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Post by gingerninja on Dec 13, 2020 12:48:10 GMT
When Fletcher came off and Powell moved central, was that a sign perhaps MON has lost faith in Vokes?.
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Post by ravey123 on Dec 13, 2020 12:50:18 GMT
When Fletcher came off and Powell moved central, was that a sign perhaps MON has lost faith in Vokes?. I hope he's finally seen the light
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Dec 13, 2020 13:02:04 GMT
I bloody hope so.
Powell won a few good flick-ons as the central striker. Vokes wouldnt have been anywhere near the ball.
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Post by gingerninja on Dec 13, 2020 13:07:30 GMT
For a man with his physicality he should be bullying defenders like Moore and Gratzel did for Cardiff. He isn't even good in the air now. I really would have Brown as back up central striker moving forward..
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Post by lordb on Dec 13, 2020 13:25:07 GMT
He was poor at Wycombe, that was his chance to stake a claim The abject penalty miss after coming on merely confirmed it
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Post by marwood on Dec 13, 2020 14:06:54 GMT
At the very least he should be a great big lump of trouble to come on in the last ten minutes, if nothing else to demoralise the opposition, back into defenders, break up play, defend the box at set pieces etc For £9 you would expect no less
To see that this isnt even an option for MON, speaks volumes
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Post by Gary Hackett on Dec 13, 2020 14:07:00 GMT
I think he has given him his last chance.
You could see the manager wasn't happy with him on the touchline the last couple of games he played.
Let's hope we can try and get him shifted in January to some other poor fuckers.
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Post by werrington on Dec 13, 2020 14:11:28 GMT
Along with Ince he isn’t a poor player he’s just shot and need a fresh challenge
Wonder if Barnsley will do business with both for that Woodrow lad 😊
I’d love him at Stoke
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Post by mickstupp on Dec 13, 2020 14:12:18 GMT
I think he has given him his last chance. You could see the manager wasn't happy with him on the touchline the last couple of games he played. Let's hope we can try and get him shifted in January to some other poor fuckers. Let’s be honest, we literally couldn’t give him away. We won’t be able to make progress until summer 2022 when Vokes and the other high earners are out of contract and gone.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Dec 13, 2020 14:19:28 GMT
I think he has given him his last chance. You could see the manager wasn't happy with him on the touchline the last couple of games he played. Let's hope we can try and get him shifted in January to some other poor fuckers. Let’s be honest, we literally couldn’t give him away. We won’t be able to make progress until summer 2022 when Vokes and the other high earners are out of contract and gone. Another 18 months is extremely depressing. I wonder if IKEA would be interested in him.
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Post by mickstupp on Dec 13, 2020 14:23:19 GMT
Let’s be honest, we literally couldn’t give him away. We won’t be able to make progress until summer 2022 when Vokes and the other high earners are out of contract and gone. Another 18 months is extremely depressing. I wonder if IKEA would be interested in him. I’m sure he could be swayed with those nice breakfasts and meatball lunches that they do.
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 13, 2020 14:25:50 GMT
I think he has given him his last chance. You could see the manager wasn't happy with him on the touchline the last couple of games he played. Let's hope we can try and get him shifted in January to some other poor fuckers. We could perhaps loan him out to Halifax ! another terrible signing for extortionate money on high wages and a long contract another product of our fabled process.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Dec 13, 2020 14:28:23 GMT
I think he has given him his last chance. You could see the manager wasn't happy with him on the touchline the last couple of games he played. Let's hope we can try and get him shifted in January to some other poor fuckers. We could perhaps loan him out to Halifax ! another terrible signing for extortionate money on high wages and a long contract another product of our fabled process. I think even Halifax wouldn't want him, maybe the Halifax selling insurance would be more suitable.
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Post by WorkingclassHero on Dec 13, 2020 14:29:54 GMT
I think he has given him his last chance. You could see the manager wasn't happy with him on the touchline the last couple of games he played. Let's hope we can try and get him shifted in January to some other poor fuckers. We could perhaps loan him out to Halifax ! another terrible signing for extortionate money on high wages and a long contract another product of our fabled process. We used to joke about our process Is he Old Slow Looking for a last payday Then he is probably on our radar. Signing 29/30 year olds on top money is retarded. It always has been, yet we pursue this route time and time again
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 13, 2020 14:32:24 GMT
We could perhaps loan him out to Halifax ! another terrible signing for extortionate money on high wages and a long contract another product of our fabled process. We used to joke about our process Is he Old Slow Looking for a last payday Then he is probably on our radar. Signing 29/30 year olds on top money is retarded. It always has been, yet we pursue this route time and time again Whatever Coates says the process is a joke the punch line is the man who sorts these contracts is still in a job
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Post by mickstupp on Dec 13, 2020 14:39:53 GMT
The financial package to sign him was mental in the first place. Don’t forget the fee is not the full story. It’s a further £7m plus in wages that we will pay out as well during his time here.
