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Post by countofmontecristo on Feb 12, 2021 11:01:50 GMT
He focused on the UK because that's where his readership lived and he thought resources would be better spent on protecting those at most risk (Gays' Drug Users etc) ? That’s fine. He just shouldn’t have tried to act like it was a ‘myth’ and state it wasn’t a thing when it clearly was. That’s irresponsible. Given the figures he quotes I can see the justification for using the term (although it does seem unnecessarily hyperbolic). Perhaps he would pick a word other than 'myth' if he had his time again. Over a 40 odd year career of expressing opinion in the public eye there's bound to be the odd controversy isn't there? I know more about him now than I did yesterday (the power of the Oatcake ) and he still seems (IMO) a very good choice to oversee an independant News channel. Its going to be interesting to see how things actually pan out.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 12, 2021 11:17:24 GMT
That’s fine. He just shouldn’t have tried to act like it was a ‘myth’ and state it wasn’t a thing when it clearly was. That’s irresponsible. Given the figures he quotes I can see the justification for using the term (although it does seem unnecessarily hyperbolic). Perhaps he would pick a word other than 'myth' if he had his time again. Over a 40 odd year career of expressing opinion in the public eye there's bound to be the odd controversy isn't there? I know more about him now than I did yesterday (the power of the Oatcake ) and he still seems (IMO) a very good choice to oversee an independant News channel. Its going to be interesting to see how things actually pan out. It’s not just the word myth to be fair, he actively downplays heterosexual transmission as a thing itself despite using what I suspect is a carefully selected and misleading sample. Fair enough, over a long career there are bound to be controversies as you say, there’s a few things around him that are dodgy though and his own hypocrisies around freedom of speech and ‘balance’ are pretty funny. I’ll be absolutely astonished if this occupies any kind of neutral or middle ground. It’s a naked attempt to create a British version of Fox News.
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Post by countofmontecristo on Feb 12, 2021 11:25:25 GMT
Given the figures he quotes I can see the justification for using the term (although it does seem unnecessarily hyperbolic). Perhaps he would pick a word other than 'myth' if he had his time again. Over a 40 odd year career of expressing opinion in the public eye there's bound to be the odd controversy isn't there? I know more about him now than I did yesterday (the power of the Oatcake ) and he still seems (IMO) a very good choice to oversee an independant News channel. Its going to be interesting to see how things actually pan out. It’s not just the word myth to be fair, he actively downplays heterosexual transmission as a thing itself despite using what I suspect is a carefully selected and misleading sample. Fair enough, over a long career there are bound to be controversies as you say, there’s a few things around him that are dodgy though and his own hypocrisies around freedom of speech and ‘balance’ are pretty funny. I’ll be absolutely astonished if this occupies any kind of neutral or middle ground. It’s a naked attempt to create a British version of Fox News. I don't think there's a market or appetite for a Fox News type channel over here (although Fox News in the US allows a far greater range of opinions than the Left wing outlets over there) . Its the centre ground abandoned by the BBC that needs filling and I hope that's what they're aiming at.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Feb 16, 2021 6:59:32 GMT
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Post by cobhamstokey on Feb 16, 2021 10:22:44 GMT
It’s a very fine line but every one should have a voice providing it doesn’t break into blatant abuse, racism or homophobia. For me at the moment we as a country have gone too far. If you aren’t allowed to explain an opinion or discuss it you’re never going to be able to resolve it. Debate is healthy as long as it’s constructive even if you don’t agree with it. So this is very welcome.
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Post by felonious on Feb 19, 2021 7:10:00 GMT
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Post by cobhamstokey on Feb 19, 2021 8:55:51 GMT
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Post by sheikhmomo on Feb 19, 2021 9:03:01 GMT
What is it, more right wing conservatives telling us they won't be silent or cancelled from their comfortable platforms in the media?
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Post by cobhamstokey on Feb 19, 2021 9:24:56 GMT
What is it, more right wing conservatives telling us they won't be silent or cancelled from their comfortable platforms in the media? I guess it depends on your viewpoint. I like to read these articles with an open mind and make my mind up after I’ve read them. As with most pieces bits I agree with others I don’t.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Feb 19, 2021 9:28:02 GMT
What is it, more right wing conservatives telling us they won't be silent or cancelled from their comfortable platforms in the media? I guess it depends on your viewpoint. I like to read these articles with an open mind and make my mind up after I’ve read it. As with most pieces bits I agree with others I don’t. You mean like normal, rational people? It’ll never catch on, not with some folk anyway.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Feb 19, 2021 9:44:10 GMT
I guess it depends on your viewpoint. I like to read these articles with an open mind and make my mind up after I’ve read it. As with most pieces bits I agree with others I don’t. You mean like normal, rational people? It’ll never catch on, not with some folk anyway. I look forward to Nick Ferrari telling me how the right wont be cancelled and continuing his 'war on woke' on his 6 figure contract on a new 'independent' news channel backed by hedge funds and run by a hard right Brexiteer who lives in France
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 19, 2021 9:51:09 GMT
GB News hiring Tom Posh But Dim from Guido screams 'impartial middle ground' doesn't it...
