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Post by thehartshillbadger on Feb 13, 2021 17:44:42 GMT
Looking forward to the next instalment 1 win in 16, say it again 1 win in 16. Terrific👍🏻
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Post by malteser68 on Feb 13, 2021 17:45:46 GMT
Not calling for his head myself. Although that’s not to say I’m not fuming with recent performances. If fans were allowed in, I fear he’d be gone by next week. Replace with a foreign manager. 4 of the top 5 teams in the division have foreign managers and its no coincidence. MON is a football dinosaur
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Post by boskampsflaps on Feb 13, 2021 17:46:30 GMT
That doesn't mean he gets a free pass with regards to poor systems, poor subs, poor team selections, he still has to be gettting something right, I don't think he'd be getting the flack he is if it was just down to players performances. This ...he is here to make the best of a bad job Scholes Cartwright NJ and co have completed shafted him before he even started .Our wage bill , net transfer spending , any financial measure you can think of ,is worse than every club in the championship by a mile . He is between a rock and a hard place He doesn't escape all criticism ...my personal gripe is I don't really see our forwards sprinting off their man , every time we win the ball . They should, because whether they arc a run along the line ( to be avoid being offside ) or have the luxury of running straight at the goal , our midfielders need that movement to make a pass . If our forwards are static it's hard for a midfielder to pick a pass , and forwards don't come more static than Sam vokes People on this board can speculate ... would you have Frank lampard ? Etc ...but seriously , why would anyone want to come to a club with a wage bill out of all proportion to the talent in the squad and zero room for manoeuvre in the transfer market Lunatic behaviour from scholes , Cartwright NJ and co explains most of our situation .If we can do better than MoN , then great , but if I was a talented young manager , I wouldn't touch Stoke city with a barge pole . We need experience to steady the ship, someone that knows what they're doing, our recent flirting with these inexperienced managers clearly hasn't worked, who it could be I don't have a clue and thankfully its not my job.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2021 17:51:33 GMT
They are not though. Job is to build towards 2022/23 when we have money to spend. MON has spent £3 million and shipped out 17 players permanently or on loan. He is here to sort out the mess over several years. do you still think he will be here when we fall into bottom 3. No He probably won't be here by the time we are in the bottom 3 .Tony scholes will put on a straight face and claim the situation is MoN's fault and so he has had to act to save the club . When he is actually saving his own ass . Bob monkhouse was asked once ...what's the secret to stand up comedy , hosting a game show etc ? ...He said SINCERETY , you have to come across sincere and be sincere , if you can fake that ,you have got it made ! Scholes knows this , when the moment comes , he will be full of fake sincerety , and MON, like all those before him , will be on his bike .
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 13, 2021 18:02:41 GMT
do you still think he will be here when we fall into bottom 3. No He probably won't be here by the time we are in the bottom 3 .Tony scholes will put on a straight face and claim the situation is MoN's fault and so he has had to act to save the club . When he is actually saving his own ass . Bob monkhouse was asked once ...what's the secret to stand up comedy , hosting a game show etc ? ...He said SINCERETY , you have to come across sincere and be sincere , if you can fake that ,you have got it made ! Scholes knows this , when the moment comes , he will be full of fake sincerety , and MON, like all those before him , will be on his bike . Name me a Stoke manager who was wrongly sacked in the recent past.
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Post by dirtygary69 on Feb 13, 2021 18:07:25 GMT
You have to say, some of the players are currently also letting down massively at the minute. There is no way some of them should be offering him so little. Clucas and Allen being the main culprits, but he seems to want to keep selecting them.
He has a quick turnaround to make amends on Tuesday and I expect he will ring the changes. He has to.
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Post by Admin on Feb 13, 2021 18:09:50 GMT
It's a discussion forum, they don't have to agree. I don't believe it was against TOS in any way, therefore should not be removed. It's a valid discussion as to how we move forward. This isn't it is it? 0 wins in 11, 1 in 15. 100% pal, I've noticed it quite a bit, certain posters get banned for things yet friends of the mods can i sult people personally and nothing done. Threads removed that they don't agree with. It resembles a dictatorship Why hasn't Maxdecarlo's thread been deleted then?
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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 13, 2021 18:10:20 GMT
He probably won't be here by the time we are in the bottom 3 .Tony scholes will put on a straight face and claim the situation is MoN's fault and so he has had to act to save the club . When he is actually saving his own ass . Bob monkhouse was asked once ...what's the secret to stand up comedy , hosting a game show etc ? ...He said SINCERETY , you have to come across sincere and be sincere , if you can fake that ,you have got it made ! Scholes knows this , when the moment comes , he will be full of fake sincerety , and MON, like all those before him , will be on his bike . Name me a Stoke manager who was wrongly sacked in the recent past. Gary Megson
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2021 18:12:50 GMT
You have to say, some of the players are currently also letting down massively at the minute. There is no way some of them should be offering him so little. Clucas and Allen being the main culprits, but he seems to want to keep selecting them. He has a quick turnaround to make amends on Tuesday and I expect he will ring the changes. He has to. "He seems to want to keep selecting them". By now you should have known ONeill is a stubborn fella, he only plays his favorite players.
