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Post by jnb14 on Feb 25, 2021 14:32:01 GMT
I used to get either a chalk board rubber (the ones with wooden edges) thrown at me or a “gentle tap” on the head with a cricket bat at Longton High. Might explain a few things.😂😂 Harry Cyples or Bill Jolley? (or both?) I don't remember Harry Cyples. Bill Jolley was the head when I was there. Who was the maths teacher that also did gymnastics? You could tell you'd had him during the day as you'd often see a chalk outline of his hand on your back? Not in a nasty way, you were getting a pat because you'd got it right. Wouldn't be allowed today. I'm not trying to justify hitting kids by the way. There was another maths teacher- Mr Smith - he'd say "Right class, I want to feel your eyes on me." Again....
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Post by jnb14 on Feb 25, 2021 14:36:02 GMT
Harry Cyples or Bill Jolley? (or both?) Think one was either McPherson or John, not 100%, but as bad as it sounds I can say that I never saw it as being over the top or abusive. It was almost like a gentle tap just to put me back in my place and I never complained or thought it was out of order. MacPherson - took over a head of PE in my last year. Big at Stoke on Trent rugby club. Willie John, Welsh bloke- thinking back as an adult, I bet Mr John was gutted he didn't get to be head of PE. Remember Stuart Belmont? Brother was the hairdresser in Hanley?
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Post by jnb14 on Feb 25, 2021 14:39:11 GMT
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Post by metalhead on Feb 25, 2021 15:38:46 GMT
Fair logic. I don't think it's unreasonable to say they turned out fine though. Some kids will turn out fine with physical punishment. Some don't though. There are links between violence in childhood and domestic violence in adult life. It’s complex isn’t it, people can lead relatively normal lives but still be deeply affected by their childhood which frames their whole life. Feelings of self worth and the ability to form and maintain relationships are influenced by childhood and smacking is a sure fire way to make a child feel unsecure and unloved, even if it is coming from a place of love from the parents perspective. I think childhood is a huge part of people's later lives. In fact, I think the years up to 21 are vital in so many ways and if violence becomes a big part of it, then who knows how it'll affect you can later on.
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Post by xchpotter on Feb 25, 2021 15:48:52 GMT
Think one was either McPherson or John, not 100%, but as bad as it sounds I can say that I never saw it as being over the top or abusive. It was almost like a gentle tap just to put me back in my place and I never complained or thought it was out of order. MacPherson - took over a head of PE in my last year. Big at Stoke on Trent rugby club. Willie John, Welsh bloke- thinking back as an adult, I bet Mr John was gutted he didn't get to be head of PE. Remember Stuart Belmont? Brother was the hairdresser in Hanley? Not sure whether he was there before or after me, but I remember Mr Selby. He looked like one of the early ‘80s footballers with his moustache and perm. He was a great PE teacher and a good footballer from what I recall.
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Post by mrcoke on Feb 25, 2021 16:23:05 GMT
Smacking kids doesn’t work it’s absolutely right for the teacher to be sacked. People who say they were smacked and turned out just fine don’t convince me either. They don’t know the alternative, so whilst they may think they turned out fine, how would they have turned out if they weren’t smacked. I agree smacking by teachers just cannot be tolerated in this day and age. However I’d just like to share my experiences of corporal punishment at school....at Ellison Street Primary School Mr Fallows was notorious for smacking you round the back of the head ensuring that his ring made contact ....ouch it fucking hurt. Then there was Mr Landon who kept his cane on his desk and you would receive 5 across the palm for any misdemeanour in his class. Mr Fincham would lead you to the front of the class by the ear for a humliation session. On to Wolstanton Grammer if you received 3 detentions in any term you had to go line up outside the Headmasters(The Beak as he was known) office for the cane across your backside. To prevent pain you would stick an exercise book down your pants for protection. Mr Bedding was deadly at 10m with the wooden chalk eraser and Lank Holland, PE Teacher, took great delight smacking you round the backside with a plimsole if you forgot you PE gear or it wasn’t clean. I personally do not consider it affected me anyway in later life but it kept you the straight and narrow at school for sure. We must be of a similar era lawrieleslie, only I remember Ellison Street Junior School. I went to Church Street Primary in Chesterton. I remember getting the whack off Saunders at Ellison Street which was bad enough but the worst punishment was "the pump" off a vicious piece of work called Bolton. You literally couldn't sit down after that. I then went to the Grammar where the head who handed out the caning was Morris Marples when I arrived there. Then it was "Pecker" Williams later in my years there. Morris Marples also used his right hand as an author; I have a copy of his book "A History of Football" which was an early book on the subject. He wrote other books on walking and stone circles, I think, but not on whacking!
