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Post by heworksardtho on Dec 30, 2020 6:54:08 GMT
He’s like a fan whose won a competition to play for Stoke for a season
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2020 7:36:46 GMT
Well after MON's post match interview looks like we are stuck with Vokes "we won't be able to replace Tyrese in this window as it will cost too much money - and loan players of that calibre are few and far between." Vokes is not a TC replacement in any sort of way, although he's a much better and fitter player than some will allow him on here. The manager's right in saying that you can't find a player of that quality for our limited funds. If he were to search anyway he might find the best alternative is playing for Stoke already. Brown just needs to find consistency and greater confidence. And backing from the fanbase. Whether he gets it or not he won't reach Ty's levels, but with his pace he can create some of the same panic in defenders. It's then up to others, such as Powell or Clucas, or even Allen, to reap the benefits of a defence in disarray. Vokes is an alternative to Fletcher and Gregory, both of whom tend to miss a lot or be missing a lot. So if MON has any sense he will look for another option on the loan market.
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Post by milky on Dec 30, 2020 7:53:59 GMT
There isn't even any point slagging him off anymore. He is useless now and probably knows himself. Twice last night a ball is put right on his head and twice it plopped straight to the keeper.He was lucky the linesman spared his blushes first time by wrongly putting the flag up. Now Clucas, Allen and Mikel are back I'd even put Powell up top.Vokes should be nowhere near the squad.
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Post by jeycov on Dec 30, 2020 8:07:41 GMT
To be fair Vokes had very little service from the wings, (not sure if McLean has fully recovered from his bout of the virus?) There were some signs of linking with Allen and Brown before we took the lead The team then seemed to adopt a more negative/ cautious approach He did miss 2 very good chances Not sure if anyone was able to view the recent Peter Crouch programme- he discusses the frustrations of not converting a number of chances for quite a run of games Let’s hope Sam doesn’t read The Oatcake We may not be able to loan a better option- we do have Gregory , we also need other players to step up and take / convert some chances
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2020 9:30:16 GMT
To be fair Vokes had very little service from the wings, (not sure if McLean has fully recovered from his bout of the virus?) There were some signs of linking with Allen and Brown before we took the lead The team then seemed to adopt a more negative/ cautious approach He did miss 2 very good chances Not sure if anyone was able to view the recent Peter Crouch programme- he discusses the frustrations of not converting a number of chances for quite a run of games Let’s hope Sam doesn’t read The Oatcake We may not be able to loan a better option- we do have Gregory , we also need other players to step up and take / convert some chances He had two fantastic crosses straight on his head. The one in injury time absolutely perfect. He had the service he’s just a useless lump
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Dec 30, 2020 9:43:15 GMT
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Post by moon on Dec 30, 2020 9:43:15 GMT
Well after MON's post match interview looks like we are stuck with Vokes "we won't be able to replace Tyrese in this window as it will cost too much money - and loan players of that calibre are few and far between." Vokes is not a TC replacement in any sort of way, although he's a much better and fitter player than some will allow him on here. The manager's right in saying that you can't find a player of that quality for our limited funds. If he were to search anyway he might find the best alternative is playing for Stoke already. Brown just needs to find consistency and greater confidence. And backing from the fanbase. Whether he gets it or not he won't reach Ty's levels, but with his pace he can create some of the same panic in defenders. It's then up to others, such as Powell or Clucas, or even Allen, to reap the benefits of a defence in disarray. Vokes is an alternative to Fletcher and Gregory, both of whom tend to miss a lot or be missing a lot. So if MON has any sense he will look for another option on the loan market. Vokes did okay last night up until the point he got a good delivery and a chance on goal, at which point it all went to shit. I’m sure he’s a good egg, he looked genuinely delighted when we scored and he tries his best, but he’s not putting the ball in the net when he needs to and we absolutely need him to put one of these chances away. 5-3-2 doesn’t help matters, but even if we were to play with proper wingers I wouldn’t put money on Vokes finding form, I’m sure he was once a good player in the air but it seems he is past it. We need to find a new striker in January.