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Post by robwahlmann on Feb 14, 2021 2:42:57 GMT
We certainly need a win and that soon, but we can't keep playing Allen and Clucas at the same time! Why do MON pick Chester over Batth as he is twice the player Chester is? How many games without a win now? Way too many I'd say!
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Post by potterpaul on Feb 14, 2021 6:45:23 GMT
We’ve looked a far less capable, less coherent side since Cousins was dropped. It also doesn't help the dressing room harmony when players get dropped for no apparent reason. Especially for others who are on 2,3,4 and in some cases 5 times the wages and they are not required to justify their selections.
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Post by heworksardtho on Feb 14, 2021 7:01:26 GMT
He probably won't be here by the time we are in the bottom 3 .Tony scholes will put on a straight face and claim the situation is MoN's fault and so he has had to act to save the club . When he is actually saving his own ass . Bob monkhouse was asked once ...what's the secret to stand up comedy , hosting a game show etc ? ...He said SINCERETY , you have to come across sincere and be sincere , if you can fake that ,you have got it made ! Scholes knows this , when the moment comes , he will be full of fake sincerety , and MON, like all those before him , will be on his bike . Name me a Stoke manager who was wrongly sacked in the recent past. Chris Kamara 😉
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Post by citynickscfc on Feb 14, 2021 8:35:11 GMT
No one has aluded to him pissing players off with his antics, and im quite surprised.
Davies -id be well and truly pissed off by Gunn's (lack of) presence and he's the guest name on the team sheet.
Batth- must be thinking I kind of saved the club last year yet even now the manager won't play me 2 games in a row.
Cousins- as others have put, dropped for no reason and only gets 10 mins after the headless chicken and someone who used to play in the premier League have had their walkies.
Collins- potential or not, "I'm not a right back". I know so many players who have been frustrated by being played out of position when they are much better than the guy whose taking their place
Clarke- what the fuck. I mean, he makes the only scoring chance that Norwich didn't make for us, Fletcher's a good 2 seconds off the pace yet he gets hooked at ht and put under the bus at the final whistle?
Matondo - who cares
Gregory- out on loan but must be dreading coming back
Verlinden -not ours anymore but a pattern is emerging
Vokes - manager doesn't seem to be able to motivate anyone really
Clucas- doesn't look motivated
Fox- after he's dropped soon for another loanee how do you expect him to react? Was shut yesterday tho.
It's not looking good is it? MON needed to be a motivator, not a fake one line NJ but an actually intelligent and mindful manager, yet he seems to just pick names and favourites and just piss everyone else off rather than making them more hungry. A fervent manager gets the best out of what he has, MON at present is getting nothing out of this lot... I honestly can't see them playing for him
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Post by wagsastokie on Feb 14, 2021 8:35:55 GMT
You have to say, some of the players are currently also letting down massively at the minute. There is no way some of them should be offering him so little. Clucas and Allen being the main culprits, but he seems to want to keep selecting them. He has a quick turnaround to make amends on Tuesday and I expect he will ring the changes. He has to. It will be interesting to see which changes are made in his post match interview he said some players had played badly and changes will be made I wonder if his idea of having played badly matches most fans
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Post by citynickscfc on Feb 14, 2021 9:05:45 GMT
You have to say, some of the players are currently also letting down massively at the minute. There is no way some of them should be offering him so little. Clucas and Allen being the main culprits, but he seems to want to keep selecting them. He has a quick turnaround to make amends on Tuesday and I expect he will ring the changes. He has to. It will be interesting to see which changes are made in his post match interview he said some players had played badly and changes will be made I wonder if his idea of having played badly matches most fans I don't expect him to drop his favourites. Clarke will be out for who??? I'd play Verlinden, oh wait 🤦. So matondo in? He was crap too. Can't drop fletcher, can't drop the entire midfield, can't drop Chester. The only changes are the ones he will HAVE to make, unless he's going full NJ and just mixing and matching again which is exactly what we don't need. I mean how wrong can you get things? Why doesn't he take ANY personal responsibility? Players well and truly under the bus and that bus is falling off the cliff... Again
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Post by nathanlw on Feb 14, 2021 9:08:10 GMT
100% pal, I've noticed it quite a bit, certain posters get banned for things yet friends of the mods can i sult people personally and nothing done. Threads removed that they don't agree with. It resembles a dictatorship Why hasn't Maxdecarlo's thread been deleted then? I had a quite legitimate “MON must go”post deleted yesterday. It was my opinion which didn’t throw any insults, swear words or other obscenities yet it was met with personal insult from a delightful user call “Dursoisacunt”. Why isn’t that user deleted with a name like that?? Why was the thread removed and not just his post which wasn’t appreciated by other posters either?? . When I questioned it that post was removed as well! Things are very very inconsistent with The rules on this forum.