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Feb 19, 2021 9:55:26 GMT
You mean like normal, rational people? It’ll never catch on, not with some folk anyway. I look forward to Nick Ferrari telling me how the right wont be cancelled and continuing his 'war on woke' on his 6 figure contract on a new 'independent' news channel backed by hedge funds and run by a hard right Brexiteer who lives in France Well that’s surprised me. It’s going to be great to finally get an impartial news service isn’t it. I sure they’ll be delighted you’re on board👍🏻
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Post by sheikhmomo on Feb 19, 2021 10:01:36 GMT
I look forward to Nick Ferrari telling me how the right wont be cancelled and continuing his 'war on woke' on his 6 figure contract on a new 'independent' news channel backed by hedge funds and run by a hard right Brexiteer who lives in France impartial Indeed, what this country is crying out for is a channel run by multi millionaire establishment media moguls, operated by hedge funds and presented by a range of right wing 'tell it how it is' merchants, telling you they feel your pain before driving home to their palatial houses in securely gated communities!
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Post by Dave the Rave on Feb 19, 2021 14:37:25 GMT
Hang on a minute!!!
Why haven't Zaha and Toney been censored??!!
What on earth are the BBC and Sky doing publishing their views!!
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Post by Dave the Rave on Feb 19, 2021 14:40:42 GMT
Indeed, what this country is crying out for is a channel run by multi millionaire establishment media moguls, operated by hedge funds and presented by a range of right wing 'tell it how it is' merchants, telling you they feel your pain before driving home to their palatial houses in securely gated communities! It's quite masterful how they've managed to get this pirate station up and running in this terrible climate of cancel culture we all keep being told about. A real win for the little people....
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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 19, 2021 14:43:21 GMT
GB News hiring Tom Posh But Dim from Guido screams 'impartial middle ground' doesn't it... Darren Grimes must be gutted, I bet they went toe to toe for the role of GB Court Jester......
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 19, 2021 14:46:37 GMT
GB News hiring Tom Posh But Dim from Guido screams 'impartial middle ground' doesn't it... Darren Grimes must be gutted, I bet they went toe to toe for the role of GB Court Jester...... He was so desperate for a gig he mocked up a picture of Neil as superman and still didn't get it. Talk the talk all you want Daz, but if you didn't go to the right school...
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Feb 20, 2021 12:15:48 GMT
Lyle Taylor has been shadow banned from Insta for questioning BLM, offering an alternative opinion on catastrophic, devastating lockdowns and the US election. When will this madness stop.
What an inspirational guy Lyle Taylor is. Standing up against the masses, the head nodding "yes men" that have become like something out of an Orwell novel.
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Post by thevoid on Feb 20, 2021 12:30:37 GMT
Lyle Taylor has been shadow banned from Insta for questioning BLM, offering an alternative opinion on catastrophic, devastating lockdowns and the US election. When will this madness stop. What an inspirational guy Lyle Taylor is. Standing up against the masses, the head nodding "yes men" that have become like something out of an Orwell novel. There's nothing some people hate more than a black conservative. I've just had a cursory glance on Google for Lyle and one of the first results is a Tweet calling him an Uncle Tom. Says it all.
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Post by thevoid on Feb 20, 2021 13:25:50 GMT
I don't get the furore over this GB news channel- and no, I won't watch it personally. I only watch news on ITV and BBC anyway, and by the time the evening news is on I've probably already read most of the main stories of the day online.
No one's stopping those of a left wing persuasion from setting up their own equivalent- maybe they will now?- but although I wouldn't watch it, I wouldn't want it banned or defunded either. Allowing all opinions to be aired is healthy rather than trying to 'shut down' stuff we disagree with. Plus, just like GB News, it'd probably only draw viewers who would naturally gravitate that way anyway.
It's not like these channels would be submitting subliminal messages during Emmerdale or anything, and they'd be subject to broadcasting standards regs anyway 😄
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Post by cobhamstokey on Feb 20, 2021 13:35:08 GMT
Lyle Taylor has been shadow banned from Insta for questioning BLM, offering an alternative opinion on catastrophic, devastating lockdowns and the US election. When will this madness stop. What an inspirational guy Lyle Taylor is. Standing up against the masses, the head nodding "yes men" that have become like something out of an Orwell novel. He’s got some balls knowing the response he’ll get. Like so many on here he’s simply questioning the BLM movement not the fact than any form of racism is wrong. With his fight against breast cancer he should be a role model not rubbished.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Feb 20, 2021 13:40:16 GMT
Lyle Taylor has been shadow banned from Insta for questioning BLM, offering an alternative opinion on catastrophic, devastating lockdowns and the US election. When will this madness stop. What an inspirational guy Lyle Taylor is. Standing up against the masses, the head nodding "yes men" that have become like something out of an Orwell novel. He’s got some balls knowing the response he’ll get. Like so many on here he’s simply questioning the BLM movement not the fact than any form of racism is wrong. With his fight against breast cancer he should be a role model not rubbished. Agree with everything he says here, and Zaha for that matter. www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.lbc.co.uk/news/footballer-lyle-taylor-says-blm-is-marxist-and-that-he-will-no-longer-take-the-k/
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Post by thevoid on Feb 20, 2021 13:47:27 GMT
Lyle Taylor has been shadow banned from Insta for questioning BLM, offering an alternative opinion on catastrophic, devastating lockdowns and the US election. When will this madness stop. What an inspirational guy Lyle Taylor is. Standing up against the masses, the head nodding "yes men" that have become like something out of an Orwell novel. He’s got some balls knowing the response he’ll get. Like so many on here he’s simply questioning the BLM movement not the fact than any form of racism is wrong. With his fight against breast cancer he should be a role model not rubbished. One has to question the logic of those who would think a black man would be in favour of racism against blacks anyway...