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Post by stokemark on Dec 30, 2020 10:41:06 GMT
He scores that penalty against Cardiff and we get three points
He scores that free header late on last night thats 2 more
We would be second in the league !
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2020 11:13:52 GMT
Vokes is not a TC replacement in any sort of way, although he's a much better and fitter player than some will allow him on here. The manager's right in saying that you can't find a player of that quality for our limited funds. If he were to search anyway he might find the best alternative is playing for Stoke already. Brown just needs to find consistency and greater confidence. And backing from the fanbase. Whether he gets it or not he won't reach Ty's levels, but with his pace he can create some of the same panic in defenders. It's then up to others, such as Powell or Clucas, or even Allen, to reap the benefits of a defence in disarray. Vokes is an alternative to Fletcher and Gregory, both of whom tend to miss a lot or be missing a lot. So if MON has any sense he will look for another option on the loan market. Vokes did okay last night up until the point he got a good delivery and a chance on goal, at which point it all went to shit. I’m sure he’s a good egg, he looked genuinely delighted when we scored and he tries his best, but he’s not putting the ball in the net when he needs to and we absolutely need him to put one of these chances away. 5-3-2 doesn’t help matters, but even if we were to play with proper wingers I wouldn’t put money on Vokes finding form, I’m sure he was once a good player in the air but it seems he is past it. We need to find a new striker in January. Like any striker - like most players really - Vokes needs to play fairly regularly to find his best form. He hasn't really had that since towards the end of last season when he hit some important goals. I'm not a fan of his, but since we've got him, we need to play him to his strengths. Buying a new striker in January...now where have I hear that before? We can't afford those that might be available, and if we're going for someone who really isn't on offer it'll cost us big bucks and while the board have that, FFP won't allow us to spend it. If we do insist on getting just anyone new in, it probably won't be helpful anyway. He'll take time to settle in and once he does the season could be over. Even if Vokes doesn't score much or at all, he's still a useful team player who creates space for others and lays on a fair amount of opportunities for other forwards. He doesn't get much/any credit for it on here and his work isn't rewarded much either by poor finishing such as the one he laid on for Allen yesterday. I hadn't previously seen him drift into midfield/false nine positions before, but yesterday I thought it worked well, perhaps not to good effect, but it's an avenue I'd like us to explore some more, especially since we have such great pace in Brown, who could benefit if Vokes manages to draw a couple of defenders out of position.
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Post by skelman on Dec 30, 2020 11:24:01 GMT
Vokes really is dead wood isn't he! A £7m Jones joke of a signing!
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Dec 30, 2020 11:32:05 GMT
I was thinking is he worse than Keith Scott, he ain't far off.
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Post by kronkie on Dec 30, 2020 11:33:41 GMT
I dont know what the goings on are with the under23s but surly there has to be someone in that squad that is hungry enough to give a go, Vokes is shocking.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 30, 2020 11:36:08 GMT
Vokes did okay last night up until the point he got a good delivery and a chance on goal, at which point it all went to shit. I’m sure he’s a good egg, he looked genuinely delighted when we scored and he tries his best, but he’s not putting the ball in the net when he needs to and we absolutely need him to put one of these chances away. 5-3-2 doesn’t help matters, but even if we were to play with proper wingers I wouldn’t put money on Vokes finding form, I’m sure he was once a good player in the air but it seems he is past it. We need to find a new striker in January. towards the end of last season when he hit some important goals. He scored just one goal after the re-start, against Barnsley. He's scored three league goals in the whole calendar year and four in all competitions. He's scored three in his last 34 games. Comparisons with Keith Scott are not at all fanciful and pound for pound he is actually much worse than lethal.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2020 13:00:27 GMT
towards the end of last season when he hit some important goals. He scored just one goal after the re-start, against Barnsley. He's scored three league goals in the whole calendar year and four in all competitions. He's scored three in his last 34 games. Those are misleading stats. He hasn't played 3000+ mins as you imply. In the vast majority of matches he was a late sub making cameos. Nonetheless it's true that he should score more often.