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Post by cerebralstokie on Feb 25, 2021 16:49:13 GMT
Harry Cyples or Bill Jolley? (or both?) I don't remember Harry Cyples. Bill Jolley was the head when I was there. Who was the maths teacher that also did gymnastics? You could tell you'd had him during the day as you'd often see a chalk outline of his hand on your back? Not in a nasty way, you were getting a pat because you'd got it right. Wouldn't be allowed today. I'm not trying to justify hitting kids by the way. There was another maths teacher- Mr Smith - he'd say "Right class, I want to feel your eyes on me." Again.... I was from an earlier generation (Sandon Road Longton High). When the move to Box Lane happened, I think Bill Jolley was Head and Harry Cyples his Deputy
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Post by dirtclod on Feb 25, 2021 19:32:29 GMT
Bad at any age, but 4 years old? Ridiculous.
When I was a kid (about 8 yrs old) I acted up all year in Public School. They could get away with this back then, so I was put in Summer School. But not just any summer school - I was banished to the Nazi Work Camp known as Our Lady of Perpetual Agony (Actually St. Joachim Parish) and put under the eye of their Fuehrer, Sister Mary Catherine Heydrich. (Don't really know her last name, but Heydrich fits) I think she may have been a panzer-commander until she traded the Death's Head Insignia in for the penguin suit.
This b****was just downright mean never saw her once smile. Carried a yard-stick that was oak wood sandwiched around a strip of steel.(Like used in Print Shops) She was a ninja with that thing and could take you down in seconds by first taking out your knees, then your head. She was known for taking off a shoe and hurling it, or anything else that was handy at the time - I swear she could hit you at 20 yards right in the face. She once threw (and hit me with it) a fire extinguisher for kissing a girl in the hall. Out of the blue and at random, she would smack us right on top of the head during class with that stick, even though we'd done nothing - she'd say "That's for later, the Lord sees all!"
At least they stopped short of giving us arm-tattoos with our prisoner number on it. Don't think I came out of it any worse for wear (they can't find the bodies anyway) , but it was scary as hell. Anyways, in the fall I was liberated by the Allies and taken back to Public School - have to admit, I didn't act up very much after that.
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Post by Boothen on Feb 25, 2021 20:07:12 GMT
Seems this teacher had previous. Sounds a right nasty piece of work not acceptable today mate.
Webber had been issued with a warning prior to assaulting the boy after flicking a child's throat in 2016 but his 'conduct towards young children had become worse'
Do you remember Lloyd at Moorside. He had a kid bend over and kicked a football right at his ass, in winter, because he wouldn't pass the ball to anyone. Then there was Mr Wasim...He whacked me round the head once. The Chemistry Teacher, forget his name, he was a psyco. And the French teacher, at the bottom of the first staircase in the new ( ish ) block, he pinned me up against the wall cuz I was flicking his lights on and off. Sweetie Hall, he was another nasty twat. And the senile old gardening teacher Fuller ( maybe Fullerton ) another nut job. The worst though was Mrs Bird. I always left her lessons with a nasty swelling... At Oakhill we had Mr 'Hardrock' Martin. He had a skill of being able to throw a solid wood board rubber across the room with the accuracy of a Brimstone missile. I remember seeing teeth getting knocked out and blood on the desks at least twice. I also remember one lad, who I shall not name, being dragged from the classroom into the corridor and then getting right up in his face and giving him some right grief. Hardrock simply chinned there and then, dropped him like a bag of water.
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Post by Orbs on Feb 25, 2021 20:12:59 GMT
Seems this teacher had previous. Sounds a right nasty piece of work not acceptable today mate.