What’s actually even more mental is to pay out that kind of cash on a striker and then not use him properly. It doesn’t take a great deal of analysis to figure out that for Vokes to even be mildly successful and useful he needs to be played alongside a quick mobile forward in a 442 with wingers supplying lots of crosses.
We do neither of those things, and then wonder why he’s been as useful as a chocolate fireguard. Leave him up front by himself with little support and no supply from out wide then he’s borderline redundant. Not only that, his total lack of pace instantly puts us under pressure due to opposition defenders instantly moving up 15 yards because they don’t fear him getting in behind them chasing long balls.
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Post by Trouserdog on Dec 13, 2020 14:43:23 GMT
Up there with the worst signings we've ever made.
Hopefully we've seen the last of him now, even though we'll no doubt be stuck with him on the books for another 18 months.
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Post by spitthedog on Dec 13, 2020 14:48:15 GMT
The financial package to sign him was mental in the first place. Don’t forget the fee is not the full story. It’s a further £7m plus in wages that we will pay out as well during his time here. What’s actually even more mental is to pay out that kind of cash on a striker and then not use him properly. It doesn’t take a great deal of analysis to figure out that for Vokes to even be mildly successful and useful he needs to be played alongside a quick mobile forward in a 442 with wingers supplying lots of crosses. We do neither of those things, and then wonder why he’s been as useful as a chocolate fireguard. Leave him up front by himself with little support and no supply from out wide then he’s borderline redundant. Not only that, his total lack of pace instantly puts us under pressure because the opposition instantly move up 15 yards because they don’t fear him getting in behind them chasing long balls. I know, this is remarkable tbh All very good points. I don't think I ever seen him in a 442 at Stoke, the only position he has had any success in. Its crazy, it really is. V Cardiff, they moved 20 yards up the pitch as soon as he came on!! Powell was excellent in that role yesterday, especially considering he looked knackered when he was moved there.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Dec 13, 2020 14:49:28 GMT
The financial package to sign him was mental in the first place. Don’t forget the fee is not the full story. It’s a further £7m plus in wages that we will pay out as well during his time here. What’s actually even more mental is to pay out that kind of cash on a striker and then not use him properly. It doesn’t take a great deal of analysis to figure out that for Vokes to even be mildly successful and useful he needs to be played alongside a quick mobile forward in a 442 with wingers supplying lots of crosses. We do neither of those things, and then wonder why he’s been as useful as a chocolate fireguard. Leave him up front by himself with little support and no supply from out wide then he’s borderline redundant. Not only that, his total lack of pace instantly puts us under pressure because the opposition instantly move up 15 yards because they don’t fear him getting in behind them chasing long balls. His signing alone discredits the process , Jones had barely arrived so he won’t have been scouting a £8m centr forward for Luton , as the chief executive said we watch players 25 times before committing so either that’s horse shit or people in positions of trust watched thus bloke and didn’t spot the very valid points you make about him as player . We then compound the felony when the chief executive agrees a long term contract more suited to a premier league squad player . Whoever run# the process is accountable for this signing and the £15m it’s chucked down the drain .indeed other players have been signed without a manager see Bauer and Etebo so I’d guess that’s Another £15m net of loan fees .
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Post by mickstupp on Dec 13, 2020 14:53:21 GMT
The financial package to sign him was mental in the first place. Don’t forget the fee is not the full story. It’s a further £7m plus in wages that we will pay out as well during his time here. What’s actually even more mental is to pay out that kind of cash on a striker and then not use him properly. It doesn’t take a great deal of analysis to figure out that for Vokes to even be mildly successful and useful he needs to be played alongside a quick mobile forward in a 442 with wingers supplying lots of crosses. We do neither of those things, and then wonder why he’s been as useful as a chocolate fireguard. Leave him up front by himself with little support and no supply from out wide then he’s borderline redundant. Not only that, his total lack of pace instantly puts us under pressure because the opposition instantly move up 15 yards because they don’t fear him getting in behind them chasing long balls. His signing alone discredits the process , Jones had barely arrived so he won’t have been scouting a £8m centr forward for Luton , as the chief executive said we watch players 25 times before committing so either that’s horse shit or people in positions of trust watched thus bloke and didn’t spot the very valid points you make about him as player . We then compound the felony when the chief executive agrees a long term contract more suited to a premier league squad player . Whoever run# the process is accountable for this signing and the £15m it’s chucked down the drain .indeed other players have been signed without a manager see Bauer and Etebo so I’d guess that’s Another £15m net of loan fees . We wouldn’t bring in a new manager and go over his head with a £7 million signing. In one of his first interviews, Jones clearly stated that he felt we needed a “target man” up front. Out of the options presented to him, it was Jones that chose Vokes.