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Dec 30, 2020 13:03:33 GMT
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Post by greenhoff on Dec 30, 2020 13:03:33 GMT
Hes not been great for us. However I'm sure hed look better in a genuine two up front. He should definitely have buried that late chance. We paid about 8 million too much
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 30, 2020 13:24:06 GMT
He scored just one goal after the re-start, against Barnsley. He's scored three league goals in the whole calendar year and four in all competitions. He's scored three in his last 34 games. Those are misleading stats. He hasn't played 3000+ mins as you imply. In the vast majority of matches he was a late sub making cameos. Nonetheless it's true that he should score more often. The point is he contributed nothing of note last season and is now a complete liability.
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Dec 30, 2020 14:01:49 GMT
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 30, 2020 14:01:49 GMT
I kid you not...I've had a message this morning asking me to do some work with/for Sam Vokes as soon as I return in the New Year.
🤦♂️
Given my views on him I have no option other than to refuse and suggest that someone else may be better suited to deal with his requirements
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Dec 30, 2020 14:22:28 GMT
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Post by logdog on Dec 30, 2020 14:22:28 GMT
Why you little tease, Dave! What is it you actually do? I’m thinking all sorts now... striker coach, sports psychologist, dietician?😉
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Post by Pirate on Dec 30, 2020 14:25:13 GMT
Why you little tease, Dave! What is it you actually do? I’m thinking all sorts now... striker coach, sports psychologist, dietician?😉 Walk in fridge installation expert?
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 30, 2020 14:42:01 GMT
Why you little tease, Dave! What is it you actually do? I’m thinking all sorts now... striker coach, sports psychologist, dietician?😉 Walk in fridge installation expert? Milk float battery expert/ fitter.
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Dec 30, 2020 14:42:19 GMT
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 30, 2020 14:42:19 GMT
Why you little tease, Dave! What is it you actually do? I’m thinking all sorts now... striker coach, sports psychologist, dietician?😉 None of the above
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Dec 30, 2020 14:42:42 GMT
Why you little tease, Dave! What is it you actually do? I’m thinking all sorts now... striker coach, sports psychologist, dietician?😉 Walk in fridge installation expert? Reselling 2nd hand Wardrobes.
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Post by nott1 on Dec 30, 2020 15:39:51 GMT
Walk in fridge installation expert? Reselling 2nd hand Wardrobes. Oh so that's where we purchased Vokes!
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Post by nott1 on Dec 30, 2020 15:41:02 GMT
I kid you not...I've had a message this morning asking me to do some work with/for Sam Vokes as soon as I return in the New Year. 🤦♂️ Given my views on him I have no option other than to refuse and suggest that someone else may be better suited to deal with his requirements Why not go and tell him to leave?
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Post by dastokie on Dec 30, 2020 15:44:17 GMT
Hes lucky hes playing in an empty stadium away and home fans would destroy him lack of confidence or no ability.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 30, 2020 15:44:19 GMT
I kid you not...I've had a message this morning asking me to do some work with/for Sam Vokes as soon as I return in the New Year. 🤦♂️ Given my views on him I have no option other than to refuse and suggest that someone else may be better suited to deal with his requirements Why not go and tell him to leave? We have to remain professional with such things.
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Post by nott1 on Dec 30, 2020 15:48:59 GMT
Why not go and tell him to leave? We have to remain professional with such things.
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Dec 30, 2020 16:04:40 GMT
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Post by fraybentos on Dec 30, 2020 16:04:40 GMT
I can imagine Sam doing some extra training sessions and even staying behind and training to improve after training finishes. Anybody else think he does this?? Or is he first one on the car park?
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Dec 30, 2020 16:09:15 GMT
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Post by thebasfordhedgehog on Dec 30, 2020 16:09:15 GMT
Is not very good.
I thought he was meant to be good with his head?
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Post by mrteddysalad on Dec 30, 2020 16:10:40 GMT
Never thought I’d miss Gregory
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Post by jarhead on Dec 30, 2020 16:13:27 GMT
Those are misleading stats. He hasn't played 3000+ mins as you imply. In the vast majority of matches he was a late sub making cameos. Nonetheless it's true that he should score more often. The point is he contributed nothing of note last season and is now a complete liability. And how many penalty misses aswell the fuckin donkey!
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