Webber had been issued with a warning prior to assaulting the boy after flicking a child's throat in 2016 but his 'conduct towards young children had become worse'
Do you remember Lloyd at Moorside. He had a kid bend over and kicked a football right at his ass, in winter, because he wouldn't pass the ball to anyone. Then there was Mr Wasim...He whacked me round the head once. The Chemistry Teacher, forget his name, he was a psyco. And the French teacher, at the bottom of the first staircase in the new ( ish ) block, he pinned me up against the wall cuz I was flicking his lights on and off. Sweetie Hall, he was another nasty twat. And the senile old gardening teacher Fuller ( maybe Fullerton ) another nut job. The worst though was Mrs Bird. I always left her lessons with a nasty swelling... Oh yes. Mrs Bird. Good grief. The original MILF...
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 25, 2021 20:25:27 GMT
Seems this teacher had previous. Sounds a right nasty piece of work not acceptable today mate.
Webber had been issued with a warning prior to assaulting the boy after flicking a child's throat in 2016 but his 'conduct towards young children had become worse'
Do you remember Lloyd at Moorside. He had a kid bend over and kicked a football right at his ass, in winter, because he wouldn't pass the ball to anyone. Then there was Mr Wasim...He whacked me round the head once. The Chemistry Teacher, forget his name, he was a psyco. And the French teacher, at the bottom of the first staircase in the new ( ish ) block, he pinned me up against the wall cuz I was flicking his lights on and off. Sweetie Hall, he was another nasty twat. And the senile old gardening teacher Fuller ( maybe Fullerton ) another nut job. The worst though was Mrs Bird. I always left her lessons with a nasty swelling... Do you mean Les Lowe aka Cod face PE teacher from Knypersely, saw him hit a mixed race lad across the arse with a spade for pissing about playing cricket, he was a cruel bastard he was made to apologise for that though, used to send all the lads on cross country unless you played football for the school I was lucky I played for my year the year below and the year above, I never did cross country, Wasim came after I left, French teacher Mr Hulton ? mad as a fcuking hatter ended up having a breakdown. Sweetie Hall we used to pinch his fags and smoke in the classroom soft as shit, Mr Fuller aka daddy weedkiller used to wear a trilby one of he lads nailed it to the classroom ceiling he went of his tits, and the delectable Moorside bike Janet Bird had more pricks than a second hand dart board , was the Chemistry teacher Watkinson ?
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Post by mattyd2 on Feb 25, 2021 20:33:21 GMT
Do you remember Lloyd at Moorside. He had a kid bend over and kicked a football right at his ass, in winter, because he wouldn't pass the ball to anyone. Then there was Mr Wasim...He whacked me round the head once. The Chemistry Teacher, forget his name, he was a psyco. And the French teacher, at the bottom of the first staircase in the new ( ish ) block, he pinned me up against the wall cuz I was flicking his lights on and off. Sweetie Hall, he was another nasty twat. And the senile old gardening teacher Fuller ( maybe Fullerton ) another nut job. The worst though was Mrs Bird. I always left her lessons with a nasty swelling... Do you mean Les Lowe aka Cod face PE teacher from Knypersely, saw him hit a mixed race lad across the arse with a spade for pissing about playing cricket, he was a cruel bastard he was made to apologise for that though, used to send all the lads on cross country unless you played football for the school I was lucky I played for my year the year below and the year above, I never did cross country, Wasim came after I left, French teacher Mr Hulton ? mad as a fcuking hatter ended up having a breakdown. Sweetie Hall we used to pinch his fags and smoke in the classroom soft as shit, Mr Fuller aka daddy weedkiller used to wear a trilby one of he lads nailed it to the classroom ceiling he went of his tits, and the delectable Moorside bike Janet Bird had more pricks than a second hand dart board , was the Chemistry teacher Watkinson ? Yes it was Watkinson...fucking psycho. And yes ..Mr Lowe not Lloyd. Do you remember wet and windy warburton..woodwork teacher. And the metal work teacher, cant remember his name...
