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Post by jjinks5 on Feb 6, 2021 0:25:26 GMT
I'm just watching this documentary. I can remember it all. Watching it though I just think about the amount of British players they had. Why has the game gone so different. What we'd do for a jon Aldridge or a peter beardsley or Ian rush. Yes I know at the time these were the best but all British. Surely we've not got that shit as a nation. What would they be worth now.
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Post by Gods on Feb 6, 2021 0:29:10 GMT
Dalglish.
I think it's like most things, Britain still has the big marketing brands and commercial savvy but at the very top level it has largely outsourced the dirty business of actually playing the game to more able practitioners from overseas.
To the examles there are a few exceptions, Harry Kane is surely better than John Aldridge and has the record to prove it.
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Post by JoeinOz on Feb 6, 2021 5:57:10 GMT
We don't know they were the best.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 6, 2021 8:50:56 GMT
Dalglish. I think it's like most things, Britain still has the big brands but it has largely outsourced the dirty business of actually playing the game to practitioners from overseas. Liverpool being slow to adopt the policy of signing overseas players was a big reason why they got left behind in the 90s. It took Houllier coming in as a modernising force and clearing out the Boot Room and its ways to get them winning trophies and looking like a force in Europe again. |
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Post by silsdenstokie on Feb 6, 2021 9:23:19 GMT
Dalglish. I think it's like most things, Britain still has the big brands but it has largely outsourced the dirty business of actually playing the game to practitioners from overseas. Liverpool being slow to adopt the policy of signing overseas players was a big reason why they got left behind in the 90s. It took Houllier coming in as a modernising force and clearing out the Boot Room and its ways to get them winning trophies and looking like a force in Europe again. Yeah, they signed a lot of very average British players in the early 90s such as David Speedie, Jimmy Carter etc. Strange really because their one big oversees signing in the 80s, Jan Molby, was class Would have liked to have seen that 87/88 team have a crack at the European cup. They were a cut above |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 6, 2021 9:36:52 GMT
Liverpool being slow to adopt the policy of signing overseas players was a big reason why they got left behind in the 90s. It took Houllier coming in as a modernising force and clearing out the Boot Room and its ways to get them winning trophies and looking like a force in Europe again. Yeah, they signed a lot of very average British players in the early 90s such as David Speedie, Jimmy Carter etc. Strange really because their one big oversees signing in the 80s, Jan Molby, was class Would have liked to have seen that 87/88 team have a crack at the European cup. They were a cut above Yeah, the Everton team of the time could’ve gone far as well. |
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Post by bridgnorthstokie on Feb 6, 2021 9:51:34 GMT
I think its a great shame when a manager like jurgen klopp comes put and says after signing a defender from Preston that Preston are not a club they look at in normal circumstances..
Despite all the money prem teams have and scouts all over the world its sad they seem to be overlooking teams in the lower leagues who im sure have players who could do a job in the Premier. Not all overseas players are world stars and I'm sure players in the efl could be equally as good as many overseas players in the prem.
For every aguero in the prem there are also joelintons.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 6, 2021 9:58:22 GMT
I think its a great shame when a manager like jurgen klopp comes put and says after signing a defender from Preston that Preston are not a club they look at in normal circumstances.. Despite all the money prem teams have and scouts all over the world its sad they seem to be overlooking teams in the lower leagues who im sure have players who could do a job in the Premier. Not all overseas players are world stars and I'm sure players in the efl could be equally as good as many overseas players in the prem. For every aguero in the prem there are also joelintons. I think it still happens a fair bit, with younger players and development prospects for the top clubs and then some of the older Championship stars the further down the Prem you go. |
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Post by march4 on Feb 6, 2021 10:15:54 GMT
When we were promoted, who would have thought that Mama Sidibe would play a part in the Prem. Yet he did, remaining an integral component of our team shape.
There are plenty of good players about. They just need a chance. SJW is another example.
