press to a back 4 and a high press to a back 5 and a lower block and from talking about bringing in players with pace and power to talking about building out from the back. Not total contradictions but not far off. Ultimately it just hasn't worked and he hasn't been able to change it and even less so with the injuries. He's now in a situation where hes shifting deckchairs on the Titanic but lobbing them overboard. He seems very slow as a manager to react in games and between games and seems very set to his original plan, which is a major flaw IMO and very synonymous with what he had to do with NI. Even that thinking to me and then doing what he did is shitting himself. The intent to win even early on wasn’t overly there. I don’t think anything major needed changing with how we played bar putting a midfielder in there to protect the back 4 and getting Collins and Souttar in the side. We needed minor touches with how we were playing. Whilst adding some faster alternatives. He is very slow. Which ironically I don’t think he was today. He made the subs I would have made at half time (I said Couisns and Fletcher but only because I thought Mikel was injured) and that’s I judge these things. We had no midfield so needed a foothold there. And we were playing like Fletcher was up top, so get him on. |
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Post by stokesaint1 on Apr 22, 2021 1:35:54 GMT
The thread title says "This manager made us the best team in the division" and somehow, over the last five months or so, he has now managed to make us one of the worst, despite adding 11 of his own players.
How embarrassing is it that our previous two managers, Rowett and Jones, with a fraction of the resources available to them , now manage clubs above Stoke in the division?
They and their supporters must be laughing their socks off, while we suffer from the crap our team is serving up week after week.
Sort it O'Neill. The honeymoon period is long gone and is well and truly over.
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Post by hardcastle on Apr 22, 2021 9:42:51 GMT
When you talk about the level of resources we have (compared with Millwall and Luton) are you referring to the level of resources that Rowett and Jones had when they were here? You can't possibly think that MON has the resources to bring in a top striker or replace our inadequate central midfield.
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Post by samba :) on Apr 22, 2021 9:43:05 GMT
We lost campbell and then drew about 8 games in a row 0-0 after that season was over so we lost interest, if we’d knicked a few of them 0-0’s we would still have a chance at the play-offs and would certainly be playing better
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Apr 22, 2021 11:00:49 GMT
If you ask me this has a lot to do with the poor return we have had from our academy.
In the scheme of things when have we ever produced players that have either ended up as star performers for us and have generated us at least some big revenue when sold on? It doesn't happen to Stoke. Yet every week you hear about other clubs producing player after player.
There is something very wrong with our academy system.
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Post by Northy on Apr 22, 2021 12:14:02 GMT
The players were just glad to get rid of NJ and get themselves out of the relegation spots, you saw how up they were for the home game v Luton this season, they must have detested him.
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Post by PotterLog on Apr 22, 2021 12:28:09 GMT
If you ask me this has a lot to do with the poor return we have had from our academy. In the scheme of things when have we ever produced players that have either ended up as star performers for us and have generated us at least some big revenue when sold on? It doesn't happen to Stoke. Yet every week you hear about other clubs producing player after player. There is something very wrong with our academy system. You're blaming MON's poor performance on the academy players? Isn't that the one major plus point this turgid season has had to offer us? |
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Post by stokie23 on Apr 22, 2021 12:28:59 GMT
The odd player makes a huge difference, the correlation between TC's injury and our form isn't a coincidence.
From an attacking standpoint, we need Campbell back and fresh legs hopefully to be prevoided by Daughty and Norton.
From a defensive standpoint, we need Collins back and 1 or 2 more (including a defencive midfielder who inst't 34.
We're not as far off as people think, this summers mission will be keeping hold of Powell !
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2021 12:43:21 GMT
The odd player makes a huge difference, the correlation between TC's injury and our form isn't a coincidence. From an attacking standpoint, we need Campbell back and fresh legs hopefully to be prevoided by Daughty and Norton. From a defensive standpoint, we need Collins back and 1 or 2 more (including a defencive midfielder who inst't 34. We're not as far off as people think, this summers mission will be keeping hold of Powell ! I can’t see Powell going, unless a relegated team come in for him. I don’t see why a premier league team would. The centre mid is so weak. Having a centre mid score what 11/12 last year (Clucas) to being injured all season this year has a huge impact also. He’s been involved in less than half of this season’s campaign, and has probably been match fit for about a third of that. Frustrating that Collins got injured as he likely would have had the opportunity to play alongside Souttar for the last 5 or so games, done well and subsequently we’d have finally had that partnership. |
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