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Post by wagsastokie on Feb 14, 2021 9:15:09 GMT
It will be interesting to see which changes are made in his post match interview he said some players had played badly and changes will be made I wonder if his idea of having played badly matches most fans I don't expect him to drop his favourites. Clarke will be out for who??? I'd play Verlinden, oh wait 🤦. So matondo in? He was crap too. Can't drop fletcher, can't drop the entire midfield, can't drop Chester. The only changes are the ones he will HAVE to make, unless he's going full NJ and just mixing and matching again which is exactly what we don't need. I mean how wrong can you get things? Why doesn't he take ANY personal responsibility? Players well and truly under the bus and that bus is falling off the cliff... Again On yesterday’s performance Allen clucas fox and because of injury Collins should definitely be changed A lot will depend if he goes three at the back soutter Batth and Chester Or he plays smith soutter Chester mcclean in a four
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Post by chiswickpotter on Feb 14, 2021 9:34:31 GMT
They are not though. Job is to build towards 2022/23 when we have money to spend. MON has spent £3 million and shipped out 17 players permanently or on loan. He is here to sort out the mess over several years. That doesn't mean he gets a free pass with regards to poor systems, poor subs, poor team selections, he still has to be gettting something right, I don't think he'd be getting the flack he is if it was just down to players performances. I agree, my point was purely the next two games are not massive in the eyes of the Board. They will want to see a pick up before the end of the season for sure but this is a long-term project clearing out the dross and building a young team. I thought our players were better than I now know they are. Of our non-loanees, only Davies/Bursik, Collins, Souttar, Powell, Campbell would start in a promotion chasing team. I think MON may have overperformed on results in his first year and is now slightly underperforming but overall has done better than recent managers with this squad. As you say, his selections and tactics have become conservative and puzzling (especially with Clarke yesterday) just at the time we needed to gamble for points. The big question for me is on recruitment. He has 12 signings, the loans are Gunn, RND, Matando, Clarke, frees are Fox, Chester, Mikel and Fletcher and fees for Brown, Thompson, TOB and Doughty. It’s a mixed bag. I don’t have a problem with paying small amounts of money for young players on lowish wages in the hope a couple might break through and 3 of the loans are fine. I saw the logic position ally in all 3 of the veteran signings but Mikel and Fletcher are physically limited and that limits us. We could have used their wages better. I think we should stick with him because he has done better than his predecessors and starting again won’t be easy for any manager, especially as they won’t haves my more money
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Post by march4 on Feb 14, 2021 10:19:36 GMT
This is a scarily similar situation to the way we fell away in the second half of TP’s final season.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2021 10:27:17 GMT
This is a scarily similar situation to the way we fell away in the second half of TP’s final season. So I take it you are standing by O'Neil all the way then, like you did and still do to the day where Tony is concerned?
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Post by jeycov on Feb 14, 2021 10:30:26 GMT
This is a scarily similar situation to the way we fell away in the second half of TP’s final season. And we survived in the Premiership Changed the manager, changed our style and made progress Funding was available to improve and attract some quality players I think we will achieve a top half finish and look to push on from there Sustainable changes take time FFP may be having a much bigger impact than most people realise ( even MOM?)
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Post by hardcastle on Feb 14, 2021 12:27:48 GMT
How many weeks ago were Brighton fans having a similar debate about Graham Potter (or, before that, Southampton fans about their manager)?
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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 14, 2021 13:03:16 GMT
How many weeks ago were Brighton fans having a similar debate about Graham Potter (or, before that, Southampton fans about their manager)? Wolves fans will certainly be having the same debate with the money they've spent and their recent results/performances..... EDIT Bastards must have seen this they've gone and scored two and turned it round at Southampton.....
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Post by stokie1947 on Feb 14, 2021 13:20:58 GMT
our mistake was not going for Potter when we could have got him
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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 14, 2021 13:27:56 GMT
our mistake was not going for Potter when we could have got him Would our fans have the patience for Potter, 25% win ratio and 2 home wins in 14 months? (I'm a fan of Potter by the way)
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Post by Davef on Feb 14, 2021 14:00:56 GMT
A few other stats that may be of interest:
Norwich - 4 goals in their last five games. 33 games since they scored more than two goals in a home game.
Watford - 3 goals and 1 win in their last five away games.
Bournemouth - 2 goals and 1 win in their last six away games.
Huddersfield - 4 defeats in their last five home games.
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Post by ColonelMustard on Feb 14, 2021 14:12:46 GMT
Fan unity was so dull. Pick your side and dig your trench.
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Post by stokie1947 on Feb 14, 2021 15:05:46 GMT
first season in Premiership over 25% win ratio is not too bad over 40% with Swansea in the Championship not to be sniffed at
although in all honesty MON record is pretty good overall despite this diabolical run we are on at the moment
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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 14, 2021 15:07:44 GMT
first season in Premiership over 25% win ratio is not too bad over 40% with Swansea in the Championship not to be sniffed at although in all honesty MON record is pretty good overall despite this diabolical run we are on at the moment It’s his second season not first....
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2021 15:16:10 GMT
Not calling for his head myself. Although that’s not to say I’m not fuming with recent performances. If fans were allowed in, I fear he’d be gone by next week. Replace with a foreign manager. 4 of the top 5 teams in the division have foreign managers and its no coincidence. MON is a football dinosaur In football terms, where Northern Ireland is not part of England, O'Neill is a foreign manager...
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