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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2021 15:20:03 GMT
He probably won't be here by the time we are in the bottom 3 .Tony scholes will put on a straight face and claim the situation is MoN's fault and so he has had to act to save the club . When he is actually saving his own ass . Bob monkhouse was asked once ...what's the secret to stand up comedy , hosting a game show etc ? ...He said SINCERETY , you have to come across sincere and be sincere , if you can fake that ,you have got it made ! Scholes knows this , when the moment comes , he will be full of fake sincerety , and MON, like all those before him , will be on his bike . Name me a Stoke manager who was wrongly sacked in the recent past. Eddie Niedzwiecki.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 14, 2021 15:42:22 GMT
Name me a Stoke manager who was wrongly sacked in the recent past. Eddie Niedzwiecki. You'd have given him the gig would you, with his 0% win record?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2021 18:46:03 GMT
You'd have given him the gig would you, with his 0% win record? I didn't say that.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 14, 2021 18:57:39 GMT
You'd have given him the gig would you, with his 0% win record? I didn't say that. In what way was he unfairly sacked? As a Stoke manager he was comprehensively thrashed in his only game in charge, one in which his inspired moves included playing Josh Tymon at left back at Old Trafford and then doubtless doing his confidence wonders by hooking him at half time. As a coach he was part of a failing regime and often when the axe falls it falls on them all as a new man understandably wants his own trusted team around him. What was unfair?
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Feb 14, 2021 20:24:43 GMT
A lot of fans have said MON has credit it the bank from last season, but just how much credit does he still have?
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Post by potterpaul on Feb 15, 2021 4:15:31 GMT
A lot of fans have said MON has credit it the bank from last season, but just how much credit does he still have? When people start quoting the 'credit in the bank' malarkey, you can be absolutely sure we are playing wank and have been for a while. It's the happy clappers version of coming to terms with the situation.
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Post by zerps on Feb 15, 2021 6:06:08 GMT
We expected a tactical genius and he’s turned out to be the exact opposite. Shame but there’s no room for sentiment in t’ modern game.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2021 8:10:28 GMT
In what way was he unfairly sacked? As a Stoke manager he was comprehensively thrashed in his only game in charge, one in which his inspired moves included playing Josh Tymon at left back at Old Trafford and then doubtless doing his confidence wonders by hooking him at half time. As a coach he was part of a failing regime and often when the axe falls it falls on them all as a new man understandably wants his own trusted team around him. What was unfair? He didn't get the chance to do better in his next game.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 15, 2021 8:17:42 GMT
In what way was he unfairly sacked? As a Stoke manager he was comprehensively thrashed in his only game in charge, one in which his inspired moves included playing Josh Tymon at left back at Old Trafford and then doubtless doing his confidence wonders by hooking him at half time. As a coach he was part of a failing regime and often when the axe falls it falls on them all as a new man understandably wants his own trusted team around him. What was unfair? He didn't get the chance to do better in his next game. Why did he deserve it? He was a placeholder in a crisis, nothing on his CV screamed 'I deserve a chance to be a Premier League manager'.
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Post by potterpaul on Feb 15, 2021 8:22:08 GMT
He didn't get the chance to do better in his next game. Why did he deserve it? He was a placeholder in a crisis, nothing on his CV screamed 'I deserve a chance to be a Premier League manager'. I agree but the ultimate appointment of Lambert surely makes you wonder.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 15, 2021 8:29:47 GMT
Why did he deserve it? He was a placeholder in a crisis, nothing on his CV screamed 'I deserve a chance to be a Premier League manager'. I agree but the ultimate appointment of Lambert surely makes you wonder. Wonder what, if Eddie was worth a go? It really doesn't.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Feb 15, 2021 8:35:28 GMT
I've kept very quiet on MON and our recent form, mainly because I wanted to see our bad/long this form would drag on for so I wouldn't be saying anything over the top. However, with no sign of the poor form ending, I've got to say MON is quickly running out of time to sort it out for me. It's not just the poor results, it's more the manner of the defeats. I also think getting rid of Gregory and Verlinden were mistakes (lots will disagree) and his tactics/team selections have been extremely questionable at best
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Post by potterpaul on Feb 15, 2021 8:38:25 GMT
I agree but the ultimate appointment of Lambert surely makes you wonder. Wonder what, if Eddie was worth a go? It really doesn't. Only for the Lambert factor. I thought that game finished 2-0 hardly a comprehensive defeat. I maybe wrong on that I haven't checked.😁
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 15, 2021 8:43:51 GMT
Wonder what, if Eddie was worth a go? It really doesn't. Only for the Lambert factor. I thought that game finished 2-0 hardly a comprehensive defeat. I maybe wrong on that I haven't checked.😁 It finished 3-0. He started Tymon at left back and had to hook him at half time. Lambert was a disaster but he at least had some sort of record to speak of. Eddie hadn't been a manager beyond a couple of equally dodgy caretaker spells elsewhere and had been part of a failing management set up with Hughes.