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Post by Orbs on Feb 25, 2021 20:36:21 GMT
Do you remember Lloyd at Moorside. He had a kid bend over and kicked a football right at his ass, in winter, because he wouldn't pass the ball to anyone. Then there was Mr Wasim...He whacked me round the head once. The Chemistry Teacher, forget his name, he was a psyco. And the French teacher, at the bottom of the first staircase in the new ( ish ) block, he pinned me up against the wall cuz I was flicking his lights on and off. Sweetie Hall, he was another nasty twat. And the senile old gardening teacher Fuller ( maybe Fullerton ) another nut job. The worst though was Mrs Bird. I always left her lessons with a nasty swelling... Do you mean Les Lowe aka Cod face PE teacher from Knypersely, saw him hit a mixed race lad across the arse with a spade for pissing about playing cricket, he was a cruel bastard he was made to apologise for that though, used to send all the lads on cross country unless you played football for the school I was lucky I played for my year the year below and the year above, I never did cross country, Wasim came after I left, French teacher Mr Hulton ? mad as a fcuking hatter ended up having a breakdown. Sweetie Hall we used to pinch his fags and smoke in the classroom soft as shit, Mr Fuller aka daddy weedkiller used to wear a trilby one of he lads nailed it to the classroom ceiling he went of his tits, and the delectable Moorside bike Janet Bird had more pricks than a second hand dart board , was the Chemistry teacher Watkinson ? Fuck me Crapers - another Moorsider. Mr Lowe died a few years ago. You’re right about Wocko Watkinson being Chemistry. He was great. Chuckles the DT teacher 😆
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 25, 2021 20:39:30 GMT
Do you mean Les Lowe aka Cod face PE teacher from Knypersely, saw him hit a mixed race lad across the arse with a spade for pissing about playing cricket, he was a cruel bastard he was made to apologise for that though, used to send all the lads on cross country unless you played football for the school I was lucky I played for my year the year below and the year above, I never did cross country, Wasim came after I left, French teacher Mr Hulton ? mad as a fcuking hatter ended up having a breakdown. Sweetie Hall we used to pinch his fags and smoke in the classroom soft as shit, Mr Fuller aka daddy weedkiller used to wear a trilby one of he lads nailed it to the classroom ceiling he went of his tits, and the delectable Moorside bike Janet Bird had more pricks than a second hand dart board , was the Chemistry teacher Watkinson ? Yes it was Watkinson...fucking psycho. And yes ..Mr Lowe not Lloyd. Do you remember wet and windy warburton..woodwork teacher. And the metal work teacher, cant remember his name... Mr Thomson he was ok tbf, was Jacko there then and Len Breeze I was friendly his daughter for a bit nearly got expelled for it , my last day I knocked Horrobin sparko for trying to grab hold of my arm, that was one mad school at that time constantly fighting with Hanley High as it was then .
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Post by Orbs on Feb 25, 2021 20:42:56 GMT
Yes it was Watkinson...fucking psycho. And yes ..Mr Lowe not Lloyd. Do you remember wet and windy warburton..woodwork teacher. And the metal work teacher, cant remember his name... Mr Thomson he was ok tbf, was Jacko there then and Len Breeze I was friendly his daughter for a bit nearly got expelled for it , my last day I knocked Horrobin sparko for trying to grab hold of my arm, that was one mad school at that time constantly fighting with Hanley High as it was then . Mr Breeze died recently too. We all had some ‘Breezy bastings’ at one time or another. Shame about you and Mr Horrobin though. I liked him. He helped me a lot.
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 25, 2021 20:46:49 GMT
Do you mean Les Lowe aka Cod face PE teacher from Knypersely, saw him hit a mixed race lad across the arse with a spade for pissing about playing cricket, he was a cruel bastard he was made to apologise for that though, used to send all the lads on cross country unless you played football for the school I was lucky I played for my year the year below and the year above, I never did cross country, Wasim came after I left, French teacher Mr Hulton ? mad as a fcuking hatter ended up having a breakdown. Sweetie Hall we used to pinch his fags and smoke in the classroom soft as shit, Mr Fuller aka daddy weedkiller used to wear a trilby one of he lads nailed it to the classroom ceiling he went of his tits, and the delectable Moorside bike Janet Bird had more pricks than a second hand dart board , was the Chemistry teacher Watkinson ? Fuck me Crapers - another Moorsider. Mr Lowe died a few years ago. You’re right about Wocko Watkinson being Chemistry. He was great. Chuckles the DT teacher 😆 Indeed mate though probably before your time, I was a real bad lad back then not like now, Chuckles was ace, Mr Salt Biology probably my favourite teacher hated gubby allen, Mr Glass was ace ex military loved his war time stories, Mr Lymer I think he was Physics, I know about Les dying though most hated him and he was a sadistic bastard he looked after me due to playing football, cricket and sprinting for the school.