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Post by mickstupp on Dec 13, 2020 14:54:59 GMT
Up there with the worst signings we've ever made. Hopefully we've seen the last of him now, even though we'll no doubt be stuck with him on the books for another 18 months. With the injury situation at the moment I’m not so sure we have.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Dec 13, 2020 14:58:08 GMT
His signing alone discredits the process , Jones had barely arrived so he won’t have been scouting a £8m centr forward for Luton , as the chief executive said we watch players 25 times before committing so either that’s horse shit or people in positions of trust watched thus bloke and didn’t spot the very valid points you make about him as player . We then compound the felony when the chief executive agrees a long term contract more suited to a premier league squad player . Whoever run# the process is accountable for this signing and the £15m it’s chucked down the drain .indeed other players have been signed without a manager see Bauer and Etebo so I’d guess that’s Another £15m net of loan fees . We wouldn’t bring in a new manager and go over his head with a £7 million signing. In one of his first interviews, Jones clearly stated that he felt we needed a “target man” up front. Out of the options presented to him, it was Jones that chose Vokes. Exactly what sort of process puts bikes up as an option having watched him 25 times
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Post by mickstupp on Dec 13, 2020 14:59:07 GMT
We wouldn’t bring in a new manager and go over his head with a £7 million signing. In one of his first interviews, Jones clearly stated that he felt we needed a “target man” up front. Out of the options presented to him, it was Jones that chose Vokes. Exactly what sort of process puts bikes up as an option having watched him 25 times Managers pick. He then simply didn’t use him properly.
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Post by clarkeda on Dec 13, 2020 15:25:32 GMT
His signing alone discredits the process , Jones had barely arrived so he won’t have been scouting a £8m centr forward for Luton , as the chief executive said we watch players 25 times before committing so either that’s horse shit or people in positions of trust watched thus bloke and didn’t spot the very valid points you make about him as player . We then compound the felony when the chief executive agrees a long term contract more suited to a premier league squad player . Whoever run# the process is accountable for this signing and the £15m it’s chucked down the drain .indeed other players have been signed without a manager see Bauer and Etebo so I’d guess that’s Another £15m net of loan fees . We wouldn’t bring in a new manager and go over his head with a £7 million signing. In one of his first interviews, Jones clearly stated that he felt we needed a “target man” up front. Out of the options presented to him, it was Jones that chose Vokes. Reckon we could have picked up Toney for that money at the time?
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Post by mickstupp on Dec 13, 2020 15:28:34 GMT
We wouldn’t bring in a new manager and go over his head with a £7 million signing. In one of his first interviews, Jones clearly stated that he felt we needed a “target man” up front. Out of the options presented to him, it was Jones that chose Vokes. Reckon we could have picked up Toney for that money at the time? Yes. Toney went to Brentford for £5m over the summer I think. Che Adams was one we spoke about and he’s been a revelation at Southampton.
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Post by silsdenstokie on Dec 13, 2020 15:40:07 GMT
On the wages he's on Vokes ain't going anywhere....ditto a few others
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Dec 13, 2020 15:47:17 GMT
Reckon we could have picked up Toney for that money at the time? Yes. Toney went to Brentford for £5m over the summer I think. Che Adams was one we spoke about and he’s been a revelation at Southampton. Exactly it’s a bone idle process when votes is the best pick you’ve just picked two better by any measure without watching either 25 times
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Post by spitthedog on Dec 13, 2020 16:15:41 GMT
We wouldn’t bring in a new manager and go over his head with a £7 million signing. In one of his first interviews, Jones clearly stated that he felt we needed a “target man” up front. Out of the options presented to him, it was Jones that chose Vokes. Exactly what sort of process puts bikes up as an option having watched him 25 times If there were other options out in front of Jones then we don't know what they were??? That's a frightening thought!
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Post by mickstupp on Dec 13, 2020 16:33:30 GMT
Yes. Toney went to Brentford for £5m over the summer I think. Che Adams was one we spoke about and he’s been a revelation at Southampton. Exactly it’s a bone idle process when votes is the best pick you’ve just picked two better by any measure without watching either 25 times We don’t know if either player would have wanted to come to us though. For all we know we could have been after both of them.
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 13, 2020 16:43:39 GMT
His signing alone discredits the process , Jones had barely arrived so he won’t have been scouting a £8m centr forward for Luton , as the chief executive said we watch players 25 times before committing so either that’s horse shit or people in positions of trust watched thus bloke and didn’t spot the very valid points you make about him as player . We then compound the felony when the chief executive agrees a long term contract more suited to a premier league squad player . Whoever run# the process is accountable for this signing and the £15m it’s chucked down the drain .indeed other players have been signed without a manager see Bauer and Etebo so I’d guess that’s Another £15m net of loan fees . We wouldn’t bring in a new manager and go over his head with a £7 million signing. In one of his first interviews, Jones clearly stated that he felt we needed a “target man” up front. Out of the options presented to him, it was Jones that chose Vokes. If he did pick him he's an even worse manager than I thought, Vokes was never suited to any formation that Jones chose to play, it would be madness to waste that amount of your employers money on a player that you would know does not fit into any plan you had.
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