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Post by potterpaul on Feb 15, 2021 9:03:02 GMT
Only for the Lambert factor. I thought that game finished 2-0 hardly a comprehensive defeat. I maybe wrong on that I haven't checked.😁 It finished 3-0. He started Tymon at left back and had to hook him at half time. Lambert was a disaster but he at least had some sort of record to speak of. Eddie hadn't been a manager beyond a couple of equally dodgy caretaker spells elsewhere and had been part of a failing management set up with Hughes. Yeah poor form with the Tymon shit, totally agree and yes no management record. At the end of day I knew as soon as Lambert was announced where we were heading and with Eddie there was at least a bit of mystery in the air if they'd stuck with him.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 15, 2021 9:13:22 GMT
It finished 3-0. He started Tymon at left back and had to hook him at half time. Lambert was a disaster but he at least had some sort of record to speak of. Eddie hadn't been a manager beyond a couple of equally dodgy caretaker spells elsewhere and had been part of a failing management set up with Hughes. Yeah poor form with the Tymon shit, totally agree and yes no management record. At the end of day I knew as soon as Lambert was announced where we were heading and with Eddie there was at least a bit of mystery in the air if they'd stuck with him. I think if we'd appointed Eddie there would've been a meltdown on here and rightly so!
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Post by potterpaul on Feb 15, 2021 9:19:58 GMT
Yeah poor form with the Tymon shit, totally agree and yes no management record. At the end of day I knew as soon as Lambert was announced where we were heading and with Eddie there was at least a bit of mystery in the air if they'd stuck with him. I think if we'd appointed Eddie there would've been a meltdown on here and rightly so! No doubt it would and I probably would have joined in the chorus of condemnation but in the end if it was a straight choice between Lambert and Eddie for the caretaker job, which technically Lambert was, I would reluctantly side with Eddie.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 15, 2021 9:35:50 GMT
I think if we'd appointed Eddie there would've been a meltdown on here and rightly so! No doubt it would and I probably would have joined in the chorus of condemnation but in the end if it was a straight choice between Lambert and Eddie for the caretaker job, which technically Lambert was, I would reluctantly side with Eddie. It's the same logic people use when calling for Afobe to come back isn't it, the bloke who isn't around is always a better bet than the one who is...
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Post by potterpaul on Feb 15, 2021 9:45:40 GMT
No doubt it would and I probably would have joined in the chorus of condemnation but in the end if it was a straight choice between Lambert and Eddie for the caretaker job, which technically Lambert was, I would reluctantly side with Eddie. It's the same logic people use when calling for Afobe to come back isn't it, the bloke who isn't around is always a better bet than the one who is... He could have been our Darren Moore
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Post by Ex-term-oat-cake on Feb 15, 2021 10:03:21 GMT
If MON has the guts to drop Allen he’ll get even more credit t in the bank from me.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2021 10:29:41 GMT
Yeah poor form with the Tymon shit, totally agree and yes no management record. At the end of day I knew as soon as Lambert was announced where we were heading and with Eddie there was at least a bit of mystery in the air if they'd stuck with him. I think if we'd appointed Eddie there would've been a meltdown on here and rightly so! It would've been a horrible appointment. Not to mention that he didn't want it or apply for it...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2021 11:51:07 GMT
He didn't get the chance to do better in his next game. Why did he deserve it? He was a placeholder in a crisis, nothing on his CV screamed 'I deserve a chance to be a Premier League manager'. I don't think Big Ed wanted the job, so this is a purely academical discussion. But in football when you're assistant manaager you are sometimes placed in charge of the team; you don't apply for the job. That's when you start at point zero. What you did under the previous manager doesn't count against you as the incumbent, He was in charge of the Manure game, but even as he put the team out, his replacement had already been found in Lambert, and so Niedzwicki was on his way after that one game. In view of Lambert's results, you have to wonder if the Welshman would have done better, had the board backed him. He could hardly have done worse. BUt as I say he didn't want to be manager and has as far as I know not applied for that position in his career afterwards.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 15, 2021 11:54:49 GMT