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 25, 2021 20:52:54 GMT
Mr Thomson he was ok tbf, was Jacko there then and Len Breeze I was friendly his daughter for a bit nearly got expelled for it , my last day I knocked Horrobin sparko for trying to grab hold of my arm, that was one mad school at that time constantly fighting with Hanley High as it was then . Mr Breeze died recently too. We all had some ‘Breezy bastings’ at one time or another. Shame about you and Mr Horrobin though. I liked him. He helped me a lot. I know about Len lived in Alton not far from me, used to meet him pretty regularly and his wife lovely lady, his daughter came over from Spain for the funeral not seen her since school she's still pretty fit tbf, did Len ever tell you any of his ghost stories ? Creepy Crawley was head before I left Horrobin took over from him that was the first encounter I ever had with him just unfortunate circumstances really totally my fault.
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Post by lawrieleslie on Feb 25, 2021 21:01:09 GMT
I agree smacking by teachers just cannot be tolerated in this day and age. However I’d just like to share my experiences of corporal punishment at school....at Ellison Street Primary School Mr Fallows was notorious for smacking you round the back of the head ensuring that his ring made contact ....ouch it fucking hurt. Then there was Mr Landon who kept his cane on his desk and you would receive 5 across the palm for any misdemeanour in his class. Mr Fincham would lead you to the front of the class by the ear for a humliation session. On to Wolstanton Grammer if you received 3 detentions in any term you had to go line up outside the Headmasters(The Beak as he was known) office for the cane across your backside. To prevent pain you would stick an exercise book down your pants for protection. Mr Bedding was deadly at 10m with the wooden chalk eraser and Lank Holland, PE Teacher, took great delight smacking you round the backside with a plimsole if you forgot you PE gear or it wasn’t clean. I personally do not consider it affected me anyway in later life but it kept you the straight and narrow at school for sure. We must be of a similar era lawrieleslie, only I remember Ellison Street Junior School. I went to Church Street Primary in Chesterton. I remember getting the whack off Saunders at Ellison Street which was bad enough but the worst punishment was "the pump" off a vicious piece of work called Bolton. You literally couldn't sit down after that. I then went to the Grammar where the head who handed out the caning was Morris Marples when I arrived there. Then it was "Pecker" Williams later in my years there. Morris Marples also used his right hand as an author; I have a copy of his book "A History of Football" which was an early book on the subject. He wrote other books on walking and stone circles, I think, but not on whacking! A History of Football by Morris Marples is for sale on Amazon for £735. When I was there my maths teacher for last year was an Indian called Sydney Samuel Theodore Rowe (Abdul to us lads). He too wrote a couple of books ..It’s a Wogs Life and Brown Toms School Days. They were satirical looks at the plight of immigrants from Asia. Sorry I meant Junior school not primary. Although there was an Infant school attached which I went to at first.
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Post by mattyd2 on Feb 25, 2021 21:13:19 GMT
Yes it was Watkinson...fucking psycho. And yes ..Mr Lowe not Lloyd. Do you remember wet and windy warburton..woodwork teacher. And the metal work teacher, cant remember his name... Mr Thomson he was ok tbf, was Jacko there then and Len Breeze I was friendly his daughter for a bit nearly got expelled for it , my last day I knocked Horrobin sparko for trying to grab hold of my arm, that was one mad school at that time constantly fighting with Hanley High as it was then . Malcolm Jackson by far my favourite teacher. I was a bit of a bad lad then, and he propper turned me around. Gubby Alan. Mr Lancaster ( wankfaster ) Mrs Roberts Mr Howarth. All legends. I remember the fights with Hanley High, usually Fri Nights on the windmill car park. Also a few fights with Leek. How the fuck they got organised, pre mobile phone days fuck knows...
