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Post by tachyon on Dec 19, 2020 9:53:16 GMT
]What's the average without taking height into the query? It's there a way to see statistically what type of striker (and if we already have him) stoke need to fill Tyrese's boots with the way MON plays? Forwards win just over 40% of aerial duels. As regards similarity of strikers, you can use cluster analysis on key performance indicators to see which players fall into the same group and which sides play in a similar style. TC strikes me as being a relative outlier at the moment
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Sam Vokes
Dec 19, 2020 10:03:01 GMT
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Post by nonameface on Dec 19, 2020 10:03:01 GMT
]What's the average without taking height into the query? It's there a way to see statistically what type of striker (and if we already have him) stoke need to fill Tyrese's boots with the way MON plays? Forwards win just over 40% of aerial duels. As regards similarity of strikers, you can use cluster analysis on key performance indicators to see which players fall into the same group and which sides play in a similar style. TC strikes me as being a relative outlier at the moment If the average forward wins c.40%, it makes you wonder if there is any value in a limited target man who doesn't offer much else, where it's only marginally higher. How does Vokes other stats look like compared to forwards who win similar amounts in the air? Do the stats back up a gut feeling of offering very little compared to similar types of player? What does Keifer Moore look like in comparison?
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Sam Vokes
Dec 19, 2020 10:05:35 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2020 10:05:35 GMT
Forwards win just over 40% of aerial duels. As regards similarity of strikers, you can use cluster analysis on key performance indicators to see which players fall into the same group and which sides play in a similar style. TC strikes me as being a relative outlier at the moment If the average forward wins c.40%, it makes you wonder if there is any value in a limited target man who doesn't offer much else, where it's only marginally higher. How does Vokes other stats look like compared to forwards who win similar amounts in the air? Do the stats back up a gut feeling of offering very little compared to similar types of player? What does Keifer Moore look like in comparison? I'm struggling to think of any other immobile target men in this league bit the prem. No one plays with them anymore do they? I don't think we knew when we signed him that his legs/fitness have totally gone. He can't run faster than jogging pace now
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 19, 2020 10:10:11 GMT
The main stat with Vokes is no league goals in 15 and just 3 in his last 28. Pathetic.
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Sam Vokes
Dec 19, 2020 10:35:18 GMT
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Post by stokeranger on Dec 19, 2020 10:35:18 GMT
The main stat with Vokes is no league goals in 15 and just 3 in his last 28. Pathetic. Who bloody Signed him, because I don’t think it was mad Nathan...
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Sam Vokes
Dec 19, 2020 10:49:20 GMT
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Post by nonameface on Dec 19, 2020 10:49:20 GMT
The main stat with Vokes is no league goals in 15 and just 3 in his last 28. Pathetic. Goals in League starts at Stoke 1 in 9 Brown 8 in 32 Vokes 8 in 33 Afobe 7 in 25 Gregory 4 in 11 Fletcher 16 in 33 Campbell With Afobe away Vokes is 4th choice for one spot, so we shouldn't expect too much based upon his Stoke career to date. That said, it's mental to think Afobe and vokes are c£20m of combined "talent".
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Post by tachyon on Dec 19, 2020 11:55:28 GMT
What does Keifer Moore look like in comparison? In terms of getting on the end of chances Vokes & Moore (3 years younger) are similar. Vokes at Stoke, Moore since he returned to the Championship with Wigan. Attachment DeletedFigures per 90 minutes to avoid calling a 14 minute cameo a "game" ;-)
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Post by AlliG on Dec 19, 2020 13:20:03 GMT
Sam's inability to get his feet off the ground when he jumps is a major drawback.
To win a header in a challenge he now relies on being able to manoeuvre defenders out of the way. This causes him 2 problems when challenging for headers in the penalty area.
Firstly, referees are less forgiving of forwards manoeuvering defenders out of the way in the penalty area. Secondly, he tends to focus too much on the defender and not enough on the ball, which is why so many of the headers he does make either loop into the keepers arms or float gently over the crossbar.
Most of the goals (or decent efforts he has on goal) are with his feet, so the best way to use him would be low and hard rather than high crosses. The problem then of course is that low and hard crosses are much easier for the defenders to block.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Dec 19, 2020 14:01:16 GMT
A cardboard cutout of John Ritchie, would threaten defences more than Vokes would.