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Post by followyoudown on Feb 6, 2021 10:51:15 GMT
Dalglish. I think it's like most things, Britain still has the big brands but it has largely outsourced the dirty business of actually playing the game to practitioners from overseas. Liverpool being slow to adopt the policy of signing overseas players was a big reason why they got left behind in the 90s. It took Houllier coming in as a modernising force and clearing out the Boot Room and its ways to get them winning trophies and looking like a force in Europe again. That was part of it along with the premier league cash and new owners who came in meant they no longer had the pick of the best of british players. They did probably lose out in the 80s too if the european cup had been played like the champions greed / 4th place runners up league them and Forest would no doubt have had a few more european cups. |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 6, 2021 10:55:13 GMT
Liverpool being slow to adopt the policy of signing overseas players was a big reason why they got left behind in the 90s. It took Houllier coming in as a modernising force and clearing out the Boot Room and its ways to get them winning trophies and looking like a force in Europe again. That was part of it along with the premier league cash and new owners who came in meant they no longer had the pick of the best of british players. They did probably lose out in the 80s too if the european cup had been played like the champions greed / 4th place runners up league them and Forest would no doubt have had a few more european cups. Definitely, previously the pull of playing for Liverpool had been enough to get the best players despite them not paying the top wages. As more money came into the game and Liverpool declined they lost that pull. |
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Post by JoeinOz on Feb 6, 2021 13:17:17 GMT
Liverpool lost their aura when Dalglish resigned. They had been fading a bit but his departure sealed it.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 6, 2021 13:22:33 GMT
Liverpool lost their aura when Dalglish resigned. They had been fading a bit but his departure sealed it. I hadn’t realised that Souness had tried to modernise them when he went there, changing the diet and ending the drinking culture, but too many of the squad remembered him as a player, when he’d been a hard drinking bon viveur himself, and rejected it all. Evans’ appointment was a cuddly return to the old ways of the Boot Room at a time when the top clubs were moving in the opposite direction. |
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Post by a on Feb 6, 2021 13:30:35 GMT
I'm just watching this documentary. I can remember it all. Watching it though I just think about the amount of British players they had. Why has the game gone so different. What we'd do for a jon Aldridge or a peter beardsley or Ian rush. Yes I know at the time these were the best but all British. Surely we've not got that shit as a nation. What would they be worth now. God, what an awful xenophobic comment 😉 Has the desire for foreign players has diluted British talent? We do seem to have some brilliant youngsters at the moment. Just watching the Villa game and Sako and Grealish are excellent. |
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Post by JoeinOz on Feb 6, 2021 13:34:26 GMT
Liverpool lost their aura when Dalglish resigned. They had been fading a bit but his departure sealed it. I hadn’t realised that Souness had tried to modernise them when he went there, changing the diet and ending the drinking culture, but too many of the squad remembered him as a player, when he’d been a hard drinking bon viveur himself, and rejected it all. Evans’ appointment was a cuddly return to the old ways of the Boot Room at a time when the top clubs were moving in the opposite direction. Souness says a lot of the changes he tried to introduce are standard practices these days. Particularly in regard to alcohol and diet. He did say he tried to change it all immediately and that was a mistake. Evans just didn't carry the authority required. Stan Collymore said he saw everyone mucking about in training and Robbie Fowler had Evans in a headlock. But the first thing that came to his mind was there's no way anyone at Old Trafford would even think about considering headlocking Ferguson. One of the spice boys woke up one day with a hangover. He rang the club to ask what the fine was for missing training. The cheeky twat got a motorcycle courier to deliver the cheque to Evans at the training ground. They also took it in turns parking in Evans parking spot. Liverpool had the reputation for not sacking managers so, unable to acknowledge the past was over, they got Houllier in to work with him. It changed very little. Knowing Houllier would tell them bollox, when they wanted a day off for a photoshoot in london they just asked Evens who allowed them to. |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 6, 2021 13:38:02 GMT
I hadn’t realised that Souness had tried to modernise them when he went there, changing the diet and ending the drinking culture, but too many of the squad remembered him as a player, when he’d been a hard drinking bon viveur himself, and rejected it all. Evans’ appointment was a cuddly return to the old ways of the Boot Room at a time when the top clubs were moving in the opposite direction. Souness says a lot of the changes he tried to introduce are standard practices these days. Particularly in regard to alcohol and diet. He did say he tried to change it all immediately and that was a mistake. Evans just didn't carry the authority required. Stan Collymore said he saw everyone mucking about in training and Robbie Fowler had Evans in a headlock. But the first thing that came to his mind was there's no way anyone at Old Trafford would even think about considering headlocking Ferguson. One of the spice boys woke up one day with a hangover. He rang the club to ask what the fine was for missing training. The cheeky twat got a motorcycle courier to deliver the cheque to Evans at the training ground. They also took it in turns parking in Evans parking spot. Liverpool had the reputation for not sacking managers so, unable to acknowledge the past was over, they got Houllier in to work with him. It changed very little. Knowing Houllier would tell them bollox, when they wanted a day off for a photoshoot in london they just asked Evens who allowed them to. Yeah, the likes of Ruddock were allowed to walk around the training ground with a bacon sandwich. Liverpool relied on what had worked in the past, they didn’t even have a kit man until about 1998. Their training was based around five a sixes where other clubs worked on shape and tactics and had conditioning coaches, nutritionists, sports psychologists etc. |
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Post by nott1 on Feb 6, 2021 13:58:00 GMT
In my younger days Scotland had some of the best players in the world, Jim Baxter and Denis Law for instance and now they are mostly crap....I blame the ipad generation, fat lazy little blighters all!