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Feb 20, 2021 13:51:07 GMT
He’s got some balls knowing the response he’ll get. Like so many on here he’s simply questioning the BLM movement not the fact than any form of racism is wrong. With his fight against breast cancer he should be a role model not rubbished. One has to question the logic of those who would think a black man would be in favour of racism against blacks anyway... I’m sure someone will be a long shortly to call Lyle Taylor a right wing bigot.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Feb 20, 2021 13:53:46 GMT
Couldn’t agree more re Zaha not a fan of him as a player but In respect to him saying "We're isolating ourselves, we're trying to say that we're equal but we're isolating ourselves with these things that aren't even working anyway, so that's my stand on it.” He is bang on the money. This is something many on here have been saying and when they have they’re accused of being racist. Ultimately as a black man he has lived the life and has more right than anyone to say how he feels not some post grad who’s never experienced anything he has who’s telling him how he should feel. I think someone said the other day Zaha was giving up because it wasn’t working I’m not quite sure that’s the way I interpret it. For me it’s more a case of him saying that he wants unity not division and that’s what BLM brings as it splits people. Whatever way you look on it he’s got a lot of guts to speak out. If we have more like Zaha and Taylor we might just have a better chance of an equal society.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Feb 20, 2021 13:56:42 GMT
Couldn’t agree more re Zaha not a fan of him as a player but In respect to him saying "We're isolating ourselves, we're trying to say that we're equal but we're isolating ourselves with these things that aren't even working anyway, so that's my stand on it.” This is something many on here have been saying and when they have they’re accused of being racist. Ultimately as a black man he has lived the life and has more right than anyone to say how he feels not some post grad who’s never experienced anything he has who’s telling him how he should feel. I think someone said the other day Zaha was giving up because it wasn’t working I’m not quite sure that’s the way I interpret it for me it’s more a case of him saying that he wants unity not division and that’s what BLM brings as it splits people. Whatever way you look on it he’s got a lot of guts to speak out. If we have more like Zaha and Taylor we might just have a better chance of an equal society. Precisely. Anyone who can’t see how much division this “movement” has caused needs their head looking at. Like you say these black footballers are saying exactly as some of us have and been lambasted for. Let’s see if their opinion is the same on Taylor and Zaha.
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Post by thevoid on Feb 20, 2021 14:02:49 GMT
One has to question the logic of those who would think a black man would be in favour of racism against blacks anyway... I’m sure someone will be a long shortly to call Lyle Taylor a right wing bigot. It's almost as though the far left, for all of their 'black lives matter' tub thumping, find black people who've done well for themselves, and who don't need to be cast in the role of victims, as a bit of a nuisance for not towing the party line, isn't it?
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Post by dutchstokie on Feb 20, 2021 14:58:20 GMT
I’m sure someone will be a long shortly to call Lyle Taylor a right wing bigot. It's almost as though the far left, for all of their 'black lives matter' tub thumping, find black people who've done well for themselves, and who don't need to be cast in the role of victims, as a bit of a nuisance for not towing the party line, isn't it? And to further the isuue, according to some on here if you dont 'take the knee' your branded a racist So on that logic Wilfred Zaha is.... Clearly it just doesnt make any sense and is damaging Its 4 simple words - IT IS A CHOICE THeres been some really enjoyable deabte on this threead with respect shown on both sides which is as it should be
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Post by thevoid on Feb 20, 2021 15:08:36 GMT
It's almost as though the far left, for all of their 'black lives matter' tub thumping, find black people who've done well for themselves, and who don't need to be cast in the role of victims, as a bit of a nuisance for not towing the party line, isn't it? And to further the isuue, according to some on here if you dont 'take the knee' your branded a racist So on that logic Wilfred Zaha is.... Clearly it just doesnt make any sense and is damaging Its 4 simple words - IT IS A CHOICE THeres been some really enjoyable deabte on this threead with respect shown on both sides which is as it should be Zaha is no more a racist than James McClean is a Provo. Perhaps WZ uses his time constructively with regard to tackling racism, rather than kneeling like a puppet?
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