Why did he deserve it? He was a placeholder in a crisis, nothing on his CV screamed 'I deserve a chance to be a Premier League manager'. I don't think Big Ed wanted the job, so this is a purely academical discussion. But in football when you're assistant manaager you are sometimes placed in charge of the team; you don't apply for the job. That's when you start at point zero. What you did under the previous manager doesn't count against you as the incumbent, He was in charge of the Manure game, but even as he put the team out, his replacement had already been found in Lambert, and so Niedzwicki was on his way after that one game. In view of Lambert's results, you have to wonder if the Welshman would have done better, had the board backed him. He could hardly have done worse. BUt as I say he didn't want to be manager and has as far as I know not applied for that position in his career afterwards. All true, but I don't see how any of that is unfair? He didn't want the job, he wasn't qualified for the job, and his one game in the job resulted in ignominious failure with at least one utterly bizarre and potentially damaging call?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2021 11:59:21 GMT
I don't think Big Ed wanted the job, so this is a purely academical discussion. But in football when you're assistant manaager you are sometimes placed in charge of the team; you don't apply for the job. That's when you start at point zero. What you did under the previous manager doesn't count against you as the incumbent, He was in charge of the Manure game, but even as he put the team out, his replacement had already been found in Lambert, and so Niedzwicki was on his way after that one game. In view of Lambert's results, you have to wonder if the Welshman would have done better, had the board backed him. He could hardly have done worse. BUt as I say he didn't want to be manager and has as far as I know not applied for that position in his career afterwards. All true, but I don't see how any of that is unfair? He didn't want the job, he wasn't qualified for the job, and his one game in the job resulted in ignominious failure with at least one utterly bizarre and potentially damaging call? Losing at Old Trafford isn't failure. There wouldn't be many bosses left if that was the criteria.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 15, 2021 12:01:07 GMT
All true, but I don't see how any of that is unfair? He didn't want the job, he wasn't qualified for the job, and his one game in the job resulted in ignominious failure with at least one utterly bizarre and potentially damaging call? Losing at Old Trafford isn't failure. There wouldn't be many bosses left if that was the criteria. Getting hammered 3-0 and allowing a young left back to get such a roasting you feel inclined to remove him at half time is though.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2021 14:18:09 GMT
Losing at Old Trafford isn't failure. There wouldn't be many bosses left if that was the criteria. Getting hammered 3-0 and allowing a young left back to get such a roasting you feel inclined to remove him at half time is though. It is not. Just in your famous book of failure.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 15, 2021 14:23:34 GMT
Getting hammered 3-0 and allowing a young left back to get such a roasting you feel inclined to remove him at half time is though. It is not. Just in your famous book of failure. Having actually watched the performance on the night, I can tell you it wasn't a success by any measure. Again, just to summarise: 1) He didn't want the job 2) He had zero record of success as a manager in the past 3) He had a 0% win record as Stoke manager And you're saying he's an example of a Stoke manager who was sacked unfairly? I think we can bow out here.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2021 14:30:38 GMT
It is not. Just in your famous book of failure. Having actually watched the performance on the night, I can tell you it wasn't a success by any measure. Again, just to summarise: 1) He didn't want the job 2) He had zero record of success as a manager in the past 3) He had a 0% win record as Stoke manager And you're saying he's an example of a Stoke manager who was sacked unfairly? I think we can bow out here. Yes this was always going to be non-eventual, although twisting the facts doesn't help. Btw I watched the match too.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 15, 2021 14:37:34 GMT
Having actually watched the performance on the night, I can tell you it wasn't a success by any measure. Again, just to summarise: 1) He didn't want the job 2) He had zero record of success as a manager in the past 3) He had a 0% win record as Stoke manager And you're saying he's an example of a Stoke manager who was sacked unfairly? I think we can bow out here. Yes this was always going to be non-eventual, although twisting the facts doesn't help. Btw I watched the match too. I've twisted nothing, and you haven't explained how it was unfair.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2021 17:55:35 GMT
Yes this was always going to be non-eventual, although twisting the facts doesn't help. Btw I watched the match too. I've twisted nothing, and you haven't explained how it was unfair. Actually you did, and actually I did.
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