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Post by JoeinOz on Feb 7, 2021 3:09:14 GMT
Souness says a lot of the changes he tried to introduce are standard practices these days. Particularly in regard to alcohol and diet. He did say he tried to change it all immediately and that was a mistake. Evans just didn't carry the authority required. Stan Collymore said he saw everyone mucking about in training and Robbie Fowler had Evans in a headlock. But the first thing that came to his mind was there's no way anyone at Old Trafford would even think about considering headlocking Ferguson. One of the spice boys woke up one day with a hangover. He rang the club to ask what the fine was for missing training. The cheeky twat got a motorcycle courier to deliver the cheque to Evans at the training ground. They also took it in turns parking in Evans parking spot. Liverpool had the reputation for not sacking managers so, unable to acknowledge the past was over, they got Houllier in to work with him. It changed very little. Knowing Houllier would tell them bollox, when they wanted a day off for a photoshoot in london they just asked Evens who allowed them to. Yeah, the likes of Ruddock were allowed to walk around the training ground with a bacon sandwich. Liverpool relied on what had worked in the past, they didn’t even have a kit man until about 1998. Their training was based around five a sixes where other clubs worked on shape and tactics and had conditioning coaches, nutritionists, sports psychologists etc. Ruddock left as soon as Houllier arrived. I dunno who instigated the departure but it's still symbolic. |
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Post by PotterLog on Feb 7, 2021 4:49:04 GMT
Souness says a lot of the changes he tried to introduce are standard practices these days. Particularly in regard to alcohol and diet. He did say he tried to change it all immediately and that was a mistake. Evans just didn't carry the authority required. Stan Collymore said he saw everyone mucking about in training and Robbie Fowler had Evans in a headlock. But the first thing that came to his mind was there's no way anyone at Old Trafford would even think about considering headlocking Ferguson. One of the spice boys woke up one day with a hangover. He rang the club to ask what the fine was for missing training. The cheeky twat got a motorcycle courier to deliver the cheque to Evans at the training ground. They also took it in turns parking in Evans parking spot. Liverpool had the reputation for not sacking managers so, unable to acknowledge the past was over, they got Houllier in to work with him. It changed very little. Knowing Houllier would tell them bollox, when they wanted a day off for a photoshoot in london they just asked Evens who allowed them to. Yeah, the likes of Ruddock were allowed to walk around the training ground with a bacon sandwich. Liverpool relied on what had worked in the past, they didn’t even have a kit man until about 1998. Their training was based around five a sixes where other clubs worked on shape and tactics and had conditioning coaches, nutritionists, sports psychologists etc. Fuckin hell even Stoke had Nello about six years earlier than that |
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Post by J-Roar on Feb 7, 2021 8:08:21 GMT
Liverpool being slow to adopt the policy of signing overseas players was a big reason why they got left behind in the 90s. It took Houllier coming in as a modernising force and clearing out the Boot Room and its ways to get them winning trophies and looking like a force in Europe again. Yeah, they signed a lot of very average British players in the early 90s such as David Speedie, Jimmy Carter etc. Strange really because their one big oversees signing in the 80s, Jan Molby, was class Would have liked to have seen that 87/88 team have a crack at the European cup. They were a cut above Can't think of many bigger overseas signings. |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 7, 2021 8:34:48 GMT
Yeah, the likes of Ruddock were allowed to walk around the training ground with a bacon sandwich. Liverpool relied on what had worked in the past, they didn’t even have a kit man until about 1998. Their training was based around five a sixes where other clubs worked on shape and tactics and had conditioning coaches, nutritionists, sports psychologists etc. Ruddock left as soon as Houllier arrived. I dunno who instigated the departure but it's still symbolic. Ruddock claims he lasted approximately one hour of the Houllier era after he was caught doing an Inspector Clouseau impression. |
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Post by salopstick on Feb 7, 2021 8:50:58 GMT
I think its a great shame when a manager like jurgen klopp comes put and says after signing a defender from Preston that Preston are not a club they look at in normal circumstances.. Despite all the money prem teams have and scouts all over the world its sad they seem to be overlooking teams in the lower leagues who im sure have players who could do a job in the Premier. Not all overseas players are world stars and I'm sure players in the efl could be equally as good as many overseas players in the prem. For every aguero in the prem there are also joelintons. Bosman ruined it. I still maintain that the premier league has never bought many truly world class superstar foreign players in their prime. What they have done is bought very good players who then went on to be so called world class. Which should not be confused with transfer prices When Liverpool bought rush they scouted him bought him put him in the reserves nurtured him and reaped the benefits. Clubs won’t do that nowadays. A decent u21 player won’t get his chance because you can buy a half decent foreigner straight away for immediate results. This does not help the lower leagues as they have lost an income stream |
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Post by JoeinOz on Feb 7, 2021 9:32:36 GMT
Ruddock left as soon as Houllier arrived. I dunno who instigated the departure but it's still symbolic. Ruddock claims he lasted approximately one hour of the Houllier era after he was caught doing an Inspector Clouseau impression. Oh yeah because he's French isn't he. How utterly hilarious.🙄 |
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Post by claymore on Feb 7, 2021 10:28:11 GMT
I'm just watching this documentary. I can remember it all. Watching it though I just think about the amount of British players they had. Why has the game gone so different. What we'd do for a jon Aldridge or a peter beardsley or Ian rush. Yes I know at the time these were the best but all British. Surely we've not got that shit as a nation. What would they be worth now. Where was the documentary please mate ? I would like to see that. |
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