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Sam Vokes
Dec 20, 2020 15:24:11 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2020 15:24:11 GMT
Vokes playing days are numbered , but tbf he has 36DD's and an arse with its own postcode ( ST4 8SV) ,so I am sure he can find a career on the internet
Only a matter of time
But perhaps best to look away
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2020 22:10:32 GMT
Totally absolutely finished as a player. Should never be on a pitch for us.
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Post by march4 on Dec 29, 2020 22:11:40 GMT
I’m going to make a snowman and offer it to the club as centre forward.
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Sam Vokes
Dec 29, 2020 22:13:42 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2020 22:13:42 GMT
Makes Keith Scott look like Lionel messi! The bloke should never ever pull the shirt on again! But I said that months ago
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Dec 29, 2020 22:14:31 GMT
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 29, 2020 22:14:31 GMT
Like a finished heavyweight coming back for one last fight he tried his best for a short period. After that he looked like the washed up fraud he is.
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Dec 29, 2020 22:16:45 GMT
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Post by prestwichpotter on Dec 29, 2020 22:16:45 GMT
Our only fit striker. I expect to see someone arrive within the first few days of January.....
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Sam Vokes
Dec 29, 2020 22:19:33 GMT
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Post by ethers26 on Dec 29, 2020 22:19:33 GMT
In light of Costa exiting Atletico today, what impact would releasing Ince and Vokes have on our FFP situation?
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Post by chamberlain on Dec 29, 2020 22:20:10 GMT
Makes Keith Scott look like Lionel messi! The bloke should never ever pull the shirt on again! But I said that months ago Hes in the same bracket as Wimmer, Berahino and Imbula as a total waste of money.
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Dec 29, 2020 22:21:31 GMT
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Post by Beloved Monkfish on Dec 29, 2020 22:21:31 GMT
Makes Keith Scott look like Lionel messi! The bloke should never ever pull the shirt on again! But I said that months ago If he puts any more weight on, he won't be able to!
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Dec 29, 2020 22:21:46 GMT
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Dec 29, 2020 22:21:46 GMT
I’m going to make a snowman and offer it to the club as centre forward. Haven’t you used all your snow to make 15 Pulis snowmen in your garden 😎
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Post by Han Solo on Dec 29, 2020 22:22:27 GMT
There was hope first 20 mins when he looked decent. For the next 70 he was terrible barely touching the ball and jogging around half heartedly. 9m pounds.
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 29, 2020 22:24:40 GMT
Totally absolutely finished as a player. Should never be on a pitch for us. He was finished when we signed him most people knew that, our crack transfer team apparently were not among those oh well another albatross weighing the club down, nothing wrong with the process
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Post by RF10 on Dec 29, 2020 22:25:14 GMT
I could let him off his lack of scoring if he actually contributed anything else other than standing still and missing decent chances. His general movement to hold the ball up and bring other players in the game is pretty much non existent.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2020 22:25:26 GMT
That’s all Vokes!
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Post by maninasuitcase on Dec 29, 2020 22:25:40 GMT
I so want the guy to succeed .. And yet when he puts on the shirt I know he will fail. Shame really that he will be bracketed with the Keith Scott's of Stoke's history.
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Post by spitthedog on Dec 29, 2020 22:25:44 GMT
There was one long ball played up to him on about 85 minutes which was head height and he managed to get his head below it and missed it altogether. He actually jumped as well but before the ball reached him.
It was like watching a tragic clown's last performance.
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Post by mickstupp on Dec 29, 2020 22:27:14 GMT
That chance he missed at the end sums this guy up. A catastrophic signing right from day one. Crap.
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Dec 29, 2020 22:27:42 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2020 22:27:42 GMT
He can't even head the ball into the net now when there's no one on him and it's just put right into his head in front of the goal.
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 29, 2020 22:27:48 GMT
There was hope first 20 mins when he looked decent. For the next 70 he was terrible barely touching the ball and jogging around half heartedly. 9m pounds. Is that his weight Cobs. professional athlete my arse he contributes nothing to the club.
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Post by xchpotter on Dec 29, 2020 22:28:06 GMT
I can just about live with his lack of movement and skill, but for Christ’s sake he’s supposed to be good at at least hitting the net with golden header opportunities of which he had two tonight. Just please, please, please, please, please don’t ever let the useless bag of gas pull on red and white stripes ever again for us.
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Sam Vokes
Dec 29, 2020 22:29:24 GMT
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Post by mickstupp on Dec 29, 2020 22:29:24 GMT
There was hope first 20 mins when he looked decent. For the next 70 he was terrible barely touching the ball and jogging around half heartedly. 9m pounds. Plus a further £7 million in wages.
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