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Post by mattyd2 on Feb 25, 2021 21:17:18 GMT
Mr Breeze died recently too. We all had some ‘Breezy bastings’ at one time or another. Shame about you and Mr Horrobin though. I liked him. He helped me a lot. I know about Len lived in Alton not far from me, used to meet him pretty regularly and his wife lovely lady, his daughter came over from Spain for the funeral not seen her since school she's still pretty fit tbf, did Len ever tell you any of his ghost stories ? Creepy Crawley was head before I left Horrobin took over from him that was the first encounter I ever had with him just unfortunate circumstances really totally my fault. Who was the old battleaxe deputy head Looked like Anne Hegarty on the chase
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 25, 2021 21:25:51 GMT
Mr Thomson he was ok tbf, was Jacko there then and Len Breeze I was friendly his daughter for a bit nearly got expelled for it , my last day I knocked Horrobin sparko for trying to grab hold of my arm, that was one mad school at that time constantly fighting with Hanley High as it was then . Malcolm Jackson by far my favourite teacher. I was a bit of a bad lad then, and he propper turned me around. Gubby Alan. Mr Lancaster ( wankfaster ) Mrs Roberts Mr Howarth. All legends. I remember the fights with Hanley High, usually Fri Nights on the windmill car park. Also a few fights with Leek. How the fuck they got organised, pre mobile phone days fuck knows... Mr Howson ? he was German lovely bloke hadn't got a Scooby how to handle a class of hormonal teenage football thugs.
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 25, 2021 21:28:42 GMT
I know about Len lived in Alton not far from me, used to meet him pretty regularly and his wife lovely lady, his daughter came over from Spain for the funeral not seen her since school she's still pretty fit tbf, did Len ever tell you any of his ghost stories ? Creepy Crawley was head before I left Horrobin took over from him that was the first encounter I ever had with him just unfortunate circumstances really totally my fault. Who was the old battleaxe deputy head Looked like Anne Hegarty on the chase Ma Fielding fecking witch, she hated me with a passion "you boy will never make anything of your life" she was right as well.
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Post by mattyd2 on Feb 25, 2021 21:36:32 GMT
Malcolm Jackson by far my favourite teacher. I was a bit of a bad lad then, and he propper turned me around. Gubby Alan. Mr Lancaster ( wankfaster ) Mrs Roberts Mr Howarth. All legends. I remember the fights with Hanley High, usually Fri Nights on the windmill car park. Also a few fights with Leek. How the fuck they got organised, pre mobile phone days fuck knows... Mr Howson ? he was German lovely bloke hadn't got a Scooby how to handle a class of hormonal teenage football thugs. His lessons always ended in riots, with the teacher in the next class always coming in, those classes had joining doors...Mr Broome usually.
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 25, 2021 21:42:43 GMT
Mr Howson ? he was German lovely bloke hadn't got a Scooby how to handle a class of hormonal teenage football thugs. His lessons always ended in riots, with the teacher in the next class always coming in, those classes had joining doors...Mr Broome usually. Mr Broome who was very friendly with Janet Bird allegedly
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Post by Orbs on Feb 25, 2021 23:00:09 GMT
I know about Len lived in Alton not far from me, used to meet him pretty regularly and his wife lovely lady, his daughter came over from Spain for the funeral not seen her since school she's still pretty fit tbf, did Len ever tell you any of his ghost stories ? Creepy Crawley was head before I left Horrobin took over from him that was the first encounter I ever had with him just unfortunate circumstances really totally my fault. Who was the old battleaxe deputy head Looked like Anne Hegarty on the chase Mrs Biddle
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Post by mattyd2 on Feb 25, 2021 23:15:54 GMT
Fucking hell. Teachers to decide A level and O level results. Fuck me...if my lot had decided mine I'd have got fuck all, they all hated me, except Jacko. Luckily I let my pen do the talking and got a fist full of grade A's.
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Post by mattyd2 on Feb 25, 2021 23:16:44 GMT
Who was the old battleaxe deputy head Looked like Anne Hegarty on the chase Ma Fielding fecking witch, she hated me with a passion "you boy will never make anything of your life" she was right as well. The one I was thinking was Ms Biddle, as Orbs pointed out.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2021 23:44:54 GMT
No teacher has the right to smack a child especially 4 years old It’s assault way too young to be a teacher anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2021 23:49:41 GMT
A smack on the legs? Jesus wept, half the teachers from back in my school days would be serving life if today's rules were around back then. Agreed. Times and law changes Ours used to throw a leather strap at you and no fecker would answer back.
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Post by longdistancekiddie on Feb 25, 2021 23:51:39 GMT
The court should have awarded his pension to a children's charity
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